WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:09.520 Music. 00:00:10.292 --> 00:00:15.052 Hello, welcome to TV Plus Talk, where we discuss all things Apple TV Plus. 00:00:15.332 --> 00:00:18.452 I'm Charlotte Henry. He's Chuck Joyner. Hello. 00:00:19.112 --> 00:00:21.452 Hello, Charlotte. Good to see you, as always. 00:00:22.232 --> 00:00:25.652 A delight to see you. We've got a fun show today, actually. 00:00:25.952 --> 00:00:30.052 It's kind of like our last show, but actually builds on what we discuss. 00:00:30.172 --> 00:00:33.972 It's almost like we plan this stuff and actually, you know, work towards it, Chuck. 00:00:34.132 --> 00:00:37.572 Almost. It's almost professional, but don't tell anyone. Well, 00:00:37.872 --> 00:00:42.812 and there's also what Apple TV Plus actually does in the middle that can make 00:00:42.812 --> 00:00:45.052 it or break any plans we do have. 00:00:45.252 --> 00:00:48.432 So, yeah, but I like the idea that this time it worked. 00:00:49.132 --> 00:00:55.392 This time it kind of worked because last episode you recommended to me a thriller 00:00:55.392 --> 00:00:57.492 on TV Plus called Prime Target. 00:00:57.492 --> 00:01:01.812 And we were having a discussion that it kind of fell into the category of Apple 00:01:01.812 --> 00:01:06.772 TV Plus shows that are very good and well produced, but then kind of just disappear 00:01:06.772 --> 00:01:07.952 from the public conscious. 00:01:09.072 --> 00:01:13.892 And so dedicated as I am, I've started watching it. I've watched the first episode. 00:01:15.512 --> 00:01:18.912 I'm into it. Let's start with the headline. I'm into it. Like, 00:01:19.012 --> 00:01:21.552 I'm definitely going to be finishing the series, going to keep going. I like it. 00:01:22.072 --> 00:01:26.952 My only but is, I thought, the opening bits. There's some quite cliched bits, isn't there? 00:01:26.952 --> 00:01:31.952 You know, this is not a particular spoiler because, you know, 00:01:32.112 --> 00:01:36.932 the opening scene in the Arabic market and the explosion, which you can see 00:01:36.932 --> 00:01:39.432 coming a mile, the sort of, 00:01:40.052 --> 00:01:43.912 they put every Cambridge University cliche in there that they can. 00:01:44.912 --> 00:01:49.152 You know, the tortured central soul, all of that stuff. 00:01:49.452 --> 00:01:56.752 I think a lot, there was quite a lot of cliche in there, but I still enjoyed watching it. 00:01:56.952 --> 00:01:59.632 And I intend to keep watching it. Does that seem fair? 00:02:00.312 --> 00:02:06.292 That seems fair. I find it interesting because I would not have made those judgments. 00:02:06.532 --> 00:02:11.412 And I wonder if it's the fact that I'm an American viewer, 00:02:11.692 --> 00:02:17.392 you're a UK viewer, so I don't recognize maybe the, what did you say, 00:02:17.472 --> 00:02:21.792 the Cambridge bits as much or as obvious. 00:02:21.792 --> 00:02:27.692 Again, this is not a spoiler because, you know, the central characters at Cambridge 00:02:27.692 --> 00:02:31.132 University, but like the first time we see him and the first time we see Cambridge 00:02:31.132 --> 00:02:32.852 University, he's in a boat. 00:02:33.352 --> 00:02:37.212 I mean, come on. 00:02:37.672 --> 00:02:41.492 Okay, you know, I guess, I mean, I just feel, from my perspective, 00:02:41.632 --> 00:02:47.772 it just set the mood, but I'm not quite as aware of Cambridge as, 00:02:48.312 --> 00:02:51.512 I'm not sure what the right phrase is, Charlotte, so I don't, 00:02:51.612 --> 00:02:54.312 and no denigration here to Cambridge at all. 00:02:54.692 --> 00:02:57.932 That's not, but it just seems, yeah, okay, it's a Cambridge, 00:02:58.152 --> 00:03:00.292 and that's sort of what they do there. That's fine. 00:03:01.092 --> 00:03:06.552 Right. And of course, that is what you're getting at, is exactly the reason why they did it. 00:03:08.996 --> 00:03:14.096 Because for, you know, obviously many of the people watching TV plus will be in America. 00:03:14.236 --> 00:03:17.876 So to get that kind of Cambridge vibe to people that don't live here, 00:03:18.456 --> 00:03:23.196 obviously they went straight to like the boats and then into the sort of halls 00:03:23.196 --> 00:03:26.196 of residence and all the things we think about Cambridge university. 00:03:26.236 --> 00:03:28.876 And it's like, anyway, I thought it was good. 00:03:29.016 --> 00:03:31.876 It is good. I definitely want to finish it. And I like, I'm sort of into the 00:03:31.876 --> 00:03:36.936 premise. I put in my newsletter, it's nerds and action. So obviously that is going to work for me. 00:03:37.916 --> 00:03:43.276 As a two things coming together as a concept, like nerds and action TV, I'm in. 00:03:44.036 --> 00:03:47.396 But yeah, there was like the first scene. Did you not know what was going to 00:03:47.396 --> 00:03:49.136 happen within three seconds? 00:03:52.656 --> 00:03:59.356 No, it's interesting that you say that because I didn't. I didn't know exactly 00:03:59.356 --> 00:04:00.276 what was going to happen. 00:04:01.076 --> 00:04:07.116 And certainly, and what I can't remember is just how much they showed you in the first episode. 00:04:07.556 --> 00:04:10.576 And I'm staying very clear away from spoilers. 