WEBVTT 00:00:09.041 --> 00:00:16.061 Hello, and welcome to the edition. This week's episode is sponsored by Clean My Mac from Macport. 00:00:16.401 --> 00:00:18.181 I'm your host, Charlotte Henry. 00:00:18.821 --> 00:00:21.701 And joining me once again, because it's been far too freaking long, 00:00:22.321 --> 00:00:26.181 is my power and possibly yours, Kelly Gamont. Hello, Kelly. 00:00:27.361 --> 00:00:30.421 Hi, Charlotte. It's really great to be here. I'm excited to get to join you again. 00:00:30.961 --> 00:00:35.501 Yeah, I'm so pleased you're back. We've got a few things to talk about, 00:00:35.561 --> 00:00:39.921 as we always do, because it's not really what I do on the show, 00:00:39.941 --> 00:00:42.781 but it is Apple product week, month, 00:00:43.341 --> 00:00:48.921 kind of early October, like mid-September to early October is kind of Apple month. 00:00:49.141 --> 00:00:51.821 I always think of it like there's always new stuff out there, 00:00:52.321 --> 00:00:53.881 always things trying to take my money. 00:00:54.241 --> 00:00:58.901 And so, yeah, I thought we, there was no one better than a former colleague 00:00:58.901 --> 00:01:02.881 of mine at the Mac Observer to discuss this all with. 00:01:03.661 --> 00:01:08.741 So the thing that gets all the attention, and let's just focus on that, is the iPhone. 00:01:09.761 --> 00:01:14.721 Yes. So there's lots of tech podcasts that do the iPhone breakdown where you 00:01:14.721 --> 00:01:16.921 can get the specs and this and that, which is fine. 00:01:16.941 --> 00:01:21.681 And we will come to the iPhone Air as well, which is a whole different vibe going on. 00:01:22.401 --> 00:01:26.621 Yes. But neither of you or I bought a new iPhone, and I'm interested in why 00:01:26.621 --> 00:01:31.081 from a consumer perspective and particularly from the perspective of two people 00:01:31.081 --> 00:01:36.461 who like using their phones to both consume media and to make media. Mm hmm. 00:01:37.221 --> 00:01:40.421 So hit me with why you didn't record. 00:01:40.901 --> 00:01:47.121 So why you didn't buy a new iPhone to record new stuff on. 00:01:47.621 --> 00:01:49.381 To record everything. Yeah. 00:01:50.081 --> 00:01:57.301 Mostly because I'm starting. I mean, it's been a while because I know you and 00:01:57.301 --> 00:02:02.201 I, whether it was for a podcast or not, have had this conversation before um 00:02:02.201 --> 00:02:05.001 the the stuff that they brought. 00:02:06.304 --> 00:02:10.024 On a fundamental level is not to 00:02:10.024 --> 00:02:13.504 me is not dramatically newer they always have it always has a better camera 00:02:13.504 --> 00:02:17.844 like these there are certain things that we know to be true we could you could 00:02:17.844 --> 00:02:22.864 put this out a year from now we could get in a phone booth and put it out a 00:02:22.864 --> 00:02:28.524 year ago and these would still be sort of universal truths the camera is dramatically 00:02:28.524 --> 00:02:29.644 better than the one before, 00:02:31.324 --> 00:02:37.724 and it's got new interesting i just want to pause dramatically better, 00:02:39.804 --> 00:02:44.264 as far as the processing goes it seems to get dramatically better every time 00:02:44.264 --> 00:02:48.564 like fun not necessarily more megapixels but like what the computational piece 00:02:48.564 --> 00:02:53.164 of computational photography can do for you like um to the point that someone 00:02:53.164 --> 00:02:54.844 would notice it if you're making content. 00:02:56.944 --> 00:03:00.464 Um maybe not from year to year but every two it's 00:03:00.464 --> 00:03:03.304 possible um so like if you 00:03:03.304 --> 00:03:06.504 have you know this is the 17 so if you have 00:03:06.504 --> 00:03:10.044 an odd numbered iphone now wait no 00:03:10.044 --> 00:03:12.964 my math is bad i've yeah that's 00:03:12.964 --> 00:03:16.524 right this is 17 i've got a 15 yeah i 00:03:16.524 --> 00:03:19.884 do too i have a 15 pro and uh so with 00:03:19.884 --> 00:03:23.064 an odd number with an odd numbered phone you may notice the difference when I 00:03:23.064 --> 00:03:25.924 get a new phone um there are certain pictures I 00:03:25.924 --> 00:03:29.084 always kind of like to take um to see 00:03:29.084 --> 00:03:31.904 how they stack up over time like there's uh 00:03:31.904 --> 00:03:36.684 there's a neon sign that I like to take a picture of um going outside and taking 00:03:36.684 --> 00:03:40.344 a picture of something at night like once night mode became a thing trying to 00:03:40.344 --> 00:03:43.944 do some portrait mode photography for the same kinds of reasons just to see 00:03:43.944 --> 00:03:49.164 how those things have evolved over time and uh primarily. 