WEBVTT 00:00:12.966 --> 00:00:16.426 Hello and welcome back to TV Plus Talk. 00:00:16.906 --> 00:00:22.346 I am Charlotte Henry from The Edition. He is Chuck Joyner from Mac Voices. 00:00:23.446 --> 00:00:26.426 How are you? I'm great. It's great to see you as always. 00:00:27.786 --> 00:00:30.686 Yeah, I'm pleased we're here. I'm pleased we're back. We've got some really 00:00:30.686 --> 00:00:32.926 meaty stuff to talk about, actually. 00:00:33.546 --> 00:00:37.246 The truth is we're going to spend most of the show trying to unpack what the 00:00:37.246 --> 00:00:39.386 hell is going on in the morning show. 00:00:43.726 --> 00:00:46.566 Does that mean we'll decide on spoilers as we get there 00:00:46.566 --> 00:00:49.846 yeah we'll get there we'll get there yeah and 00:00:49.846 --> 00:00:52.526 it's probably fair to say that if i don't know that 00:00:52.526 --> 00:00:55.826 we are going to i'm not sure we could do spoilers even if 00:00:55.826 --> 00:00:58.706 we wanted to but in just in case if you 00:00:58.706 --> 00:01:01.586 are concerned about being spoiled then just pause the show 00:01:01.586 --> 00:01:04.466 go watch the the first episodes of the morning show and 00:01:04.466 --> 00:01:07.246 then come back okay so i've watched 00:01:07.246 --> 00:01:10.146 one and two have you watched one two and three or one two three and four 00:01:10.146 --> 00:01:12.946 i actually in prep for this i got through one 00:01:12.946 --> 00:01:16.086 two three and four see you can 00:01:16.086 --> 00:01:18.846 see who the pro is on this team okay so 00:01:18.846 --> 00:01:23.906 i've watched one and two so be what there will be spoilers for one and two episodes 00:01:23.906 --> 00:01:27.686 one and two if you haven't watched the first two episodes press pause on this 00:01:27.686 --> 00:01:34.026 flip over to tv plus watch the first two episodes then come back to us we'll 00:01:34.026 --> 00:01:36.806 behave for three and four just because i haven't seen them, 00:01:37.926 --> 00:01:41.786 But let's start with a discussion, actually. 00:01:41.966 --> 00:01:44.986 And it's kind of interesting that we're talking about the morning show that 00:01:44.986 --> 00:01:48.326 has two, well, multiple really big stars in it. 00:01:49.346 --> 00:01:54.686 And how you found a really interesting article on 9to5Mac, which brought together 00:01:54.686 --> 00:01:58.766 quotes from some of the major stars that have worked with Apple TV. 00:02:00.326 --> 00:02:02.426 There's one that really jumped out to me. 00:02:03.505 --> 00:02:06.485 I want to know, tell me what you think. It's from Seth Rogen, 00:02:06.665 --> 00:02:10.425 who wrote, who was star of the studio and platonic on Apple TV+. 00:02:10.425 --> 00:02:15.525 He said, I was really worried that maybe they, i.e. Apple, would be restrictive. 00:02:15.825 --> 00:02:19.405 And then there's a scene in platonic where we snort cocaine and ketamine off an iPhone. 00:02:19.845 --> 00:02:23.965 They were not as corporate overlordy as maybe I was worried they were going to be. 00:02:24.785 --> 00:02:29.945 Now, I find, no, I find this really fascinating because how many times have 00:02:29.945 --> 00:02:35.385 I pointed to the example of that story from, oh, it must be six or seven years ago now, 00:02:35.945 --> 00:02:39.485 of where there was apparently a note going around one of the shoots from Tim 00:02:39.485 --> 00:02:42.025 Cook saying, does there have to be so much swearing? 00:02:42.485 --> 00:02:45.365 And then we're looking at the example that Seth Rogen gave there. 00:02:45.905 --> 00:02:50.285 I find it really interesting that, you know, I don't know if it's the guys at 00:02:50.285 --> 00:02:55.945 the top of Apple TV+, I don't know who has constructed this, 00:02:56.105 --> 00:02:59.905 but they've got to a place where they are actually letting people be creative 00:02:59.905 --> 00:03:03.965 and not being too appley about it and control freaky about it. 00:03:04.045 --> 00:03:05.205 And I find that really interesting. 00:03:06.945 --> 00:03:13.605 Charlotte, I agree. And it feels like, look, it feels like Apple has grown up a little bit, 00:03:13.805 --> 00:03:20.185 at least for Apple TV+, but also that they have recognized when Tim Cook first 00:03:20.185 --> 00:03:23.645 came out and announced Apple TV+, it was all about the great stories. 00:03:23.685 --> 00:03:25.305 And we'll come back to that eventually. 00:03:25.965 --> 00:03:29.865 But I think there were a lot of aspirational things. 00:03:30.465 --> 00:03:36.145 And in today's world, yes, you can do some of that, but you can't ignore the rest. 00:03:36.465 --> 00:03:41.085 You know, you can't sanitize things completely. What do you mean by that? 00:03:42.505 --> 00:03:48.685 What do I mean? Okay. Well, what I mean is that, you know, I think originally 00:03:48.685 --> 00:03:53.085 the vision that I heard, even though it was not spelled out, 00:03:53.085 --> 00:03:57.105 But the vision I took away was that we're not going to do gratuitous violence. 00:03:57.525 --> 00:04:04.185 We're not going to do gratuitous sex. We're not going to do gratuitous cursing. 00:04:05.323 --> 00:04:10.943 And I took exactly the same all those years ago when I first started reporting on this. 00:04:11.063 --> 00:04:14.263 That was exactly my takeaway. Yeah. And yet. 00:04:15.263 --> 00:04:18.163 Well, and yet, but unfortunately, that's not the world today. 00:04:18.383 --> 00:04:22.983 And so if they had gone down, continued down that path, and I think they're 00:04:22.983 --> 00:04:24.323 still telling great stories. 00:04:24.543 --> 00:04:29.023 And again, we'll get to that. But I think that this is just the world that we 00:04:29.023 --> 00:04:31.603 live in right now, whether you agree with it or don't agree with it. 00:04:31.603 --> 00:04:37.003 If if you are not including some of that content it is not seen as real it's 00:04:37.003 --> 00:04:43.643 seen as g or pg and that turns a lot of people off because they feel like it's not realistic. 