00:04:11.096 --> 00:04:15.716 Yeah, let's not do spoilers. Yeah, but – Because I want to watch it if nothing else. 00:04:15.736 --> 00:04:19.916 Yeah, I mean, did you tell me, did it become evident as to why that was important 00:04:19.916 --> 00:04:22.936 to the storyline in the very first episode or not? 00:04:23.036 --> 00:04:25.936 I don't recall. Okay, that's a fair point, sort of. 00:04:26.096 --> 00:04:28.876 We're getting hints of it in the first episode. You don't know everything. 00:04:28.876 --> 00:04:29.896 I don't know everything. 00:04:30.476 --> 00:04:35.196 We just get hints about it. I'm not even talking about that particularly. 00:04:35.196 --> 00:04:40.256 I'm talking about the fact that how many American action series start in an 00:04:40.256 --> 00:04:43.656 Arabic market and then something explodes. 00:04:44.396 --> 00:04:48.716 Like it happens a lot. Yeah, fair point. You know, the first people you see 00:04:48.716 --> 00:04:52.276 are a mom and a kid. Again, this is no spoilers. You see it within 10 seconds. 00:04:54.196 --> 00:04:58.956 That to me felt very obvious and unoriginal, but I think your point that it's 00:04:58.956 --> 00:05:00.736 leading to something else is well made. 00:05:01.536 --> 00:05:06.156 Yeah. And maybe that's why it didn't strike me as, you know, 00:05:06.236 --> 00:05:12.196 somewhat trite, because it does play a central role in what happens eventually. 00:05:12.976 --> 00:05:15.616 So we'll stop there. And that's absolutely fair enough. Yeah. 00:05:15.856 --> 00:05:18.656 Yeah. And I can see that it's getting towards that, but yeah. 00:05:19.136 --> 00:05:22.276 And then, as I say, the sort of first scene of Cambridge is, 00:05:22.436 --> 00:05:26.256 of course, on the water in a boat with light blue bows. 00:05:26.896 --> 00:05:29.076 Oars. Oh, goodness, I've offended. 00:05:29.756 --> 00:05:34.316 Light blue oars. Yes, the light blues. But I'm delighted to hear that, 00:05:34.476 --> 00:05:36.576 first of all, that it's hooked you. 00:05:36.716 --> 00:05:39.316 And so we will get to talk about it in depth later. 00:05:39.556 --> 00:05:44.456 But I also, you know, it sort of validates some of my feeling that there are 00:05:44.456 --> 00:05:47.476 so many of these shows that if you just give them, you know, 00:05:47.536 --> 00:05:50.596 an episode, maybe two, that they will hook you too. 00:05:51.016 --> 00:05:55.796 Even if you don't think they're necessarily in your area, give it a shot. 00:05:57.036 --> 00:06:01.196 There's a couple more things that I want to get at with you on the back of this. 00:06:01.636 --> 00:06:04.856 First of all, can we talk about the production quality? Sure. 00:06:05.999 --> 00:06:08.899 I mean, it's beautiful, isn't it? Absolutely. The way it's put together. 00:06:09.499 --> 00:06:13.379 Absolutely. And that continues through the series, and that's not a spoiler either. 00:06:13.659 --> 00:06:17.699 But they set the bar for quality, and they continue to deliver. 00:06:18.699 --> 00:06:21.939 I mean, the production values of it are so high. 00:06:22.819 --> 00:06:26.859 I'm not even talking about, you know, elaborating. I'm talking about in someone's 00:06:26.859 --> 00:06:30.939 house in Cambridge, in the halls of residence or whatever, in Cambridge, in the offices. 00:06:31.539 --> 00:06:36.159 Like, it is impeccably shot and put together, I thought. I thought it was stunning. 00:06:37.679 --> 00:06:42.359 And maybe that's why I didn't pick up on it exactly the way you did, 00:06:42.359 --> 00:06:46.059 because it did feel so much like you are right there. 00:06:46.799 --> 00:06:50.439 And I have no idea whether it was – I don't know if we shot on location or not, 00:06:50.539 --> 00:06:55.319 but it definitely gives you the feeling of, okay, this is what it's like there. 00:06:55.839 --> 00:07:01.319 And it's what you would expect it to be like there, or at least what has become 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:03.579 popularized as being at Cambridge. 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:08.899 It's a very good point about being shot on location. And I would be interested 00:07:08.899 --> 00:07:15.519 to know that because you'll not be sure that I did not attend Cambridge University. 00:07:15.919 --> 00:07:21.179 And so I don't have the sort of in-depth knowledge of what it looks like and so on. 00:07:21.459 --> 00:07:26.259 But obviously some bits are filmed to give you enough that it feels like you're 00:07:26.259 --> 00:07:28.479 there. I don't know if every scene was shot in that. 00:07:29.259 --> 00:07:32.359 Obviously there are enough of the quads and the things. oh yeah 00:07:32.359 --> 00:07:35.279 the other cliches we had the thing with the grass which is 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:38.359 a real thing at both oxford and cambridge that is 00:07:38.359 --> 00:07:43.819 a very real thing you're not allowed to walk on the grass um we learned very 00:07:43.819 --> 00:07:47.559 early on that the central character's mother is no longer there and we got that 00:07:47.559 --> 00:07:52.339 that was my other cliche the sort of i assume father going to him she'd be so 00:07:52.339 --> 00:07:55.579 proud of you like how many series do we see that in. 00:07:56.907 --> 00:08:01.087 That kind of thing. I'm being picky though, because it is a good series. 00:08:01.227 --> 00:08:03.527 I can see the show is going to get good. And I am in. 00:08:04.167 --> 00:08:08.067 Yeah. And again, it's interesting to hear your perspective on it, 00:08:08.087 --> 00:08:12.927 because I think you're, you are more of a critical watcher, not as in being 00:08:12.927 --> 00:08:15.947 harsh, but just in picking up some of those things. 