00:03:49.944 --> 00:03:53.264 Um i have gotten more resistant because 00:03:53.264 --> 00:04:00.844 i am not team pro max i do not purchase a phone by the acre so i don't you and 00:04:00.844 --> 00:04:05.984 i both have had long-held opinions on this yes uh for several reasons one of 00:04:05.984 --> 00:04:11.184 which is is the pockets in most of the clothing i own uh wouldn't hold one effectively, 00:04:11.844 --> 00:04:15.624 um but aside from that uh being able 00:04:15.624 --> 00:04:18.304 to realistically hold it in your hand and I 00:04:18.304 --> 00:04:22.064 know there are a lot of people in our girly hands yes 00:04:22.064 --> 00:04:27.564 we little school girl hands um I know a lot of people who went pro max because 00:04:27.564 --> 00:04:32.844 of the amount of stuff you can do with your watch uh which is also a a compelling 00:04:32.844 --> 00:04:37.864 argument like you you don't have to have you don't have to take your phone out 00:04:37.864 --> 00:04:39.164 all the time in order to read a text. 00:04:39.304 --> 00:04:43.784 You can get it on your arm and reply to it effectively without having to pull 00:04:43.784 --> 00:04:45.684 that slab out to do whatever you're trying to do. 00:04:46.664 --> 00:04:51.284 I have found that I would rather have an iPad mini than... 00:04:52.846 --> 00:04:56.966 Than a mini ipad yeah um 00:04:56.966 --> 00:05:00.306 with cellular data like really um so 00:05:00.306 --> 00:05:03.086 uh on a like the big thing 00:05:03.086 --> 00:05:06.366 that came to the 15 as you and i know is the usbc charging 00:05:06.366 --> 00:05:10.346 and so now having everything use one cable and 00:05:10.346 --> 00:05:14.206 one wall plug is magical and 00:05:14.206 --> 00:05:17.366 that's that's been one of the things that i 00:05:17.366 --> 00:05:20.006 uh that i have very much appreciate it that was 00:05:20.006 --> 00:05:23.366 what came to the 15 initially was the um 00:05:23.366 --> 00:05:26.066 the bonus side button that you can program to do a 00:05:26.066 --> 00:05:29.286 thing and usbc for as 00:05:29.286 --> 00:05:33.126 the charging mechanism um both of 00:05:33.126 --> 00:05:36.126 those well both of those things are things that 00:05:36.126 --> 00:05:38.866 that you still get now but that was one of 00:05:38.866 --> 00:05:41.866 the biggest things with eliminating the the lightning cable and 00:05:41.866 --> 00:05:44.766 so i've i've not had a need in 00:05:44.766 --> 00:05:47.546 the last couple i didn't need the little slide on the 00:05:47.546 --> 00:05:50.226 side for the camera i've seen it and it's kind of 00:05:50.226 --> 00:05:53.246 neat but it wasn't it isn't the 00:05:53.246 --> 00:05:56.246 fundamental change that we used to get like in the single digit 00:05:56.246 --> 00:06:01.446 model numbers like now that you have this phone uh you can shoot video which 00:06:01.446 --> 00:06:06.306 was not a thing the first or second iphone could do uh now sorry let's pause 00:06:06.306 --> 00:06:10.386 it back because that's such a crazy thought right now i'm shooting video on 00:06:10.386 --> 00:06:15.446 it the whole time but like the idea that you had an iphone that you couldn't. 00:06:15.906 --> 00:06:20.346 Could you always take photos could you always take stills you could always take 00:06:20.346 --> 00:06:24.646 feels that you couldn't shoot video right like that's just kind of when you 00:06:24.646 --> 00:06:29.846 got video yeah this is kind of the first the first ipad had no camera at all, 00:06:30.503 --> 00:06:35.643 the og ipad didn't even i mean yeah and now they are the things that. 00:06:36.843 --> 00:06:41.063 Yeah now people can make movies on them now everywhere 00:06:41.063 --> 00:06:44.063 you go there's somebody that hauls an ipad out and takes pictures 00:06:44.063 --> 00:06:46.743 of things you know one of these i don't 00:06:46.743 --> 00:06:49.783 know where you hang out but they're definitely but 00:06:49.783 --> 00:06:55.243 you could no but you can go to a film studio film filmmakers can make films 00:06:55.243 --> 00:07:01.203 on the iphone now and i feel like we on the phone like braise part blaze passes 00:07:01.203 --> 00:07:06.143 like it's a normal thing it's not a normal thing for a while something that 00:07:06.143 --> 00:07:08.603 you and i discussed it i think on, 00:07:09.103 --> 00:07:13.743 uh the mac observer daily observations podcast when that was the show that i was hosting. 00:07:15.123 --> 00:07:18.143 One of the times that we talked about was yes there 00:07:18.143 --> 00:07:21.203 was a film where they took 00:07:21.203 --> 00:07:24.103 a pickup shot with somebody's iphone camera on like. 00:07:24.103 --> 00:07:27.843 The really nicest setting with um halide 00:07:27.843 --> 00:07:30.763 or or filmic or you know one of those sorts of 00:07:30.763 --> 00:07:33.643 apps and it went into a feature 00:07:33.643 --> 00:07:36.903 film that was released into theaters um you 00:07:36.903 --> 00:07:39.783 know it was like one shot for like five or ten seconds 00:07:39.783 --> 00:07:43.723 or something but like that was the first time that had happened and it 00:07:43.723 --> 00:07:46.463 has continued to happen since and we've seen you know 00:07:46.463 --> 00:07:49.243 we we get the reports after the event right where they show the 00:07:49.243 --> 00:07:52.303 big rig where they're filming tim cook 00:07:52.303 --> 00:07:55.143 with an iphone in a in a thing 00:07:55.143 --> 00:07:57.863 with a bunch of professional lights and all of that but it's all 00:07:57.863 --> 00:08:00.663 happening with an iphone and those kinds of 00:08:00.663 --> 00:08:03.783 things are things that are not notable anymore but 00:08:03.783 --> 00:08:06.643 like you know there was a point when it didn't have video 00:08:06.643 --> 00:08:09.903 there was a point when you couldn't bonk your phone or the 00:08:09.903 --> 00:08:12.723 thing on your arm on the