00:04:46.303 --> 00:04:52.103 Yeah i agree with that but also you can have some of that stuff but without, 00:04:53.543 --> 00:04:56.203 you know that some of the shows really get at 00:04:56.203 --> 00:04:59.163 some of the fundamentals of apple you know 00:04:59.163 --> 00:05:03.103 we both watched prime target for example and if 00:05:03.103 --> 00:05:07.163 you think about how that show ends i don't 00:05:07.163 --> 00:05:10.103 want to give away too many spoilers but if you 00:05:10.103 --> 00:05:12.923 think of how that show ends that is 00:05:12.923 --> 00:05:15.823 in a way something that apple really could have objected to right 00:05:15.823 --> 00:05:19.883 oh absolutely and yet 00:05:19.883 --> 00:05:22.983 there we are watching those scenes if you 00:05:22.983 --> 00:05:25.883 there's obviously the example that uh 00:05:25.883 --> 00:05:29.583 that Seth Rogen gave which you 00:05:29.583 --> 00:05:32.383 used to I mean I've heard 00:05:32.383 --> 00:05:37.243 stories that Apple never I don't know if it's true or not I've obsessively watched 00:05:37.243 --> 00:05:42.283 out for ever since I heard this and I'm now about to ruin TV for every single 00:05:42.283 --> 00:05:46.883 person that's listening to the show but I always understood it used to be a 00:05:46.883 --> 00:05:51.163 thing that baddies in TV or films were not allowed to have iPhones, 00:05:52.103 --> 00:05:55.203 that Apple really had a thing about a baddie using their equipment. 00:05:57.041 --> 00:06:00.301 And yet again, think of that example that Seth Rogen has given. 00:06:02.081 --> 00:06:05.401 We'll get to the opening episodes of The Morning Show, but think of some of 00:06:05.401 --> 00:06:09.781 the politics that's on display in that, the kind of anti-capitalist kind of 00:06:09.781 --> 00:06:14.001 stuff that's sort of swirling around there. It's really interesting. 00:06:15.961 --> 00:06:19.521 Listen, I agree completely. And as you were talking, I'm thinking about the 00:06:19.521 --> 00:06:23.441 Apple TV shows that I've watched, the ones that I still need to get to. 00:06:23.441 --> 00:06:29.661 But The Gorge, the movie The Gorge was an Apple TV show, or Apple TV movie, 00:06:29.821 --> 00:06:31.521 excuse me, Apple TV Plus movie. 00:06:32.481 --> 00:06:37.961 And, you know, that kind of content, I was, when I first got into it, 00:06:38.241 --> 00:06:41.961 I was quite surprised that that was an Apple TV Plus thing. 00:06:42.181 --> 00:06:45.761 And same thing, I'm not going to do any spoilers because we've talked a little 00:06:45.761 --> 00:06:49.741 bit about The Gorge before and how it combines several things that I usually 00:06:49.741 --> 00:06:54.121 don't find appealing into a package that I just thought was a fantastic film. 00:06:54.581 --> 00:07:02.361 And yet there were components of it that it's like, really? On Apple TV+, but it worked. Yeah. 00:07:03.037 --> 00:07:06.897 Yeah, yeah. And like, again, the opening sequence of the morning show where 00:07:06.897 --> 00:07:08.437 we were like, what on earth is going? 00:07:08.617 --> 00:07:12.757 I mean, I'm talking four or five years ago now that that real first there was 00:07:12.757 --> 00:07:17.537 all sorts of, you know, it was a completely different thing to what we thought it was. 00:07:17.717 --> 00:07:21.877 And it has got more and more like that. And you know what? Fair play. 00:07:22.957 --> 00:07:26.777 Right. Should we do it? Episodes one and two of the morning show. 00:07:28.477 --> 00:07:34.477 Yeah, I've got your take first. Well, this is going to be true even for three 00:07:34.477 --> 00:07:39.857 and four, that there is so much going on that this is one of those shows that 00:07:39.857 --> 00:07:41.477 you have to pay attention to. 00:07:41.717 --> 00:07:45.417 You can't put it on the background. Certainly. You cannot casually watch it 00:07:45.417 --> 00:07:48.437 because there are too many different storylines. 00:07:48.677 --> 00:07:54.257 You're going to not appreciate the storylines if you don't get to know the characters 00:07:54.257 --> 00:07:55.837 and some of their backstories. 00:07:56.457 --> 00:08:00.697 And so I would encourage anyone, if you're interested in the morning show, 00:08:00.877 --> 00:08:04.617 you really need to start with season one because if you don't jump into season 00:08:04.617 --> 00:08:10.177 four, you don't appreciate it. And you'll lose returning characters and all sorts of things. 00:08:10.677 --> 00:08:16.237 Yeah, yeah, exactly and the traumas that have come in the first couple seasons 00:08:16.237 --> 00:08:22.057 and now they're I don't want to say they're coming back but there are reasons 00:08:22.057 --> 00:08:24.297 that the characters now are doing things, yeah. 00:08:25.678 --> 00:08:27.578 Yeah, I agree. 00:08:30.098 --> 00:08:36.458 So episode one, I watched this and I was like, this is actually insane. 00:08:36.678 --> 00:08:38.098 Like what is happening here? 00:08:38.338 --> 00:08:40.878 There's about seven different storylines. 00:08:42.398 --> 00:08:47.998 Exactly. And then I took a step back and I was like, well, to some extent, 00:08:48.058 --> 00:08:51.378 that is kind of like what working in news is like. 00:08:52.398 --> 00:08:56.398 There's not just one thing happening in the world. people in newsrooms particularly 00:08:56.398 --> 00:08:58.438 big newsrooms which is what is meant to be happening, 00:09:00.018 --> 00:09:04.438 are are keeping up with lots of different stories so i kind of forgave that 00:09:04.438 --> 00:09:10.058 and got over that i mean there are stories beyond what's happening in the newsroom 00:09:10.058 --> 00:09:11.318 obviously there's all sorts of off, 00:09:11.778 --> 00:09:16.198 studio off-air storylines going on as well so it is quite a hectic show, 00:09:17.418 --> 00:09:20.578 But some of it I am forgiving, I've decided. 