00:08:16.487 --> 00:08:18.867 I'm a little bit more there for the story. 00:08:19.607 --> 00:08:23.807 And, you know, and yeah, I'm a pain in the butt. Yeah. No, I didn't say that now. 00:08:25.907 --> 00:08:32.567 But you know that okay certain things have to be set up in any series to you 00:08:32.567 --> 00:08:38.387 know to then continue through and if they're smart if the if the producers and 00:08:38.387 --> 00:08:42.367 the directors and the actors are smart they load a lot of that stuff up in front 00:08:42.367 --> 00:08:44.867 so that you you there's payoff later, 00:08:45.827 --> 00:08:49.547 i'll tell you what i think it is actually i think so much 00:08:49.547 --> 00:08:52.467 of it is smart and is clearly going to be really 00:08:52.467 --> 00:08:55.447 smart that the little things that clanged really 00:08:55.447 --> 00:08:59.027 clanged for me does that make sense yeah yeah 00:08:59.027 --> 00:09:02.527 that's that's an interesting point and i've 00:09:02.527 --> 00:09:05.527 yeah i've got to think about that given that you haven't seen the rest of the 00:09:05.527 --> 00:09:10.407 series yeah and i i'm i am looking forward to finding out what happens in the 00:09:10.407 --> 00:09:16.007 relationships and our central character and and so on yeah it's uh it's good 00:09:16.007 --> 00:09:21.827 i'm pleased you uh recommended it and flagged it up because i think i'm gonna enjoy it as it goes on um. 00:09:22.807 --> 00:09:27.087 I tell you what, before you do, I just want to say that you're about the fourth 00:09:27.087 --> 00:09:31.227 person who has had this reaction that has contacted me and said, 00:09:31.407 --> 00:09:37.907 I skipped over this, I didn't know about it, or I overlooked it, and now I'm into it. 00:09:38.087 --> 00:09:46.467 And so it validates my thinking on what makes, at least for part of the audience, a really good series. 00:09:47.067 --> 00:09:51.187 So I appreciate everyone who has contacted me and let me know. 00:09:52.027 --> 00:09:56.267 Yeah, and also it validates every discussion we've had on this show. 00:09:56.407 --> 00:09:59.667 Please go back and listen to them so we don't have to repeat ourselves on how 00:09:59.667 --> 00:10:03.047 bad Apple is at marketing some of these shows, that it clearly puts a lot of 00:10:03.047 --> 00:10:06.307 money into and are, as we say, impeccably produced. 00:10:06.407 --> 00:10:09.967 This is a stunningly shot show, and it could easily have disappeared. 00:10:10.307 --> 00:10:16.027 The other point I wanted to raise with you is about TV Plus shows set in England. 00:10:16.887 --> 00:10:20.927 We've had Slow Horses, which has been a huge hit, is brilliant. 00:10:20.927 --> 00:10:23.867 Again brilliantly shot and put together huge fan 00:10:23.867 --> 00:10:28.367 of it and now prime target to 00:10:28.367 --> 00:10:32.187 me the uk-based shows have 00:10:32.187 --> 00:10:39.267 a very distinct vibe to them what do you think to that am i getting am i looking 00:10:39.267 --> 00:10:43.287 too much into it am i taking it too personally um i know i don't think you're 00:10:43.287 --> 00:10:49.087 taking it personally i might throw out ted lasso is also uk-based and the vibe is very different. 00:10:50.607 --> 00:10:53.007 Because the central character is American. 00:10:55.179 --> 00:10:58.119 Um, well, it's also a comedy. 00:10:58.359 --> 00:11:02.979 And so that is a comedy, unlike prime target and slow horses. 00:11:03.179 --> 00:11:11.599 Yeah. Yes. So I don't, I mean, the, I guess the only vibe I get is that yes, there it's set in the UK. 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:19.059 And so there are UK things that you obviously don't have if it's set in New York or Los Angeles. 00:11:21.319 --> 00:11:24.139 But other than the fact that they're just really high 00:11:24.139 --> 00:11:27.279 quality shows and the cinematography is 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:32.259 great everything about both of those series that we're talking about are fantastic 00:11:32.259 --> 00:11:39.339 so I do not know if they come from the same studio I think they tend to have 00:11:39.339 --> 00:11:46.119 a grittier feel to them when Apple TV Plus has these shows from the UK I think, 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:51.299 um think of the vibe of slow horses in particular think 00:11:51.299 --> 00:11:54.239 of the opening you know it's quite those production courts 00:11:54.239 --> 00:11:57.759 it's quite dark bits of prime target 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:01.139 and you know it's which is accurate because that's you know the university is 00:12:01.139 --> 00:12:07.359 kind of quite dark and cloistered and old uh those the the uk shows seem to 00:12:07.359 --> 00:12:12.759 have that vibe i get the impression i would agree because i'm trying to trying 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:16.099 to think of what an American show would be that's like that. 00:12:18.319 --> 00:12:22.319 They're all quite bright. You know, shrinking, think of shrinking. 00:12:22.959 --> 00:12:28.959 That's a very bright, often dark topic, but it's a bright series. 