thing to pay 00:08:12.723 --> 00:08:15.463 for the thing which you guys in america still don't do that 00:08:15.463 --> 00:08:18.943 much anyway but that's a different conversation yeah that 00:08:18.943 --> 00:08:21.683 yeah that part's a little different but a lot of places that 00:08:21.683 --> 00:08:24.283 I go um like I went I went out 00:08:24.283 --> 00:08:27.283 shopping over the weekend um I had like some certain 00:08:27.283 --> 00:08:30.743 things I needed to do and some stuff I needed to buy and um 00:08:30.743 --> 00:08:34.023 I had a show on Friday and had left my wallet in 00:08:34.023 --> 00:08:36.823 my bag um instead of having it 00:08:36.823 --> 00:08:40.023 in my purse with me and we went out and I went oh no I 00:08:40.023 --> 00:08:42.803 left my wallet at home with the credit card I wanted 00:08:42.803 --> 00:08:45.503 to use my ID and everything and just bonked my 00:08:45.503 --> 00:08:48.683 arm on the thing to buy stuff yeah it's that one second where 00:08:48.683 --> 00:08:51.843 it feels like we live in the future is when I get to put. 00:08:51.843 --> 00:08:54.563 My arm on the thing and I have magically bought whatever it is. 00:08:54.563 --> 00:08:58.923 That was on the counter that part is great but like some of those like there. 00:08:58.923 --> 00:09:02.383 Was a point when those things were dependent on the phone model that you had 00:09:02.383 --> 00:09:07.803 it wasn't table stakes that when you get one you are getting a 4k video camera 00:09:07.803 --> 00:09:13.663 a really really nice digital camera yeah a really you know, 00:09:14.524 --> 00:09:22.404 So when before 2000, what, maybe 10, were people spending $1,000 on a flashlight, for example? 00:09:24.164 --> 00:09:27.244 You know, and then like the whole industry around all of the stuff that goes 00:09:27.244 --> 00:09:32.244 into those, you know, cases and chargers and the thing and the other thing and 00:09:32.244 --> 00:09:33.264 the other and the other and the other. 00:09:33.264 --> 00:09:36.284 And, you know, I'm a sucker for like, I have this little thing for my phone 00:09:36.284 --> 00:09:39.704 that does a, you know, whatever, because I am convinced that that is one of 00:09:39.704 --> 00:09:43.644 the ways that you keep your technology happy is that you occasionally buy presents. 00:09:44.584 --> 00:09:51.244 So, yeah, this is a lot of things that have, yeah, there used to be big changes 00:09:51.244 --> 00:09:55.584 in every model. And now they are adding things and they are interesting things, 00:09:55.704 --> 00:09:58.724 but it's not a fundamental difference in what you can do with your phone. 00:09:58.844 --> 00:10:02.184 It's more of a refinement or an improvement. and i didn't 00:10:02.184 --> 00:10:05.544 see anything in what i needed so like the 18 i'm 00:10:05.544 --> 00:10:08.384 probably going to be real excited about 18 or 00:10:08.384 --> 00:10:11.724 19 is where i'm at because i've never been a uh 00:10:11.724 --> 00:10:16.984 rent it for 12 months and then get the next one the following septober which 00:10:16.984 --> 00:10:22.164 is by the way the holiday that uh uh mac admins people in in my field tend to 00:10:22.164 --> 00:10:26.724 call it is septober because it's always when the mac os upgrade and the ios 00:10:26.724 --> 00:10:30.884 upgrade cycle happens yeah we've got all that we went from ios 17 to 26. 00:10:33.618 --> 00:10:38.518 Yeah, but it's always like late September, early October, which just became September. 00:10:39.138 --> 00:10:40.798 Which is why I wanted to have this conversation with you now. 00:10:40.978 --> 00:10:44.258 But what I'm hearing from you, and this is the same reason I came to the same 00:10:44.258 --> 00:10:45.558 conclusion as you, basically. 00:10:45.938 --> 00:10:50.918 I paid off this iPhone. I was like, okay, so I'll have a year paying slightly 00:10:50.918 --> 00:10:51.958 less a month on something. 00:10:52.158 --> 00:10:56.578 Thanks very much. There was nothing in the iPhone 17 Pro that was like, 00:10:56.738 --> 00:10:57.958 Charlotte, you must have this. 00:10:58.118 --> 00:11:00.718 It will fundamentally improve your business. 00:11:01.018 --> 00:11:03.698 It will fundamentally, do you know what I mean? and that's not to say it's a 00:11:03.698 --> 00:11:06.678 bad thing if you've got a 14 or 15 i'm sure you will get. 00:11:07.618 --> 00:11:10.518 Good good upgrades but for me these 00:11:10.518 --> 00:11:13.278 are now incremental changes and it 00:11:13.278 --> 00:11:17.798 wasn't quite enough for me to jump straight away 00:11:17.798 --> 00:11:20.658 yeah i think the last big thing was 00:11:20.658 --> 00:11:23.658 the usbc charging because with the 12 i went 00:11:23.658 --> 00:11:26.398 from the 12 to the 15 when i got the 12 the 12 was the 00:11:26.398 --> 00:11:30.258 first with 5g uh 5g cellular service 00:11:30.258 --> 00:11:33.058 and so once that got more prominent it was like my phone just sort 00:11:33.058 --> 00:11:35.838 of continued to get upgraded over time as it 00:11:35.838 --> 00:11:38.798 was much easier to access the faster data network so 00:11:38.798 --> 00:11:43.838 like those kinds of things none of those kinds of changes are things that that 00:11:43.838 --> 00:11:50.698 happened in the 17 so it was kind of um like that's a great phone and um and 00:11:50.698 --> 00:11:56.558 yeah next year's will also be great and when i'm a little maybe more inclined to get something new, 00:11:56.818 --> 00:11:59.558 then, you know, then we'll talk about it. 00:11:59.738 --> 00:12:04.478 But yeah, I'm really fascinated by these iPhones and other Apple products in 00:12:04.478 --> 00:12:06.218 the content creation space. 