00:09:22.698 --> 00:09:31.058 I was about to get quite irritated during episode two Because I was just like, this is all a bit much, 00:09:32.502 --> 00:09:36.262 And then I thought the ending that brought a lot of it together, 00:09:37.182 --> 00:09:41.902 that cliffhanger at the end of episode two, was really, really good. 00:09:43.022 --> 00:09:44.762 Like it really locked me in. 00:09:46.382 --> 00:09:52.162 Look, I'm glad to hear it because I feel like that's sort of something The Morning Show does well. 00:09:52.342 --> 00:09:58.322 They create storylines, like call them mini storylines, and then sort of wrap them up. 00:09:59.042 --> 00:10:03.862 It's not like – so what ends up happening is it's a very fast-paced show, 00:10:03.882 --> 00:10:07.982 which goes back to my comment before about you have to pay attention or you're 00:10:07.982 --> 00:10:11.022 going to wonder why something never got wrapped up. 00:10:11.602 --> 00:10:17.502 Yeah, it really did get wrapped up, just maybe not at the same pace that we're 00:10:17.502 --> 00:10:18.962 used to seeing a lot of shows do. 00:10:19.242 --> 00:10:24.102 And so I have to say I'm thoroughly enjoying it, even though it's a little confusing 00:10:24.102 --> 00:10:29.902 and even though it is highlighting some really questionable personal choices 00:10:29.902 --> 00:10:32.182 by just about all the characters. 00:10:34.042 --> 00:10:40.462 You're not into sort of having affairs with your boss's husband, and it's not your vibe? 00:10:40.962 --> 00:10:43.102 That seems to be counterproductive, yeah. 00:10:44.022 --> 00:10:47.242 Yeah, it's not good for productivity. No, you're right. 00:10:49.622 --> 00:10:53.522 I don't know where to start. I want to sort of unpack some of the power dynamics, 00:10:53.642 --> 00:10:57.382 but I have to make a confession. And I make this confession as a millennial 00:10:57.382 --> 00:11:00.822 woman. So this is basically blasphemous what I'm about to say. 00:11:02.242 --> 00:11:05.442 I think Jennifer Aniston is the problem in this show. 00:11:07.557 --> 00:11:13.397 Problem as in as in i'm not sure she's that good when she's being serious, 00:11:14.877 --> 00:11:21.557 ah that's interesting because i've i accept i have accepted the character for what she is, 00:11:22.397 --> 00:11:30.737 and i mean she's i think go sorry there's too much like breathy swearing and oh my god and a bit like, 00:11:31.837 --> 00:11:36.877 panic attacking and it's a bit much and i think she might be the problem because 00:11:36.877 --> 00:11:41.037 a lot of the better scenes are the ones when she's not in it so wreath with 00:11:41.037 --> 00:11:44.957 witherspoon when she comes back we don't really see her for episode one do we 00:11:44.957 --> 00:11:49.137 but she comes back in episode two quite significantly, 00:11:50.397 --> 00:11:56.777 and like when she's at the center of the scenes i think that's really good um 00:11:56.777 --> 00:12:01.797 i think some of the running around by jennifer aniston is all a bit much. 00:12:04.597 --> 00:12:07.377 I've charlotte i guess i've known like it 00:12:07.377 --> 00:12:10.577 pains me to say this well but but 00:12:10.577 --> 00:12:14.957 i'm not sure that's her as as opposed to the character because the character 00:12:14.957 --> 00:12:21.817 is a little bit a little bit um a little bit entitled a little bit spoiled um 00:12:21.817 --> 00:12:29.037 also emotionally confused uh or conflicted and so And I've known people like this, 00:12:29.157 --> 00:12:31.277 that that's kind of the way they live their lives, 00:12:31.457 --> 00:12:37.637 that everything seems to be – they don't seem to be able to accept what's happening, 00:12:37.737 --> 00:12:40.177 and so everything turns into a drama. 00:12:42.594 --> 00:12:47.094 So I think you're definitely right that that is what's happening with the character. 00:12:47.354 --> 00:12:51.374 I'm not 100% sure she's pulling it off as she could, but you're certainly right 00:12:51.374 --> 00:12:54.234 that that is something that is going on. 100%. 00:12:55.654 --> 00:13:03.054 Can we talk about how good Greta Leigh is? Sure. As Stella back. She's fantastic. 00:13:03.534 --> 00:13:10.154 She's being absolutely brilliant. And can we talk about Billy Crudup and his 00:13:10.154 --> 00:13:12.054 mighty return from disaster? 00:13:12.594 --> 00:13:14.774 Which is just so clever. 00:13:15.814 --> 00:13:24.154 His character is so intense, so conniving, so self-oriented. So much. 00:13:25.654 --> 00:13:29.014 It's sort of the character you love to hate or hate to love. 00:13:29.014 --> 00:13:32.954 I'm not sure which at any given moment. Yeah, totally. 00:13:34.834 --> 00:13:41.274 I just think the way Greta Lee is sort of the center of the universe, 00:13:41.834 --> 00:13:46.754 along with the Celine character is really, really clever. 00:13:47.874 --> 00:13:52.154 And I think the way, you know, from the affair with the husband to, 00:13:52.394 --> 00:13:56.654 you know, all of that stuff I think is quite clever how she is operating and 00:13:56.654 --> 00:13:58.734 her performance I think is really, really good. 00:14:00.834 --> 00:14:07.714 Just the writing I think on the show has so far for this season is better than 00:14:07.714 --> 00:14:09.274 at least one of the other seasons. 00:14:09.274 --> 00:14:14.954 And maybe it's because of the complexity of the storyline that that i'm appreciating 00:14:14.954 --> 00:14:19.114 it uh you're probably i hadn't thought about it but you're probably right, 00:14:20.934 --> 00:14:25.914 you're probably right about that um so it's going to be interesting now how 00:14:25.914 --> 00:14:30.514 the dynamic between stella and cory plays out because obviously cory in episode 00:14:30.514 --> 00:14:34.454 two is found out about the affair and all of that kind of thing and this is 00:14:34.454 --> 00:14:37.994 what i'm talking about like the way they link everything together. 00:14:38.394 --> 00:14:40.934 You're watching this show and it's utterly chaotic. 00:14:42.014 --> 00:14:46.834 And then two or three things come together that kind of make it fit. 00:14:50.185 --> 00:14:53.505 No, I think I can't use that example because that's farther down the road, 00:14:53.605 --> 00:14:55.965 and I don't want to even take a chance of spoiling it for you. 00:14:56.725 --> 00:14:58.365 But no, I agree. 00:14:59.265 --> 00:15:04.305 I'm thinking back to the pandemic season when it seemed like there – somebody 00:15:04.305 --> 00:15:09.005 said, oh, we have to do a pandemic series or show or season, 00:15:09.025 --> 00:15:13.405 and that sort of dictated the guardrails. 00:15:13.405 --> 00:15:17.945 And then we had the, for lack of a better term, I'll call it the Elon Musk episode 00:15:17.945 --> 00:15:21.805 or season, where, you know, again, there are guardrails in place. 00:15:21.965 --> 00:15:24.245 And some of those, frankly, they went off the rails. 