00:12:30.299 --> 00:12:33.999 That's very true. And I do think that they're, 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:39.679 boy, I'm going to get in trouble for this, but I feel like that American television 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:43.939 right now, with some notable exceptions, seems to be a little bit, 00:12:44.059 --> 00:12:47.779 you used the word bright, I'll use the word light. 00:12:48.859 --> 00:12:54.999 There's a little bit too much humor, there's a little bit too much sarcasm for my taste. 00:12:55.299 --> 00:12:59.979 And I do tend to gravitate toward things like slow horses and like Prime Target 00:12:59.979 --> 00:13:02.959 that maybe take themselves a little more seriously. 00:13:05.270 --> 00:13:09.510 Does that make sense? Very interesting. Yeah, it does make sense. 00:13:10.330 --> 00:13:14.790 I'm just always fascinated. I also think it's like the American influence of 00:13:14.790 --> 00:13:17.950 how people in the US, particularly in California and Hollywood, 00:13:18.410 --> 00:13:21.890 kind of think of us in the UK, which I'm looking out the window. 00:13:22.110 --> 00:13:23.490 It's kind of nice and bright today. 00:13:24.050 --> 00:13:28.510 Hopefully it will continue in that vein. But we do occasionally get some sun 00:13:28.510 --> 00:13:30.690 and not grey days. But it's quite funny. 00:13:30.850 --> 00:13:34.530 It really strikes me when I watch shows like Slow Horses and now Prime Target, 00:13:34.530 --> 00:13:36.770 at the way they are set up. 00:13:36.910 --> 00:13:42.110 Well, and I'm sure you have certain thoughts about how America is portrayed, 00:13:42.110 --> 00:13:46.230 you know, in Los Angeles and Hollywood. 00:13:46.650 --> 00:13:54.690 And, you know, listen, I think in some ways both are deserved because they live up to it. 00:13:54.850 --> 00:13:57.690 You know, they live up to those. I don't know what you mean. 00:14:01.410 --> 00:14:04.250 I think we better stop there or we're going to get too many emails. 00:14:04.530 --> 00:14:13.770 Always sunny in london yes uh i've never moaned to you about being cold or wet 00:14:13.770 --> 00:14:18.970 or gray it's never happened chuck it's always beautiful and bright here absolutely 00:14:18.970 --> 00:14:20.890 everything is wonderful in the uk. 00:14:24.970 --> 00:14:28.910 So what else have you been up to we have a commitment to honesty to our audience, 00:14:31.090 --> 00:14:33.910 with that in mind now this is a story as you 00:14:33.910 --> 00:14:36.890 know that is kind of right in 00:14:36.890 --> 00:14:40.250 my I was going to say wheelhouse but that's too outrageous when 00:14:40.250 --> 00:14:43.110 you know what we're coming to discuss which is 00:14:43.110 --> 00:14:51.850 Apple's apparent interest in the rights to show Formula One on TV Plus now this 00:14:51.850 --> 00:14:55.490 is I write a lot about sports rights and streaming it's a huge part of the book 00:14:55.490 --> 00:15:01.390 that I have coming out in October there's the whole bit on sports and streaming. It's a huge deal. 00:15:03.110 --> 00:15:08.130 But Apple has generally done a couple of things with sports that we've touched on before. 00:15:08.890 --> 00:15:15.250 They've made anything they have, they made it global. So it's MLS season pass. 00:15:16.010 --> 00:15:21.910 It has MLS for 10 years around the world. If you want to watch that football 00:15:21.910 --> 00:15:24.030 tournament, soccer tournament, anywhere you are, 00:15:25.517 --> 00:15:29.157 You have to watch it through Apple TV Plus and buy the extra thing. 00:15:30.357 --> 00:15:35.437 Friday Night Baseball, which you don't have to pay extra for, that is also global. 00:15:37.937 --> 00:15:40.097 My understanding is that the 00:15:40.097 --> 00:15:45.397 F1 is not going to be global. It's just going to be in the US, I think. 00:15:46.017 --> 00:15:48.397 So that's another shift from Apple, isn't it? 00:15:50.377 --> 00:15:53.957 And i don't know if this would be apple sent apple 00:15:53.957 --> 00:15:57.137 dictated or whether it's the the ruling bodies 00:15:57.137 --> 00:16:02.257 of that sport or the i'm not i i've confessed i am woefully ignorant of how 00:16:02.257 --> 00:16:07.437 formula one is organized so i don't know yeah it's not my particular vibe either 00:16:07.437 --> 00:16:12.437 of all the sports i watch formula one is quite down the list yeah i don't know 00:16:12.437 --> 00:16:16.177 if like in the u.s with with our football teams, 00:16:16.977 --> 00:16:20.657 American football, you know, if there are the different clubs, 00:16:20.657 --> 00:16:27.317 I would think in Formula One, there would be the racing teams would probably 00:16:27.317 --> 00:16:31.277 have some say over some things as to who races in which race. 00:16:31.637 --> 00:16:36.817 So again, I'm way outside my depth here. Well, it's two drivers per race, isn't it? 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:41.239 From each team yeah but 00:16:41.239 --> 00:16:44.879 they but i would think that i mean there's there's 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:47.699 ferrari team there you know the different teams i don't know 00:16:47.699 --> 00:16:50.659 how that's organized in relation to the same 00:16:50.659 --> 00:16:54.179 team with the same two drivers in every race assuming they're 00:16:54.179 --> 00:17:00.619 fit and well yeah but i you know so this may be something that was was offered 00:17:00.619 --> 00:17:06.299 to apple and apple took it um i have to think it's not lot of coincidence after 00:17:06.299 --> 00:17:10.979 F1 the movie because they had to have a lot of cooperation from Formula One. 00:17:11.379 --> 00:17:16.839 And as a result, maybe that's how the interest started. 