00:12:06.578 --> 00:12:13.538 And I don't mean content creation necessarily in how you think of it as an influencer 00:12:13.538 --> 00:12:16.498 on TikTok or Instagram, although that is one part of it. 00:12:16.558 --> 00:12:20.278 And it's very interesting i'm also interested 00:12:20.278 --> 00:12:25.878 in it you know i hear stories of bbc journalists being able to go out on stories 00:12:25.878 --> 00:12:30.998 and just cover the story on their iphone um i know there's a whole i'm sure 00:12:30.998 --> 00:12:34.158 there's a whole thing in the bbc about that i think i've heard stories of football 00:12:34.158 --> 00:12:37.198 matches being covered by people using an iphone. 00:12:38.786 --> 00:12:42.846 And the way these products. Everybody here, like, there's a lot of news happening. 00:12:43.026 --> 00:12:43.926 I live in Portland, Oregon. 00:12:44.146 --> 00:12:47.946 There's a lot of news happening here right now. And lots of it is being captured 00:12:47.946 --> 00:12:52.166 by people with iPhones, just like it was the last time anybody heard about Portland, 00:12:52.306 --> 00:12:53.866 Oregon, that did not live here. Right, you know. 00:12:54.526 --> 00:13:02.586 Same thing is you have something in your pocket that is a very capable device to help show the world, 00:13:03.346 --> 00:13:05.986 for good or for ill or whatever agenda it is that you 00:13:05.986 --> 00:13:10.606 have as you show it to do that very very effectively and have it be something 00:13:10.606 --> 00:13:16.546 that can be broadcast quality you know that's the key bit and that is the key 00:13:16.546 --> 00:13:22.706 bit the last two words you used broadcast quality because now it's not just 00:13:22.706 --> 00:13:24.406 about putting a clip on social media. 00:13:25.426 --> 00:13:33.266 These things can go on tv and you filmed it in 4k and i'm looking at the iphone 00:13:33.266 --> 00:13:39.006 17 and yeah i'm sure people will people will get that and will notice even more 00:13:39.006 --> 00:13:41.906 broadcast quality capabilities on that, 00:13:42.406 --> 00:13:45.706 that and that that is for sure you know the camera 00:13:45.706 --> 00:13:49.266 control really does change sorry i'm 00:13:49.266 --> 00:13:52.326 just looking through the specs i'm gonna have to ask you this what on earth 00:13:52.326 --> 00:13:59.446 is the vapor chamber uh that is some new it is the thing that that i thought 00:13:59.446 --> 00:14:04.206 was kind of the most entertaining of the features uh it's they took your phone 00:14:04.206 --> 00:14:07.886 and they filled it with liquid to help keep it cool. 00:14:08.186 --> 00:14:11.466 It's like a liquid cooling thing so that your phone doesn't get super hot. 00:14:11.466 --> 00:14:16.126 So that when my hand burns when I'm charging it, that's not happening anymore. 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of long plane trips and the 00:16:55.662 --> 00:16:59.002 second gen had just come out and one 00:16:59.002 --> 00:17:01.662 of mine had decided uh it was going 00:17:01.662 --> 00:17:04.762 to only charge intermittently and so 00:17:04.762 --> 00:17:08.142 i figured i didn't really have a choice and i was going to have to buy 00:17:08.142 --> 00:17:11.422 new ones what a tragedy but they're 00:17:11.422 --> 00:17:14.742 great but i tell you i i did test 00:17:14.742 --> 00:17:17.602 out the two's briefly but the air force 00:17:17.602 --> 00:17:20.582 pro 3 are the best audio product apple 00:17:20.582 --> 00:17:24.362 has ever made i mean that absolutely sincerely um 00:17:24.362 --> 00:17:27.182 the sound quality is better for like listening 00:17:27.182 --> 00:17:29.822 to music and podcasts and indeed and we'll come 00:17:29.822 --> 00:17:33.782 back to this with the display on the 17 pro uh 00:17:33.782 --> 00:17:39.502 the way the quality for listening and to watch tv on them and things like that 00:17:39.502 --> 00:17:42.942 if you want to you know plug it into a mac plug it into if you want to be a 00:17:42.942 --> 00:17:47.402 absolute heathen and watch tv or a movie on your phone um which is something 00:17:47.402 --> 00:17:51.542 i've never improved of and apart from in sort of desperate circumstances. 00:17:52.202 --> 00:17:54.982 Like they've really upgraded these. 