00:15:25.125 --> 00:15:29.505 This feels like it's really back to grounded, back to being what the morning 00:15:29.505 --> 00:15:30.945 show the first season was. 00:15:31.465 --> 00:15:35.985 And, yeah, I'm fighting because there are other things. 00:15:37.045 --> 00:15:39.665 Yeah, there are other things I want to say. It's certainly much more, 00:15:39.885 --> 00:15:44.745 well, we'll come back to the show, but this is certainly based much more around 00:15:44.745 --> 00:15:48.645 the newsroom, which I think does improve the show. 00:15:48.745 --> 00:15:53.465 But we did get within the first like 20 minutes, I think, what did we have? 00:15:53.545 --> 00:16:00.425 We had the Olympics, we had AI, we had, I think there was some kind of, 00:16:00.545 --> 00:16:03.945 oh, we cut to Corrie in LA and some kind of environmental issue. 00:16:03.945 --> 00:16:09.645 Like they're packing a lot in every kind of political touchstone they're throwing 00:16:09.645 --> 00:16:14.425 into the mix which um which does make it quite hard to keep up with but they're 00:16:14.425 --> 00:16:18.165 getting better at tying it all together we haven't talked about the main storyline 00:16:18.165 --> 00:16:19.545 from the first couple of episodes. 00:16:20.905 --> 00:16:30.345 Which is the defection of a china an iranian fencer whose father also happens 00:16:30.345 --> 00:16:36.685 to be a nuclear a scientist and who also is helped by Alex Levy slash Jennifer 00:16:36.685 --> 00:16:40.685 Aniston to make their escape and defection. 00:16:42.927 --> 00:16:46.427 Sure. Let's throw around in there as well. 00:16:48.387 --> 00:16:55.467 Sure. Yeah. But again, that storyline, that's one of many storylines. 00:16:55.887 --> 00:16:59.907 And some of them- It certainly is. Yes. Well, some of them go on longer and 00:16:59.907 --> 00:17:03.787 some of them get resolved maybe almost within one episode. 00:17:04.627 --> 00:17:10.807 But it really keeps you- I'm afraid if I say off balance, that could be off-putting 00:17:10.807 --> 00:17:14.367 to some people. But it just makes you pay attention. 00:17:15.027 --> 00:17:17.587 On your toes. Better phrase, yes. 00:17:18.587 --> 00:17:23.227 And I'm loving it because it's not the same old thing. 00:17:23.307 --> 00:17:28.527 It's a fast-paced, it's complex without being overly complex. 00:17:29.087 --> 00:17:33.687 One other thing I'm really appreciating about it, and it only continues into 00:17:33.687 --> 00:17:37.347 three and four, and I think it's borderline been throughout the series, 00:17:37.527 --> 00:17:41.207 are the politics involved in corporate America. 00:17:41.387 --> 00:17:47.667 And just how ruthless some people can be to get what they want or to try to 00:17:47.667 --> 00:17:48.767 accomplish their vision. 00:17:50.525 --> 00:17:53.465 Totally i mean that's totally right 00:17:53.465 --> 00:17:56.585 um i like the way they bring returning 00:17:56.585 --> 00:17:59.345 characters back so obviously as it goes on i 00:17:59.345 --> 00:18:02.285 think we're gonna have don't say anything uh claire conway 00:18:02.285 --> 00:18:05.805 return who was an assistant earlier on and it looks like she's gonna be the 00:18:05.805 --> 00:18:09.965 source for a major story they didn't just throw weeks with a spoon away they 00:18:09.965 --> 00:18:14.185 obviously brought back bradley jackson and found a premise to do that the same 00:18:14.185 --> 00:18:20.385 uh with charlie black played by mark duplass they find ways to bring these central characters back, 00:18:20.385 --> 00:18:25.965 even if they're not quite part of the team anymore at this new network, UBN. 00:18:26.385 --> 00:18:28.965 So yeah, I do agree with you on all of that. 00:18:30.065 --> 00:18:33.805 And I like the returning characters. Yeah. 00:18:33.985 --> 00:18:40.345 And I mean, to me, that also makes it more believable, because that's sort of 00:18:40.345 --> 00:18:41.705 the way that our lives are. 00:18:41.885 --> 00:18:45.605 You know, people move in and out of our lives, our daily lives, 00:18:45.605 --> 00:18:50.705 or semi-daily wives, and, you know, then they come back in. 00:18:51.065 --> 00:18:57.045 And so, yeah, it makes the relationships potentially a lot more complex and 00:18:57.045 --> 00:18:58.045 therefore more interesting. 00:18:59.965 --> 00:19:04.505 Certainly. I mean, yeah, I'm trying not to tempt fate, but I don't know if we're 00:19:04.505 --> 00:19:10.945 going to see Juliana Margulies' character come back. I believe Jon Hamm returns during the season. 00:19:11.985 --> 00:19:15.665 That's not a particular spoiler to anything. I think that is just what we know happens. 00:19:15.865 --> 00:19:20.605 So it is very interesting how all that kind of – but there's also a core. 00:19:20.785 --> 00:19:24.425 Like that studio team, they've kept a core of that, which I rather like. 00:19:25.505 --> 00:19:31.145 Yes, I agree. I agree. And, again, that's sort of like your daily life, 00:19:31.145 --> 00:19:36.945 and I would speculate that that's the way it is in a newsroom or morning show 00:19:36.945 --> 00:19:39.025 situation where there's a core. 00:19:39.245 --> 00:19:42.565 Yes, sometimes people are going to leave that core, But for the most part, 00:19:42.665 --> 00:19:45.645 they're there, and it creates a little bit of an anchor. 00:19:46.105 --> 00:19:50.745 And yet the tendrils of the craziness and everything still reach into that core. 00:19:52.693 --> 00:19:59.693 There's certainly lots of tendrils and lots of craziness going on now without explaining why, 00:20:01.373 --> 00:20:06.553 do you think this season gets better as it goes on as i say by the time i got 00:20:06.553 --> 00:20:11.573 to the end of season episode two i was like okay this is good now they might 00:20:11.573 --> 00:20:15.393 have got it does it continue to get better, 00:20:16.713 --> 00:20:22.453 I think it either stays at least as good or gets better so far. 00:20:23.093 --> 00:20:27.173 You know, I have not gotten bored with it. I have not. 00:20:27.393 --> 00:20:31.633 It has not jumped the rails like one of the earlier seasons does. 00:20:32.253 --> 00:20:37.633 It feels like everything, no matter how weird, complex, or out of left field 00:20:37.633 --> 00:20:39.633 the developments happen, it's like, 00:20:40.053 --> 00:20:43.913 yeah, that that is fairly realistic especially in 00:20:43.913 --> 00:20:46.893 relation to what the what the characters have already shown themselves to 00:20:46.893 --> 00:20:49.733 be yeah and i 00:20:49.733 --> 00:20:52.453 think it is worth reiterating how if you're on the top of one 00:20:52.453 --> 00:20:58.653 of these big newsrooms life probably can be completely mad and chaotic so it 00:20:58.653 --> 00:21:05.393 doesn't matter that a show is like that like that's okay um i was interested 00:21:05.393 --> 00:21:10.273 by the editorial choice to center at least the beginning of the season around the Olympics. 