00:17:17.019 --> 00:17:19.819 And this is pure speculation, but it would seem to make a lot of sense. 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:27.019 And the sport itself has to be really pleased with the success of F1 the movie 00:17:27.019 --> 00:17:29.559 because it's drawn a great deal of attention to them. 00:17:30.399 --> 00:17:34.499 Yeah. In the same way, it has to be pleased with the success of Drive to Survive on Netflix. 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:40.119 I mean I won't get too diverting but basically the last time I ever watched 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:46.359 Formula 1 was, it was in the midst of the pandemic so it might be 2020 or you know end of 2020, 00:17:46.859 --> 00:17:50.499 maybe whatever it was the 00:17:50.499 --> 00:17:53.479 end of the season in which there was the bust up between 00:17:53.479 --> 00:17:56.519 Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton 00:17:56.519 --> 00:18:01.279 basically felt he'd been cheated out of the title by one decision and there 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:03.739 was a conspiracy theory at the time and I suggest it was the only conspiracy 00:18:03.739 --> 00:18:10.159 theory that this kind of crazy ending to the controversial ending to the season 00:18:10.159 --> 00:18:15.619 had been done knowing that people would want to watch drives to survive on the back of it. 00:18:18.159 --> 00:18:25.159 So my point being these shows these adjacent bits of content if you like have 00:18:25.159 --> 00:18:30.339 attracted people to the sport you're you know you're absolutely right uh that 00:18:30.339 --> 00:18:31.799 they must be pleased with formula one, 00:18:32.719 --> 00:18:35.339 As I understand it, basically, with these rights, 00:18:36.179 --> 00:18:38.479 Apple has just blown ESPN out of the water. 00:18:41.316 --> 00:18:45.116 Which tells us something about the direction of where things are going as well. 00:18:45.476 --> 00:18:48.756 The ESPN basically didn't bother to bid once a new Apple wanted. 00:18:48.956 --> 00:18:51.916 And Apple is now the sole bidder for these rights. 00:18:53.896 --> 00:18:59.416 I'm not sure if I were involved in the F1 negotiations from the F1 side, 00:18:59.656 --> 00:19:07.076 I'm not sure that I would be very happy about ESPN just pulling up stakes and leaving. Sure. 00:19:08.136 --> 00:19:12.176 For quite a few reasons. Yeah, I mean, if I slant it one way, 00:19:12.356 --> 00:19:15.616 it's, oh, you weren't interested enough in this, and as soon as we got somebody 00:19:15.616 --> 00:19:18.856 else bidding, you know, you just surrendered? 00:19:19.216 --> 00:19:22.916 Or did you, because you thought that we're the big dog in town, 00:19:23.136 --> 00:19:27.136 and, you know, so you're like a spoiled little child and, you know, leaving? 00:19:28.316 --> 00:19:30.796 You know, you can take it a lot of different ways. 00:19:32.116 --> 00:19:37.496 But at the end of the day, I don't, I feel like ESPN, and again, 00:19:37.516 --> 00:19:40.556 I'm sure this is going to insult some people. I feel like ESPN, 00:19:40.656 --> 00:19:46.676 though, is losing its grip a little bit on being the place for sports. 00:19:47.576 --> 00:19:54.516 Oh, listen, we could do a whole separate podcast with me on sports streaming and sports output. 00:19:54.796 --> 00:19:57.556 And there was a huge thing that was a big American story, wasn't there, 00:19:57.596 --> 00:20:01.576 about TNT losing rights to the basketball, to the NBA. 00:20:02.036 --> 00:20:06.096 There's all sorts of things. But just on this specific deal, 00:20:06.396 --> 00:20:10.496 because I think your point about ESPN is kind of well made anyway, 00:20:10.676 --> 00:20:14.476 but I think it's fascinating that this is what Apple wanted to get into. 00:20:15.696 --> 00:20:18.836 And it can't have been a coincidence about the timing. 00:20:19.076 --> 00:20:22.636 You and I both know these decisions are not made overnight. You don't throw 00:20:22.636 --> 00:20:28.976 millions of pounds on the table to bid for a global sport because you suddenly 00:20:28.976 --> 00:20:30.356 realize the film's doing well. 00:20:30.496 --> 00:20:33.976 That's not how this works. The film didn't pop up overnight. 00:20:34.216 --> 00:20:37.216 That's not how this works. But... 00:20:37.967 --> 00:20:43.687 Do I believe they suddenly saw the possibility of these two things colliding? 00:20:44.067 --> 00:20:45.787 I think you have to say yes. 00:20:46.307 --> 00:20:52.767 We talked last time out about the success of the film. It's only got more successful since we spoke. 00:20:53.267 --> 00:20:57.247 There's hundreds of millions of dollars being generated at the box office by this film. 00:20:59.567 --> 00:21:03.607 Apple has decided to get into this game. I find that really fascinating. 00:21:03.607 --> 00:21:06.767 I do think the two are running in parallel with each other. 00:21:07.627 --> 00:21:15.227 I agree. I agree. I think the last number I saw officially announced was a global 00:21:15.227 --> 00:21:21.647 box office of over 540 million, which not too shabby. 