00:17:55.810 --> 00:17:58.850 Seriously they can do things like heart rate 00:17:58.850 --> 00:18:01.730 you can nod or shake your head and do 00:18:01.730 --> 00:18:05.350 all those things in order to answer the phone that stuff 00:18:05.350 --> 00:18:08.190 is great like if you if you have it coming in 00:18:08.190 --> 00:18:11.350 the two some of those features yeah the gestures uh 00:18:11.350 --> 00:18:14.210 yeah i have the gestures i don't have the heart rate um i 00:18:14.210 --> 00:18:17.210 have the gestures and one of the things i really 00:18:17.210 --> 00:18:20.030 like is the volume adjustment just by putting your finger 00:18:20.030 --> 00:18:24.790 up and down um which on the side of the iphones yeah yeah on the side of the 00:18:24.790 --> 00:18:32.850 on the stem there yeah that part is is fantastic um and and all of like uh one 00:18:32.850 --> 00:18:36.730 of the big things that came to the two was the individual pieces all showing 00:18:36.730 --> 00:18:38.690 up on find my so if you drop your case, 00:18:39.330 --> 00:18:44.810 and each individual headphone ejects from the case as they are want to do from 00:18:44.810 --> 00:18:48.890 time to time then you can find all three things you can find the case and you 00:18:48.890 --> 00:18:50.470 can find the one airpod and you 00:18:50.570 --> 00:18:55.810 find the other airpod which is phenomenal um like the one of the things that 00:18:55.810 --> 00:18:58.930 i noticed because it's a thing that i use regularly and was the reason i pulled 00:18:58.930 --> 00:19:02.370 the trigger on the upgrade from the ones to the twos instead of just muddling 00:19:02.370 --> 00:19:04.650 through with one that kind of felt like charging occasionally. 00:19:05.370 --> 00:19:08.090 Is the noise cancellation the a the the noise 00:19:08.090 --> 00:19:11.070 cancellation on these is magnificent i can't 00:19:11.070 --> 00:19:13.890 even imagine what it's like on the threes yeah it's and i've been 00:19:13.890 --> 00:19:17.530 on the tube and i've been on very loud uh 00:19:17.530 --> 00:19:21.470 underground lines in london and it's absolutely 00:19:21.470 --> 00:19:24.550 phenomenal yes and as a 00:19:24.550 --> 00:19:27.510 friend of the show has said they make great earplugs 00:19:27.510 --> 00:19:30.150 if you are in spaces that are frequently loud like if you go 00:19:30.150 --> 00:19:34.230 to concerts and things that they make it's one of the absolutely 00:19:34.230 --> 00:19:37.790 yeah well that's hearing protection you you can get as well so yeah 00:19:37.790 --> 00:19:40.970 no that's all entirely true 00:19:40.970 --> 00:19:44.290 and i do think look 00:19:44.290 --> 00:19:47.290 i don't want to spend listeners money for them i do 00:19:47.290 --> 00:19:50.530 but if you're yes if you're 00:19:50.530 --> 00:19:53.530 on certainly if you're on i think there are 00:19:53.530 --> 00:19:57.130 things that are definitely better about the three compared to the two i think 00:19:57.130 --> 00:20:02.190 if you're going from one to three this is a world of difference and is worth 00:20:02.190 --> 00:20:08.850 the investment if this is a piece of kit you use day in day out yeah 100 uh 00:20:08.850 --> 00:20:11.290 and additionally like um. 00:20:12.392 --> 00:20:15.252 Uh even from the like from the two to the three 00:20:15.252 --> 00:20:18.012 if if you need some of those features like the the 00:20:18.012 --> 00:20:21.172 heart rate monitoring and uh you know 00:20:21.172 --> 00:20:23.972 the air the the noise cancellation is a little bit better one of 00:20:23.972 --> 00:20:27.712 the things that i really like about the noise cancellation is uh 00:20:27.712 --> 00:20:30.692 with over ears uh if i 00:20:30.692 --> 00:20:34.152 have over ear with noise cancellation uh sometimes 00:20:34.152 --> 00:20:36.952 because of like the pressure in it or whatever i'm one of the people that gets 00:20:36.952 --> 00:20:39.792 a headache from that and so these don't do that 00:20:39.792 --> 00:20:43.132 and that's been really nice because it gets yeah but 00:20:43.132 --> 00:20:45.992 I like I end up feeling kind of like I took one too many 00:20:45.992 --> 00:20:49.672 rides on a roller coaster or something um because 00:20:49.672 --> 00:20:52.432 I've done it like yeah like I've done that 00:20:52.432 --> 00:20:55.172 like on cross-country flights um from the west coast 00:20:55.172 --> 00:20:58.432 to the east coast and had um over 00:20:58.432 --> 00:21:01.592 ear noise canceling headphones and it just did not 00:21:01.592 --> 00:21:04.392 work for me at all I felt really terrible when I got off the plane 00:21:04.392 --> 00:21:07.552 like on several fronts but one of them was like this low-grade headache 00:21:07.552 --> 00:21:10.552 and it turns out that that's a thing that sometimes happens to people and i 00:21:10.552 --> 00:21:13.392 don't get that with these so i still get the noise cancellation and not having 00:21:13.392 --> 00:21:18.072 to listen to the plane the entire time which is really nice there's 00:21:18.072 --> 00:21:21.272 one thing also which is the way 00:21:21.272 --> 00:21:24.492 the airpods pro 3 are done. 00:21:24.492 --> 00:21:27.252 The they give you more ear tips now so 00:21:27.252 --> 00:21:30.072 you can really get them they give you i think six different 00:21:30.072 --> 00:21:36.072 ones in the pro three wow yeah i think it was three in the box sorry six in 00:21:36.072 --> 00:21:41.572 the box which really helps you make sure they fit comfortably do you know what 00:21:41.572 --> 00:21:47.452 naughty thing they don't do you can guess this they do not put a usb-c cable in that box anymore. 