00:21:11.393 --> 00:21:13.813 I thought that was a really interesting choice. 00:21:15.606 --> 00:21:19.566 Just because it completely surprised me. That's the reality of it. 00:21:19.706 --> 00:21:25.286 I was completely taken aback when that was the sort of way it played out. 00:21:26.086 --> 00:21:31.966 You mean because of the Olympics being the stage or because of what happened 00:21:31.966 --> 00:21:33.466 because of the Olympics? 00:21:35.406 --> 00:21:39.686 Just that they picked the idea that an American TV show where, 00:21:39.886 --> 00:21:42.546 as I understand, the Olympics is not 00:21:42.546 --> 00:21:45.446 quite as big for you as it is for us here in 00:21:45.446 --> 00:21:48.286 the uk and other european countries that that 00:21:48.286 --> 00:21:51.066 was sort of the hook they started with i found it really 00:21:51.066 --> 00:21:55.326 interesting i enjoyed it but i found that a really interesting a kind of creative 00:21:55.326 --> 00:22:02.066 decision it wasn't what i expected at all so i don't want to take us off on 00:22:02.066 --> 00:22:06.146 down you know another path but that's a really interesting statement that it's 00:22:06.146 --> 00:22:10.886 bigger for you as a European than it is for me as an American, 00:22:10.886 --> 00:22:13.026 because the way I see it, 00:22:13.126 --> 00:22:17.226 and this felt like it was true to the morning show, that the Olympics, 00:22:17.566 --> 00:22:19.946 you know, there's a huge hype cycle coming up to it. 00:22:20.146 --> 00:22:26.466 There is then, you know, the Olympics themselves, which has morphed in so many 00:22:26.466 --> 00:22:31.566 ways, because now of so many different options for coverage that you aren't 00:22:31.566 --> 00:22:33.386 just looking at, you know, 00:22:33.466 --> 00:22:37.706 a major network carrying all the Olympic content they can carry. 00:22:38.146 --> 00:22:42.926 Now they, you know, it's delivered. I mean, sports that never saw the light 00:22:42.926 --> 00:22:45.086 of day are now getting major coverage. 00:22:45.526 --> 00:22:50.486 Then there's the post Olympic thing that lasts maybe a week or two, 00:22:50.686 --> 00:22:54.506 depending on how well, at least here, the US performs. 00:22:54.766 --> 00:22:58.126 And I'm looking at this through the news cycle, and then it's gone. 00:22:58.586 --> 00:23:04.186 And then you don't hear about the Olympics until the promo starts for the next 00:23:04.186 --> 00:23:06.086 Olympics, whether it's winter or summer. 00:23:07.466 --> 00:23:11.386 So that sort of resonated with me. It's like, okay, this is really hot now, 00:23:11.406 --> 00:23:15.946 and they had a storyline related to it, and then we're moving on. 00:23:17.299 --> 00:23:21.199 Yeah, I would say the moving on doesn't quite happen in the same way here, 00:23:21.419 --> 00:23:26.579 not least because we put quite a lot of attention into the Paralympics, 00:23:26.659 --> 00:23:27.719 which comes just afterwards. 00:23:28.619 --> 00:23:34.079 I would say, I mean, so if you look at viewing figures for the Olympics in America 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:37.279 versus other major sports things, the Olympics is not as high. 00:23:38.119 --> 00:23:41.999 Peacock this year did really, really well from the Olympics in 2024. 00:23:41.999 --> 00:23:49.159 Sorry and i kind of get the impression ubn is meant to be is it meant to be nbc i sort of feel it is, 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:54.499 well i would agree with that assessment if 00:23:54.499 --> 00:23:59.799 for no other reason than just the the huge drama over matt lauer right about 00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:04.539 the time that the morning show was conceived so well yeah mitch kessler is meant 00:24:04.539 --> 00:24:09.279 to be matt lauer isn't he right and and also the whole discussion over streaming 00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:13.779 and that That storyline earlier in the seasons, 00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:15.499 not this season, but earlier, 00:24:15.719 --> 00:24:19.319 sort of mirrored the whole, you know, NBC Peacock thing. 00:24:20.339 --> 00:24:24.519 Exactly. So that's kind of what I take from it. Yeah, you have to draw parallels. 00:24:24.879 --> 00:24:26.159 It's unavoidable. Yeah. 00:24:27.102 --> 00:24:31.002 All of that I found really interesting. As I say, I was just surprised that 00:24:31.002 --> 00:24:37.742 an American-written, American-focused show picked up as their starting point the 2024 Olympics. 00:24:38.502 --> 00:24:42.402 I like it. I was enjoying it. It's quite clever. It's worked because of the 00:24:42.402 --> 00:24:45.902 various offshoots it's allowed. It just struck me as surprising. 00:24:46.142 --> 00:24:48.522 I thought it was going to be, once again, kind of political. 00:24:49.002 --> 00:24:53.282 Anyway, it was interesting to me. Well, Shoa, do you think that's – we've talked 00:24:53.282 --> 00:24:56.502 about this a little bit before, about sort of the more international flavor 00:24:56.502 --> 00:24:59.182 of a lot of Apple TV Plus shows. 00:24:59.502 --> 00:25:01.802 Slow Horses is set in London. 00:25:02.382 --> 00:25:07.662 London, yeah. And of course, well, there's so many, I'm not going to go through 00:25:07.662 --> 00:25:10.522 them all, but there are other shows that are set. Prime Target in Cambridge. 00:25:10.962 --> 00:25:12.362 Prime Target in Cambridge. 00:25:13.002 --> 00:25:17.462 The Chief of War is set in Polynesia. 