00:21:21.647 --> 00:21:30.007 Well, it was 300 million a month, sort of a month before we recorded this show in early July. 00:21:30.667 --> 00:21:36.047 So, yeah. And again, if I remember or am remembering correctly, 00:21:36.067 --> 00:21:42.347 they're going to re-release it back into the IMAX theaters sometime in August. Oh, interesting. 00:21:42.707 --> 00:21:45.007 So that could push the numbers up even more. 00:21:45.767 --> 00:21:49.847 Bottom line, I think you're right. I think that this was maybe a relationship 00:21:49.847 --> 00:21:55.447 that started to be established when they were working the movie and both sides 00:21:55.447 --> 00:21:59.867 maybe came to see each other as being able to do things mutually beneficial. 00:22:00.767 --> 00:22:02.267 But I'm with you. 00:22:03.527 --> 00:22:09.107 Sorry, go ahead. No, I was just going to say, of course, you made the film. 00:22:09.347 --> 00:22:13.667 You can always not put the bid in, even if you've planned to, if it doesn't work. 00:22:14.147 --> 00:22:15.687 But if you have the plan to put 00:22:15.687 --> 00:22:20.227 the bid in, you can do those things in parallel to each other, as I say. 00:22:20.807 --> 00:22:25.367 Go on, you were saying. Yeah. Well, you sort of went where I was going, 00:22:25.547 --> 00:22:29.967 thinking that this would seem like a natural thing, that if one hits, 00:22:30.207 --> 00:22:35.367 then you follow it up with the, if the drama hits, you follow it up with the real thing. 00:22:35.647 --> 00:22:37.607 Because now suddenly people are interested. 00:22:39.659 --> 00:22:44.099 Do we think Apple's going to do more sport? I always try and nudge you back 00:22:44.099 --> 00:22:46.039 to this subject because it's one I'm obsessed with. 00:22:47.419 --> 00:22:51.179 But, I mean, it's getting more and more interested. Like F1, 00:22:51.259 --> 00:22:53.419 that is a big sport to be getting involved in. 00:22:55.659 --> 00:23:04.519 Think about, Shola, think about the discussions we had when they were courting, well, in the U.S. 00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:06.799 Soccer, on your side of the pond, football. 00:23:07.439 --> 00:23:12.899 And how we weren't sure about that and how there were so many possibilities, 00:23:12.899 --> 00:23:15.219 but was it really a good fit? 00:23:15.899 --> 00:23:19.739 I sort of think what we're seeing here with Apple is what they do on almost 00:23:19.739 --> 00:23:22.299 everything is that they play that long game. 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:27.159 And just this week, and I'm not going to take us down a rabbit hole, 00:23:27.399 --> 00:23:35.779 I promise, but Tim Cook in a discussion about AI has said that Apple is seldom first. 00:23:36.899 --> 00:23:39.139 And I feel like that might be the excuse. 00:23:40.719 --> 00:23:44.419 Well, you can call it an excuse or you can call it a philosophy, 00:23:44.419 --> 00:23:46.499 you know, that they stick to. 00:23:46.679 --> 00:23:52.019 I think in that instance, it is a beautiful bit of spin by Tim Cook. 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:58.779 But the essence of what you're saying is 100% true. 00:23:59.019 --> 00:24:02.059 They weren't the first company to make an MP3 player. They weren't the first 00:24:02.059 --> 00:24:03.059 company to make a smartphone. 00:24:03.339 --> 00:24:05.699 They weren't the first company to make PCs. 00:24:06.439 --> 00:24:09.699 They just did it better each time. Yeah, they weren't the first company to make a tablet. 00:24:11.379 --> 00:24:16.799 But they just did it better. They did it better. And so I feel like now those 00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:18.319 are product categories. 00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:26.299 Here we're talking about a category of content for their TV streaming service. 00:24:26.739 --> 00:24:32.799 But, yeah, okay, so they've had some success with football slash soccer. 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:37.099 They've had some success now, or it appears, well, that's not fair. 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:40.919 We will see what kind of success they have with F1. They have had some success 00:24:40.919 --> 00:24:44.619 with baseball in the way they've approached it. 00:24:44.779 --> 00:24:49.099 So is this just more of the Apple modus operandi that, yeah, 00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:51.279 we're just going to nibble away at it. We're going to play with it. 00:24:51.399 --> 00:24:55.559 We're going to make the deals where we can get them and get people interested 00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:58.539 in our streaming platform as a place to deliver sports. 00:24:59.474 --> 00:25:05.454 I mean, it did take a swing at baseball quite early, which I was surprised about at the time. 00:25:07.334 --> 00:25:14.074 Just on the MLS, it is back. There's games from Sunday the 10th of August again. 00:25:14.774 --> 00:25:18.774 And it has now become relevant to my life, Chuck. I've always dismissed it, 00:25:18.894 --> 00:25:21.854 haven't I, and refused to buy the season pass and not really engaged. 00:25:22.994 --> 00:25:28.054 But now my favourite footballer is heading to Los Angeles FC. 00:25:29.474 --> 00:25:32.074 And I think I might have to watch him because I miss him already. 00:25:33.454 --> 00:25:36.794 So how do you feel about that, Charlotte? That's a serious question. 