00:21:49.592 --> 00:21:53.592 They've made it in the uk i think they were 10 pounds cheaper than the twos 00:21:53.592 --> 00:21:58.152 but there is no and that would be why and they've replaced they've taken the 00:21:58.152 --> 00:22:04.552 money off but they have not given you a cable yeah which is like kind of okay 00:22:04.552 --> 00:22:08.452 because i have enough usbc cables knocking around but it's a little bit naughty, 00:22:09.511 --> 00:22:10.271 Yeah, a bit. 00:22:12.791 --> 00:22:20.671 One of the things that I had a hard time with initially when I went to the pros 00:22:20.671 --> 00:22:25.971 was finding eartips that fit because the ones in the box didn't really work. 00:22:25.971 --> 00:22:29.231 I'm apparently i'm between whatever the three sizes were that they used to ship 00:22:29.231 --> 00:22:37.291 and so um i ended up getting comply foam uh comply memory foam tips for mine 00:22:37.291 --> 00:22:41.731 and like for a while had a hobby of are the easier tips any good for me or are 00:22:41.731 --> 00:22:43.431 they going to just keep falling out well there's now. 00:22:43.951 --> 00:22:47.011 So five or six options in the three which does 00:22:47.011 --> 00:22:50.131 make which is great yeah it does make a difference to 00:22:50.131 --> 00:22:54.011 making these up it is amazing actually how apple 00:22:54.011 --> 00:22:57.211 has improved i think the microphone has got better and better in each generation 00:22:57.211 --> 00:23:00.151 as well because you used to always be able to tell when someone was talking 00:23:00.151 --> 00:23:04.331 to you on airpods and I think that has got better and but like I used to buy 00:23:04.331 --> 00:23:12.171 a wired cable you know those 15 pound wired earpods not airpods because the microphone is better, 00:23:12.631 --> 00:23:15.731 and like again going back to recording content I 00:23:15.731 --> 00:23:18.791 always used to make stuff using the earpods not 00:23:18.791 --> 00:23:23.151 the airpods because the audio quality was a bit better and 00:23:23.151 --> 00:23:26.651 I haven't tested yet but I think the probably 00:23:26.651 --> 00:23:29.811 the differentiation now between those two when 00:23:29.811 --> 00:23:32.491 you've got to the airpods pro 3 will be 00:23:32.491 --> 00:23:36.491 much less significant yeah now i 00:23:36.491 --> 00:23:39.831 can tell when someone switches to their airpods because like 00:23:39.831 --> 00:23:43.451 the background noise is less so it's almost like i can hear you better now because 00:23:43.451 --> 00:23:47.211 you're not on the regular phone microphone and you're not on speaker and so 00:23:47.211 --> 00:23:51.191 if you're on a pair of headphones like i can tell when you switch off you know 00:23:51.191 --> 00:23:56.851 whatever the phone mode is or something instead which is kind of an odd thing. 00:23:56.851 --> 00:23:59.631 It's one of those sort of evolutions, you know, like, oh, you sound a lot better. 00:23:59.691 --> 00:24:01.311 You must've put your headphones in. Yeah. 00:24:02.877 --> 00:24:06.817 One thing I didn't have on the AirPods Pro 1, but I do think is in the 2 and 00:24:06.817 --> 00:24:11.237 is definitely in the 3, because I tested it last night, is the adaptive mode, 00:24:11.237 --> 00:24:14.717 whereby you have noise cancelling on. 00:24:14.817 --> 00:24:20.677 But as soon as the AirPods detect talking, it goes to transparency mode, it turns off. 00:24:21.577 --> 00:24:26.297 So I'm that terrible person that almost always listens to music or podcasts 00:24:26.297 --> 00:24:27.257 something when I'm in a cab. 00:24:28.957 --> 00:24:36.137 Um so if so yesterday i was in a taxi and i was talking to the driver and the 00:24:36.137 --> 00:24:40.437 driver responded back for a couple of moments and because i had it on transparency 00:24:40.437 --> 00:24:44.497 mode it was fine like you can have that conversation without doing that awkward 00:24:44.497 --> 00:24:48.357 oh what was that made like it's such a clever thing, 00:24:49.497 --> 00:24:54.377 it's really nice yeah yeah i 00:24:54.377 --> 00:24:57.717 appreciate it very much when i'm doing uh like if 00:24:57.717 --> 00:25:04.077 i'm out and about or um even like sometimes if i'm at home and uh my husband 00:25:04.077 --> 00:25:07.657 walks in if i'm like trying to concentrate or something and i've got something 00:25:07.657 --> 00:25:13.317 on and then if i've got noise cancellation on if he talks to me i can hear what's 00:25:13.317 --> 00:25:15.937 going on around me and not i know you want to know you 00:25:15.977 --> 00:25:19.137 ignore him you know you ignore him um yeah 00:25:19.137 --> 00:25:22.097 thanks excuse me well i mean but i get the option i can tell he's talking and 00:25:22.097 --> 00:25:24.997 then i can choose to ignore him or you know as opposed to 00:25:24.997 --> 00:25:30.137 before where you know the door is behind me so he would walk in and like tap 00:25:30.137 --> 00:25:33.337 me on the shoulders you know say my name and then tap me on the shoulder and 00:25:33.337 --> 00:25:36.537 like i'd jump because i didn't know he was behind me and i don't get that anymore 00:25:36.537 --> 00:25:41.917 which is nice the 17 iphone 17 let's go pro but it well we haven't discussed 00:25:41.917 --> 00:25:44.157 there let's quickly do the iphone air, 00:25:46.071 --> 00:25:49.691 I mean, I've got a piece of paper next to me. It could be an iPhone. 