00:25:18.442 --> 00:25:23.722 You think about all of that, it feels like that somebody somewhere is, 00:25:23.722 --> 00:25:29.742 maybe not not directing the flow of shows but they're acknowledging that these 00:25:29.742 --> 00:25:35.122 have more of a global a potentially global audience than a lot of the other 00:25:35.122 --> 00:25:36.902 networks or streaming services, 00:25:37.482 --> 00:25:41.802 yeah maybe maybe i just the morning show particularly strikes me as in a very 00:25:41.802 --> 00:25:46.882 american show and as i say i was slightly surprised i was quite surprised i 00:25:46.882 --> 00:25:48.442 can see why they've done it because it, 00:25:49.042 --> 00:25:54.142 allows offshoots for all different kind of things so fair play anyway so that's 00:25:54.142 --> 00:25:57.962 where we are with that i i just want to ask one quick thing because you have 00:25:57.962 --> 00:25:59.682 morning shows in the uk don't you. 00:26:00.717 --> 00:26:04.617 Not, yeah, but it's just not the same. Okay. 00:26:05.557 --> 00:26:09.357 In the same way that we, it's not quite the same because we just literally don't 00:26:09.357 --> 00:26:10.977 have late night TV in the way you do. 00:26:11.217 --> 00:26:17.337 There are breakfast shows across, you know, the BBC, ITV, Sky News. 00:26:17.617 --> 00:26:19.617 Those things absolutely exist. 00:26:20.077 --> 00:26:23.157 I don't think they're quite the 00:26:23.157 --> 00:26:27.417 same as, and have the same cultural significance as they do in America. 00:26:27.617 --> 00:26:31.777 I might be wrong because I don't particularly watch them, but I don't think it's quite the same. 00:26:32.577 --> 00:26:34.577 Okay. Thank you. 00:26:35.477 --> 00:26:44.637 The last thing I wanted to pick up on was the sort of bro-y streamer podcaster 00:26:44.637 --> 00:26:49.457 that we see within UBN or their thing UBN+. 00:26:51.317 --> 00:26:57.037 I mean, I guess they had to throw it in there. It was fairly obvious. 00:26:57.177 --> 00:26:59.517 The character is not a particularly original character. 00:27:00.397 --> 00:27:02.817 But I guess they had to have someone like that in there, right? 00:27:04.237 --> 00:27:09.957 For the world today, it felt perfect. And I sure – It had to, too. 00:27:10.297 --> 00:27:13.177 Yeah, I don't want to beat on any fellow podcasters out there, 00:27:13.237 --> 00:27:17.637 no matter what I think of their content, but there are aspects to that character 00:27:17.637 --> 00:27:21.677 that just feel so true to life for some of the maybe, 00:27:21.917 --> 00:27:27.897 to my way of thinking, less desirable podcasters that are just there to inflame 00:27:27.897 --> 00:27:30.177 and not really to deliver information. 00:27:31.257 --> 00:27:36.917 So, yeah, it almost made me laugh. It made me cringe. 00:27:37.657 --> 00:27:42.797 But you can definitely relate to the – I mean, that's the thing about the morning show. 00:27:43.177 --> 00:27:46.417 Sometimes they're timely, sometimes they're not, but they seem to be trying 00:27:46.417 --> 00:27:49.057 to reflect the culture that's going on around us. 00:27:50.717 --> 00:27:56.217 Yeah. Sometimes I feel that a bit obvious, but maybe I'm wrong and maybe that is what's needed. 00:27:58.331 --> 00:28:02.571 Do you, like, sometimes just a bit like, oh, now you're doing the Bray Podcaster. 00:28:02.571 --> 00:28:05.471 Oh, now you're doing climate change. Okay, now we're doing AI. 00:28:08.111 --> 00:28:12.051 Do you know what I mean? Like, I just sort of feel, oh, tick, tick, tick. 00:28:13.211 --> 00:28:17.431 Yeah, but, I mean, that's okay. As long as they present it in a fashion that 00:28:17.431 --> 00:28:21.731 is entertaining and well done, you know, fine. 00:28:22.291 --> 00:28:25.971 I mean. Oh, look, now we're live streaming because the world's changed. 00:28:25.971 --> 00:28:28.731 Like maybe i'm 00:28:28.731 --> 00:28:31.591 too cynical maybe i spend maybe i spend too much 00:28:31.591 --> 00:28:34.431 time thinking and reading and writing about 00:28:34.431 --> 00:28:37.331 media to not be cynical 00:28:37.331 --> 00:28:39.991 um i don't know 00:28:39.991 --> 00:28:43.131 that you're cynical you might be a little jaded because of 00:28:43.131 --> 00:28:46.291 it because it's all that yeah yeah well 00:28:46.291 --> 00:28:49.291 but it's it's so much of your life and the way you look 00:28:49.291 --> 00:28:52.211 at at things i i'm no better because 00:28:52.211 --> 00:28:55.251 i look at tech through an apple lens and so and 00:28:55.251 --> 00:28:58.471 i fortunately i recognize that and 00:28:58.471 --> 00:29:01.371 i try not to be the apple fan boy any more 00:29:01.371 --> 00:29:04.691 than i feel like i i really need to be and you 00:29:04.691 --> 00:29:07.491 are very much a media reporter and that's the way you see the 00:29:07.491 --> 00:29:12.871 world and so your judgments are going to be a bit more but i think maybe a bit 00:29:12.871 --> 00:29:18.271 harsher but probably a little more accurate than the rest of us maybe i just 00:29:18.271 --> 00:29:23.511 guess i spent you know if i listen to seven podcasts a week about talking about 00:29:23.511 --> 00:29:26.291 the effects of AI on the media and then see it on the media show. 00:29:26.371 --> 00:29:27.431 I'm just like, oh, this is obvious. 00:29:27.591 --> 00:29:33.531 But probably normal people watching it are not feeling that in quite the same way. 00:29:34.351 --> 00:29:37.911 Do you know what we can talk about now to chill out a bit? And I love this. 00:29:38.991 --> 00:29:42.091 Okay. I think I know what's coming. You know what's coming. Yeah, 00:29:42.171 --> 00:29:44.011 you do. We're talking about Peanuts, Chuck. 00:29:45.351 --> 00:29:50.131 Snoopy and Charlie Brown are going to stay on Apple until 2030. 00:29:51.832 --> 00:29:56.092 I'm happy about this. You know I was a fan of Snoopy in space. 