00:25:37.534 --> 00:25:41.334 How do I feel about what aspect of it? How do I feel about Sonja Min leaving Spurs? 00:25:41.934 --> 00:25:46.474 Heartbroken, but it's the right time. How do I feel about him going to LA? 00:25:46.474 --> 00:25:47.774 I think it's a great decision. 00:25:48.754 --> 00:25:53.094 Lovely life in Los Angeles. There's a huge Korean community there, which will be great. 00:25:54.914 --> 00:25:58.934 I don't know if I can bring myself to watch the MLS, though. 00:25:59.854 --> 00:26:04.954 Well, that was the question I was really asking, is will this cause you, 00:26:05.054 --> 00:26:08.414 because you have a favorite player who has gone there now, 00:26:08.634 --> 00:26:15.414 will that cause you to pay more attention to it as opposed to just saying, oh, he's gone? 00:26:15.834 --> 00:26:17.754 No, the serious answer is yes. 00:26:19.243 --> 00:26:23.763 Um, but I don't, yeah, I'll be interested to see how it plays out. 00:26:23.903 --> 00:26:26.603 I'd be able to see because there's some games I'm sure I've been able to see 00:26:26.603 --> 00:26:29.543 for free. So I would be interested in that. 00:26:29.683 --> 00:26:31.963 Yes. I don't know if I'll splash out for a season pass. 00:26:32.363 --> 00:26:34.903 If nothing else, the time zone changes don't really suit. 00:26:35.543 --> 00:26:43.023 But, uh, yeah, I think it's, it is the type of move that would make me interested. 00:26:43.143 --> 00:26:46.503 It is of course, you know, Lionel Messi, the biggest superstar in football. 00:26:48.043 --> 00:26:54.663 They brought him to the MLS and I'm sure it attracted people to watch that league 00:26:54.663 --> 00:26:59.163 Son Heung-min will be the same with Korea in North London. 00:27:00.803 --> 00:27:07.603 Where the supporters of Tottenham like me worship him so that's going to be 00:27:07.603 --> 00:27:14.903 really interesting to watch as a development from our perspective from an Apple perspective, 00:27:15.943 --> 00:27:22.443 you know see whether we suddenly see a surge of subscriptions in Seoul or something 00:27:22.443 --> 00:27:24.603 will be very interesting to see 00:27:24.603 --> 00:27:32.623 I can't I can't overstate how much of a superstar human song is in Korea. 00:27:35.263 --> 00:27:41.983 For you know when I go to games in London you just see a huge vast swathes of 00:27:41.983 --> 00:27:45.983 Korean fans coming to the games which is wonderful i hope i'm a bit sad i hope 00:27:45.983 --> 00:27:49.463 they continue um but uh it's hard to, 00:27:49.943 --> 00:27:53.603 it's going to be very significant i think for the league in that respect as well, 00:27:54.203 --> 00:27:59.203 uh never mind me begrudgingly buying a subscription finally buying a subscription, 00:28:01.183 --> 00:28:05.103 but charlotte i have to warn you now he's going to la so it's going to kind 00:28:05.103 --> 00:28:09.943 of be light and bright and all that so just be prepared lovely yeah well i think 00:28:09.943 --> 00:28:13.103 that's part of the reason he is going to LA from North London, 00:28:14.968 --> 00:28:17.688 I think that's quite a good reason to make the move, if nothing else. 00:28:19.268 --> 00:28:20.708 Do you want to go to New England? 00:28:20.968 --> 00:28:23.268 No, I'm all right. I'll go to Hollywood. 00:28:25.708 --> 00:28:30.928 So when are you going to make the move to LA? No, I don't think I could do it. 00:28:31.088 --> 00:28:32.628 It's a long way from home, Chuck. 00:28:33.548 --> 00:28:36.428 Okay. Yeah, I understand. I know that someone reports on entertainment should 00:28:36.428 --> 00:28:39.788 at least spend some time there, but that is a long way. That is a long journey. 00:28:41.348 --> 00:28:46.288 Yeah. Maybe we'll compromise on New York. We'll be in the same time zone then, you and I. 00:28:46.888 --> 00:28:49.768 Yeah, that would make scheduling some of these recordings easier, 00:28:49.768 --> 00:28:53.268 no question about that. Well, there you go. For you, I'll do it. 00:28:54.428 --> 00:28:57.048 Talking of scheduling, there's a little bit coming out. 00:28:58.808 --> 00:29:04.008 You are interested in Chief of War, I believe. I am. You're on Jason Momoa. 00:29:04.568 --> 00:29:09.608 I am. The first two episodes have dropped, and I have not watched either one 00:29:09.608 --> 00:29:12.648 yet because I have so many things. 00:29:12.788 --> 00:29:15.588 But you know what, Charlotte? Again, I'm going to divert a little bit because 00:29:15.588 --> 00:29:19.548 this is the point I wanted to make, and I'm curious to see if you follow it at all. 00:29:20.568 --> 00:29:25.928 I'm finding more and more of my TV viewing time taken up by Apple TV. 00:29:27.528 --> 00:29:32.668 Yeah, you often say this. Well, look, Chief of War is out now. 00:29:32.828 --> 00:29:34.408 Slow Horses is coming out next. 00:29:34.808 --> 00:29:37.228 Foundation is dropping episodes as we speak. 00:29:38.208 --> 00:29:41.388 Yep. Oh, Invasion Season 3 is coming out. 00:29:43.468 --> 00:29:48.548 And I know there are at least two or three other shows in the wings that have 00:29:48.548 --> 00:29:53.168 caught my attention just enough to say, I'll give an episode or two a try. 00:29:54.389 --> 00:29:59.649 Oh, there is no doubt that there is a lot to watch on that platform that is 00:29:59.649 --> 00:30:00.869 appealing to me. Absolutely. 