00:25:51.311 --> 00:25:52.771 Like, how do we feel about this? 00:25:54.991 --> 00:25:58.251 Honestly, when they introduced it, I just started laughing because the last 00:25:58.251 --> 00:26:02.491 time anybody remembers a big headline about an iPhone, it was that Americans 00:26:02.491 --> 00:26:05.631 were putting them in their back pockets and sitting on them and bending them. 00:26:05.811 --> 00:26:08.491 And so Apple's response to that was to make an even skinnier phone. 00:26:08.611 --> 00:26:11.751 And I just do not understand how those add up. So you're not getting one? 00:26:12.871 --> 00:26:15.851 No. If I was going to get one, it would be the Pro because I 00:26:15.851 --> 00:26:19.291 always want the camera and it's always a little bit a little 00:26:19.291 --> 00:26:22.311 bit smaller it's a little shorter and a little narrower than whatever the 00:26:22.311 --> 00:26:25.531 regular model is and that's usually like those 00:26:25.531 --> 00:26:32.411 two things make the pro a really good sell for me because again teeny hand teeny 00:26:32.411 --> 00:26:38.671 pocket and good camera and the camera like right like it used to be a communicator 00:26:38.671 --> 00:26:43.911 that could take pictures and now It's a camera that takes phone calls in my use case. 00:26:44.091 --> 00:26:50.351 But I feel like people, there are going to be people that are compelled to the air. 00:26:50.891 --> 00:26:53.631 Not just, I mean, there's obviously the cheaper price point. 00:26:54.251 --> 00:27:01.831 Yeah. But also lighter, skinnier. People might not be so demanding on the camera. 00:27:02.871 --> 00:27:07.611 I mean, and the camera, let's be honest, the camera on the air is still pretty 00:27:07.611 --> 00:27:10.011 good. It's a great camera. Yeah. 00:27:11.091 --> 00:27:14.451 You know you're not really getting you you're really 00:27:14.451 --> 00:27:18.591 not getting some kind of piece of trash camera like it's not going to be how 00:27:18.591 --> 00:27:21.931 it used to be where you could really tell the difference between camera quality 00:27:21.931 --> 00:27:29.031 yeah yeah yeah it's it's the the gap between each model has gotten narrower 00:27:29.031 --> 00:27:34.291 it seems like with the with every model like it gets a look they get a little closer together, 00:27:35.231 --> 00:27:38.391 and it would be uh like it would 00:27:38.391 --> 00:27:42.551 be a great phone for uh like 00:27:42.551 --> 00:27:45.931 i think this takes the place of the se i think that that's what's that's 00:27:45.931 --> 00:27:49.151 what they're doing okay do you think that's i want there to be a mini but i 00:27:49.151 --> 00:27:51.811 think this is this is not happening the mini's never 00:27:51.811 --> 00:27:54.731 coming back so just i'm just looking at the fundamentals between 00:27:54.731 --> 00:27:57.451 the 17 pro and the air so they both have an 00:27:57.451 --> 00:28:00.251 a19 pro chip in them they've both got a six core 00:28:00.251 --> 00:28:03.191 cpu they both and that with neural 00:28:03.191 --> 00:28:06.391 accelerators they both got a 16 core neural engine and 00:28:06.391 --> 00:28:10.371 they both one big difference is you 00:28:10.371 --> 00:28:13.351 can get 10 hours more video playback uh on 00:28:13.351 --> 00:28:18.891 the pro compared to the air okay fine um there's 00:28:18.891 --> 00:28:24.171 you know they both got dual capture they both got an 80 megapixel center stage 00:28:24.171 --> 00:28:29.851 front camera there are more cameras there's only one lens this is the key difference 00:28:29.851 --> 00:28:38.071 there's only one lens on the air there are three lenses on the back on the pro. 00:28:39.229 --> 00:28:43.009 Yeah and that that is a difference yeah 00:28:43.009 --> 00:28:46.049 but if you but you were 00:28:46.049 --> 00:28:49.149 never going to be the person who was going to get an air if the 00:28:49.149 --> 00:28:52.609 point of your upgrade is the camera anyway quite so 00:28:52.609 --> 00:28:55.509 if you're somebody who wants to be able 00:28:55.509 --> 00:28:58.209 to take a picture sometimes when you're out and 00:28:58.209 --> 00:29:00.929 about and the best camera you have is the one that 00:29:00.929 --> 00:29:05.009 you have with you then if that's the you know if that's the situation that you're 00:29:05.009 --> 00:29:08.549 in where you're not as demanding on your equipment then the air is a great option 00:29:08.549 --> 00:29:12.829 for a lot of people like the se was a great option for a lot of people yeah 00:29:12.829 --> 00:29:17.349 just to wrap up the differences in the cameras as well as the different lenses 00:29:17.349 --> 00:29:19.049 there's more zoom options, 00:29:20.129 --> 00:29:23.149 in the pro uh there's 00:29:23.149 --> 00:29:26.349 also macro photography you can shoot dolby vision up 4k 00:29:26.349 --> 00:29:29.409 at 120 frames per second on the pro it's 00:29:29.409 --> 00:29:34.569 only 60 frames per second on the air so 00:29:34.569 --> 00:29:37.629 you're not going to be making cinema with an 00:29:37.629 --> 00:29:40.429 air but but you can make something that 00:29:40.429 --> 00:29:44.269 looks great on your tv when you get home but don't be your niece and nephew 00:29:44.269 --> 00:29:50.569 is going to be fine yeah anyway it's and they're you know they're it's 100 pounds 00:29:50.569 --> 00:29:53.529 cheaper i assume it's about the 00:29:53.529 --> 00:29:59.469 same in dollars about a hundred dollars cheaper so yeah it's 9.99 or 1199. 