00:29:56.332 --> 00:30:00.752 You know I like watching the specials over the holidays because they were never 00:30:00.752 --> 00:30:03.452 really a thing here, and now I get to watch them. 00:30:04.532 --> 00:30:05.692 I'm here for it. 00:30:08.012 --> 00:30:12.832 I absolutely agree with everything you just said. I also think it's a brilliant 00:30:12.832 --> 00:30:16.572 business move on the part of Apple because it guarantees, 00:30:18.232 --> 00:30:21.632 if you really just get down to hold cold hard 00:30:21.632 --> 00:30:24.972 business it guarantees that there are going to be people a 00:30:24.972 --> 00:30:27.952 small segment but they're going to be people that just absolutely hang on to 00:30:27.952 --> 00:30:35.192 apple tv just for peanuts and i i think that's phenomenal and and that is in 00:30:35.192 --> 00:30:41.152 no way dismissing peanuts or dismissing that set of the audience but it's definitely 00:30:41.152 --> 00:30:43.792 a feel-good component to apple tv plus, 00:30:45.472 --> 00:30:49.652 totally they do make the specials uh 00:30:49.652 --> 00:30:52.732 free you don't need a tv plus subscription at certain 00:30:52.732 --> 00:30:55.532 times of the year because there was such a backlash that 00:30:55.532 --> 00:30:58.392 they would just because what were they on they were on pbs or something weren't 00:30:58.392 --> 00:31:04.112 they in the u.s uh cbs i believe so they used to be free to air basically didn't 00:31:04.112 --> 00:31:07.792 they and people got very upset at the idea this would no longer be the case 00:31:07.792 --> 00:31:14.012 so from october the 18th and 19th you can uh stream the halloween special for free. 00:31:14.612 --> 00:31:18.392 November the 15th and 16th, you can stream the Thanksgiving special for free. 00:31:18.532 --> 00:31:23.292 And December 13th, 14th, you can obviously stream the Christmas special for 00:31:23.292 --> 00:31:25.752 free, which I think is lovely. 00:31:26.392 --> 00:31:28.692 I'll be watching them nearer to the appropriate dates. Wait, 00:31:28.832 --> 00:31:29.612 which day is Thanksgiving? 00:31:31.352 --> 00:31:34.112 Oh, shoot. I don't know. Without a calendar in front of me. 00:31:35.052 --> 00:31:40.892 Chuck, you've got to get the turkey in. It's on a Thursday. It's on a Thursday. It's on a Thursday. 00:31:42.212 --> 00:31:47.832 So we will on that given Thursday, I will be enjoying the Thanksgiving special of Snoopy. 00:31:49.132 --> 00:31:52.952 I will at some point in the Christmas period enjoy the Christmas special. 00:31:53.112 --> 00:31:54.732 I did it last year and it was most enjoyable. 00:31:55.292 --> 00:31:59.152 The Halloween one is great fun as well, isn't it? You know, fair play. 00:31:59.152 --> 00:32:02.852 But I guess I need to be a bit, apart from discussing my love for Snoopy and 00:32:02.852 --> 00:32:09.252 Charlie Brown, I should probably pick up on your more serious point about the business sense of it. 00:32:11.152 --> 00:32:16.952 Because you just have to be right. First of all, Apple doesn't sign extensions 00:32:16.952 --> 00:32:22.512 to multi-year deals unless it's making money from it some way. Doesn't happen. 00:32:23.812 --> 00:32:26.672 Secondly therefore people are obviously locked 00:32:26.672 --> 00:32:29.632 in to apple tv plus to some 00:32:29.632 --> 00:32:32.412 extent because they enjoy having access to both 00:32:32.412 --> 00:32:36.172 the classics uh peanuts films and 00:32:36.172 --> 00:32:39.752 the new characters that are developing the interesting thing and we've talked 00:32:39.752 --> 00:32:45.532 about this before but it always bears repeating is that this is basically the 00:32:45.532 --> 00:32:52.692 only non-original ip that is part of apple tv plus and it has just stayed there 00:32:52.692 --> 00:32:55.252 basically from the start. And that's really interesting to me. 00:32:57.512 --> 00:33:01.912 Charlotte, I'm not sure if anyone else had picked up this property, 00:33:01.912 --> 00:33:06.972 if they have the same options to deliver the streaming content online, 00:33:08.342 --> 00:33:13.602 outside of the paid model? And this may be my ignorance because I've never really thought about it. 00:33:13.742 --> 00:33:19.182 But does Netflix or, well, I guess Peacock would be NBC, but does Netflix have 00:33:19.182 --> 00:33:21.962 the option if they had, let's say they had picked it up, to say, 00:33:22.062 --> 00:33:27.762 okay, for two days we're going to make Peanuts or one of the holiday specials free? I don't think so. 00:33:28.822 --> 00:33:33.182 As far as I'm aware, they have never done that. I don't know if that means technically they couldn't. 00:33:34.800 --> 00:33:38.800 I would think it would just be a challenge. But, you know, I wanted to point out. 00:33:39.040 --> 00:33:47.920 For example, sorry, in the sports space, DAZN, DAZN does show quite a lot for 00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:50.020 free, so long as you've just entered your email address. 00:33:50.220 --> 00:33:52.760 So, for example, a lot of the women's football that they have, 00:33:53.560 --> 00:33:57.260 you can watch for free on DAZN. You just have to have an account. 00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:02.840 So other streamers can deliver in that way. I've never known something like 00:34:02.840 --> 00:34:08.320 Netflix I don't know if Prime Video does it I've never known other places to 00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:15.100 do that but that doesn't mean again as I say they couldn't but it's a good question yeah and. 00:34:17.600 --> 00:34:26.340 I guess I just I look at it as such just one more thing to bring in to Apple TV plus to add value for, 00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:32.940 let's just say the entire family You know, because they have kids' shows, they have genre shows, 00:34:33.140 --> 00:34:40.140 they have mystery shows, they have the more sensitive socially conscious shows 00:34:40.140 --> 00:34:42.260 without being gratuitous about it. 00:34:44.460 --> 00:34:52.220 Again, do you really need, you know, 500,000 selections when you have some really 00:34:52.220 --> 00:34:55.820 great quality shows that you want to go through? 00:34:57.160 --> 00:35:00.100 Yeah i mean this is the the adol question we've 00:35:00.100 --> 00:35:03.720 asked it i think every episode of this show um and 00:35:03.720 --> 00:35:08.460 until we ever get viewing figures we won't really know anecdotally i often think 00:35:08.460 --> 00:35:13.160 people don't realize there's lots of stuff on tv plus over the six years or 00:35:13.160 --> 00:35:18.100 whatever it's been around i've not noticed that change we will see uh but yes 00:35:18.100 --> 00:35:20.560 lots of snoopy i guess also just to your business point, 00:35:21.621 --> 00:35:25.561 And part of what they want is you to sit down and watch the specials, 00:35:25.601 --> 00:35:27.321 be like, oh, Snoopy's fun. 00:35:28.461 --> 00:35:32.121 Let's watch Snoopy. Let's buy a TV Plus subscription so we can watch Snoopy 00:35:32.121 --> 00:35:34.721 in space. I guess that's also part of the plan, right? 00:35:35.441 --> 00:35:38.541 I would think so. I mean, it seems very obvious. 00:35:38.901 --> 00:35:43.321 And the other thing, the reason I ask about Netflix's ability to do something 00:35:43.321 --> 00:35:47.941 like that, I love the fact that they aren't making it like it was on broadcast 00:35:47.941 --> 00:35:51.201 TV where, you know, Wednesday night at 8 p.m. 00:35:51.381 --> 00:35:54.061 Eastern, you had to sit down and watch it if you wanted to see it. 00:35:54.561 --> 00:35:58.281 They're not only making it on demand, but they're making it on demand for a 00:35:58.281 --> 00:36:02.821 couple days. so that if you're on a plane traveling to grandma's house, 00:36:03.601 --> 00:36:09.001 you still have the second day to watch it. For free. You can watch it at any point. 00:36:09.661 --> 00:36:13.341 Right, right. Because you can watch it now. Yes, but for free. 00:36:13.641 --> 00:36:17.961 Yeah, that's absolutely right. When I fly over to you for Thanksgiving. 00:36:19.081 --> 00:36:26.621 Because you're going to make me a turkey, I can watch Snoopy for free on the flight to you. Right. 00:36:27.021 --> 00:36:30.641 And again, it's so well thought out. 00:36:30.741 --> 00:36:35.641 It's from a business standpoint as well as just a making our customers happy 00:36:35.641 --> 00:36:40.521 standpoint and protecting themselves from being attacked the way they originally 00:36:40.521 --> 00:36:43.421 were when they acquired the Peanuts IP. 00:36:43.641 --> 00:36:45.801 It was hilarious, but it was actually a thing. 00:36:46.381 --> 00:36:49.541 Yeah. Yeah. People feel strongly about this stuff. 00:36:50.481 --> 00:36:54.081 Well, people feel strongly about Snoopy, and I understand. So yeah, 00:36:54.181 --> 00:36:57.981 if you look in, I'm just looking now, you know, the Peanuts classics are all there. 00:36:58.141 --> 00:37:01.601 Charlie Brown's All-Star, you know, the classic episodes are all there. 00:37:02.441 --> 00:37:06.621 Plus the specials, et cetera, et cetera. Like... 00:37:07.380 --> 00:37:11.060 I don't think we spent much longer on this than I thought we would, 00:37:11.180 --> 00:37:18.660 but I don't think branding yourself as the home of Snoopy is a bad branding move, frankly. 00:37:19.060 --> 00:37:22.600 Like, it's kind of nice. Agreed. Agreed. 00:37:23.060 --> 00:37:27.960 Very, very warm, very approachable, very family oriented. You know, 00:37:28.100 --> 00:37:29.680 in conjunction. You think of Disney Plus. 00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:35.300 Yeah, well, and in conjunction with the whole concept of telling great stories. 00:37:35.940 --> 00:37:39.700 These were stories that were great when they were created. They continue to 00:37:39.700 --> 00:37:45.460 be great into the 21st century, and Apple and the audiences are recognizing that. 00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:51.380 Certainly that, but also, you know, when you think of Disney+, 00:37:51.380 --> 00:37:53.020 the first thing you think of is Mickey Mouse. 00:37:54.140 --> 00:37:57.280 Do you know what I mean? And, like, Apple has sort of got that, 00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:04.580 or could, if it ever marketed TV+, well, could do that with Snoopy and Charlie Brown. 00:38:04.580 --> 00:38:09.400 Anyway it's a nice happy thoughts leave it we should probably go and watch the 00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:13.400 uh halloween special now shouldn't we really that sounds great to me i like 00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:18.400 it i like it love it right where can people keep up with you once you've stopped doing that, 00:38:19.820 --> 00:38:25.100 uh you can find me at macvoices.com we have a lot of great tech talk over there 00:38:25.100 --> 00:38:30.600 um reviewing the the news reviewing products hopefully making you think a little 00:38:30.600 --> 00:38:34.360 bit about uh the tech as opposed to just knee-jerk reacting to it. 00:38:34.820 --> 00:38:37.760 And on all the socials, you can find me as at Chuck Joyner. 00:38:38.987 --> 00:38:42.247 Did I tell you about my new Apple toy? No. 00:38:43.187 --> 00:38:47.067 I've got some lovely AirPods Pro 3. Oh, nice. 00:38:48.567 --> 00:38:53.727 Yeah, I mean this sincerely. They're the best. I said this on my podcast with 00:38:53.727 --> 00:38:54.747 Kelly Gamont the other day. 00:38:55.327 --> 00:38:57.547 They're the best audio product Apple has ever made. 00:38:58.787 --> 00:39:03.147 No question. Wow. Okay, I've still got the two. They're fantastic. 00:39:04.407 --> 00:39:07.467 See, she's trying to help me spend money. Sorry. That's what's happening here. 00:39:08.567 --> 00:39:11.507 I don't know if the jump from two to three is that significant 00:39:11.507 --> 00:39:14.567 the jump from one to three is very significant oh i 00:39:14.567 --> 00:39:17.847 bet yeah if that's your comparison absolutely absolutely 00:39:17.847 --> 00:39:23.747 jump from what to do um i'm at the addition.net and actually i like henry across 00:39:23.747 --> 00:39:27.507 most of social media you can check out their subscription newsletter and you 00:39:27.507 --> 00:39:33.767 can now buy my latest book streaming wars it's out wherever you get books it's 00:39:33.767 --> 00:39:36.527 out in the uk and i think lots of european countries at the moment, 00:39:37.227 --> 00:39:40.347 American friends you're going to have to wait till the 28th of October to get 00:39:40.347 --> 00:39:44.947 your hands on it but please pre-order it'd be lovely if you pre-ordered it makes 00:39:44.947 --> 00:39:50.467 a huge difference so yeah that's Streaming Wars which is out now Chuck it's 00:39:50.467 --> 00:39:56.847 always a pleasure to talk TV with you we'll see you guys next time thanks for watching.