00:30:02.095 --> 00:30:07.155 So, you know, it's sorry, that's 200 different, isn't it? That's 200. Yeah. Yeah. 00:30:07.815 --> 00:30:15.095 So, yeah, it's quite a significant difference and a meaningful difference depending on what you want. 00:30:15.275 --> 00:30:17.375 So just throwing that all out there. 00:30:18.995 --> 00:30:22.615 Nothing's going to take you this cycle, is it? Unless we're betired, 00:30:22.835 --> 00:30:25.635 something happens to your actual phone. You're going to get a watch, are you? 00:30:26.435 --> 00:30:30.675 Kelly's waving a wrist at me for people. Yeah, I'm debating it heavily. 00:30:32.095 --> 00:30:39.515 Just because I have a series seven and I would like to, it doesn't last all day. Right. 00:30:40.235 --> 00:30:45.395 And I used to be able to charge it once in the morning and have it last through 00:30:45.395 --> 00:30:50.055 the day and through the night and then come in low in the morning and put it 00:30:50.055 --> 00:30:52.555 on to charge. And I don't have that anymore. 00:30:52.875 --> 00:30:55.915 Now I have to put it on charge in the morning. and then 00:30:55.915 --> 00:30:59.015 at some other point in the day i need to give it another little while 00:30:59.015 --> 00:31:01.755 in order to get it because i sleep with mine on because i 00:31:01.755 --> 00:31:04.875 like the alarm feature of the gentle wrist tap 00:31:04.875 --> 00:31:07.975 as opposed to playing sound every morning it's so 00:31:07.975 --> 00:31:10.695 much more civilized and so if i'm gonna 00:31:10.695 --> 00:31:14.755 wear it all night i have to now give it an extra bit 00:31:14.755 --> 00:31:17.595 of time on the charger at some point during the course of the day in 00:31:17.595 --> 00:31:20.235 order to get through because my battery is basically had it 00:31:20.235 --> 00:31:23.855 because i got the seven when 7 was released and i 00:31:23.855 --> 00:31:28.875 have basically worn it every single day since so and it's now the 11 so yeah 00:31:28.875 --> 00:31:36.815 and now all this time later um it's it's time it's it's had its day i was debating 00:31:36.815 --> 00:31:41.275 the battery replacement but i might need a new watch do you know what you've done your money. 00:31:42.595 --> 00:31:45.355 You made me go to the apple page and 00:31:45.355 --> 00:31:48.235 look at the different watches because i 00:31:48.235 --> 00:31:52.435 have the original apple watch se yes which 00:31:52.435 --> 00:31:55.715 like i'm pretty sure you made me buy that station yeah you 00:31:55.715 --> 00:32:03.795 made me buy that as well and now i'm looking at the different watches and i 00:32:03.795 --> 00:32:07.275 fear you've cost me some money this is always happens when you come on the show 00:32:07.275 --> 00:32:12.635 um so because of that we're going to end this episode um thanks very much chuck 00:32:12.635 --> 00:32:15.455 joiner has the same problem friend of the show chuck joiner has, 00:32:17.695 --> 00:32:22.295 Yeah, well, Chuck and I will be back very soon with a new TV Plus talk. 00:32:23.275 --> 00:32:28.035 So make sure you're on this feed for that. In the meantime, I'm very excited 00:32:28.035 --> 00:32:31.135 to tell you my book, Streaming Wars, which I'm waiving for people watching on 00:32:31.135 --> 00:32:36.815 YouTube, is out now in the UK, lots of European countries. Kelly, 00:32:36.975 --> 00:32:38.155 you're going to have to wait a bit longer. 00:32:38.995 --> 00:32:41.455 It's out on the 28th. Yeah. 00:32:44.117 --> 00:32:47.777 Yeah, I'm very excited about your book. Congratulations. It's so nice to see 00:32:47.777 --> 00:32:52.037 it out in the world. I know it's been coming for quite a while, 00:32:52.037 --> 00:32:54.677 so I'm really glad to finally see that it's here. Yeah. 00:32:55.537 --> 00:32:57.257 And where can people keep up with you, Kelly? 00:32:58.457 --> 00:33:01.737 Uh well if you are local uh you 00:33:01.737 --> 00:33:07.297 can come out and see my band um uh otherwise 00:33:07.297 --> 00:33:10.297 um you can occasionally find 00:33:10.297 --> 00:33:13.597 me over on the incomparable where i sometimes play 00:33:13.597 --> 00:33:17.077 game shows on podcasts with people or talk 00:33:17.077 --> 00:33:20.197 about other uh nerdy pursuits in 00:33:20.197 --> 00:33:23.377 the pop culture realm like movies and television shows and 00:33:23.377 --> 00:33:26.117 that kind of thing sort of like i do here and you 00:33:26.117 --> 00:33:29.157 can occasionally find me when uh our schedules 00:33:29.157 --> 00:33:32.277 align mike rose and i still occasionally drop episodes 00:33:32.277 --> 00:33:36.877 of the after show with mike and kelly over at aftershowpodcast.com 00:33:36.877 --> 00:33:42.957 brought to you by weather alibi and um other than that you can generally find 00:33:42.957 --> 00:33:53.197 me on mastodon and yeah that's uh that's a lot of kelly yeah it is i love it, 00:33:54.037 --> 00:33:59.177 occasionally on in touch with ios with david ginsberg i do sometimes show up 00:33:59.177 --> 00:34:03.517 over there when it doesn't conflict with uh band practice sometimes i can go 00:34:03.517 --> 00:34:08.437 pop up over there from time to time excellent well go do that i'm at charlotte 00:34:08.437 --> 00:34:10.457 a henry across social media. 00:34:11.777 --> 00:34:14.817 I'm at the edition.net and i'll see you all next week.