00:30:01.289 --> 00:30:07.209 You and I don't particularly like the same shows, but absolutely, I agree with you. 00:30:07.489 --> 00:30:12.949 I'm just on the Apple TV Plus PR page, actually, and we finally have Ted Lasso 00:30:12.949 --> 00:30:15.309 Season 4 branded as coming soon. 00:30:16.889 --> 00:30:22.529 And you've seen the scenes, I'm sure, so have I, of them shooting Season 4. 00:30:23.309 --> 00:30:29.149 Yes. Yeah, yeah. I think we are going to have to dedicate quite a bit of time to that, Chuck. 00:30:30.129 --> 00:30:34.289 And, you know, maybe as we wrap up the conversation here, I think it's just 00:30:34.289 --> 00:30:39.269 important for folks to take a good hard look at it and realize the value you're 00:30:39.269 --> 00:30:44.509 getting out of Apple TV+. And if it sounds like I'm promoting it, okay, I am promoting it. 00:30:45.709 --> 00:30:48.789 Neither Charlotte or I get any kickback. Unfortunately, they haven't called 00:30:48.789 --> 00:30:51.829 us yet. They're welcome to. Yeah, absolutely. 00:30:52.929 --> 00:30:56.909 Yeah, we'll put our numbers in the show notes for you. 00:30:57.289 --> 00:31:03.189 But when I compare that to the amount of value I'm seeing out of some other 00:31:03.189 --> 00:31:09.689 streaming services, as measured by how many shows that I watch from those or 00:31:09.689 --> 00:31:11.929 am interested and I know are coming out. 00:31:13.309 --> 00:31:17.709 Apple TV Plus keeps rising to the top, if not topping everybody else. 00:31:17.709 --> 00:31:22.149 Well, I think they do do stuff that appeals to you because they've really made 00:31:22.149 --> 00:31:27.569 a kind of strong play in the sci-fi space, which I know works for you. 00:31:28.009 --> 00:31:31.089 So I think that's probably why it's pushing towards you. 00:31:31.489 --> 00:31:36.269 I should also add, not that just over a month after we're recording this, 00:31:36.369 --> 00:31:40.769 we've got The Morning Show season four coming out, which also is another big hit. 00:31:41.769 --> 00:31:46.929 I got quite fed up with it. Season two, I did not like at all, as you know. 00:31:47.829 --> 00:31:52.549 The COVID season. Right. See, it was season two or season three, the COVID season. 00:31:53.349 --> 00:31:58.749 Season two, I believe. I think it was season two. So season three, uh, 00:31:59.682 --> 00:32:03.042 Was a bit better if you accept they're just making fun of Elon Musk. 00:32:03.702 --> 00:32:06.902 So I'm very intrigued to see what they do in season four. I'll certainly be 00:32:06.902 --> 00:32:08.662 watching that. That's the 17th of September. 00:32:09.802 --> 00:32:14.282 So, yeah, once again, a steady flow of stuff coming out even over the summer. 00:32:14.422 --> 00:32:19.902 So Chief of War was out just a few days ago, as was at the other end of the 00:32:19.902 --> 00:32:23.342 scale, Stillwater season four, the children's cartoon, which is rather sweet. 00:32:24.942 --> 00:32:28.602 Platonic season two is out today, the day we're recording this. um 00:32:28.602 --> 00:32:32.042 a show you and i've discussed um highlighted was 00:32:32.042 --> 00:32:34.962 coming just because of its sort of historical significance i can 00:32:34.962 --> 00:32:38.482 put it that way is snoopy presents a summer musical that's 00:32:38.482 --> 00:32:41.842 on the 15th of august um which is 00:32:41.842 --> 00:32:45.002 beautifully timed for me kind of 00:32:45.002 --> 00:32:48.442 chilling out not being at work recovering 00:32:48.442 --> 00:32:51.402 from going to a music festival it's really 00:32:51.402 --> 00:32:54.242 not you know to chill out with some snoopy some peanuts i think that's really 00:32:54.242 --> 00:33:01.362 nice i just have this image of you you know recovering from the the metal music 00:33:01.362 --> 00:33:05.262 festival you're going to sitting there in your pajamas with your feet up watching 00:33:05.262 --> 00:33:11.542 snoopy i mean it's just it it fits that's an entirely accurate image it fits. 00:33:13.342 --> 00:33:16.462 That's 100 what's happening okay yeah 00:33:16.462 --> 00:33:19.102 okay okay maybe we can do a 00:33:19.102 --> 00:33:23.202 live stream maybe you know we should do a live stream of you watching snoopy 00:33:23.202 --> 00:33:27.602 that i like that no one needs that we could do a live stream of this episode 00:33:27.602 --> 00:33:30.762 just finishing on chief of war because i do have to ask you this because you 00:33:30.762 --> 00:33:37.142 mentioned both jason momoa and heavy metal have you seen the images of him, 00:33:37.982 --> 00:33:40.782 at the final ever black sabbath concert rest 00:33:40.782 --> 00:33:44.662 in peace aussie in the in the marsh pit yes amazing 00:33:44.662 --> 00:33:47.262 yes amazing yes that's a 00:33:47.262 --> 00:33:51.202 fan that is a fan just fantastic work fantastic work 00:33:51.202 --> 00:33:54.622 all around well before we go 00:33:54.622 --> 00:34:00.202 on a musical uh diversion where can people find you talking all things apple 00:34:00.202 --> 00:34:06.502 you can find me at macvoices.com that's where um we're getting back around to 00:34:06.502 --> 00:34:12.262 doing a few more developer interviews as well as coming covering the apple topics of the moment, 00:34:12.982 --> 00:34:15.162 and maybe there'll be a few other surprises coming. 00:34:16.291 --> 00:34:20.811 Where can folks find you, Charlotte? So head over to theedition.net for blog 00:34:20.811 --> 00:34:26.611 posts, podcasts, live blogs, and of course newsletter, which if you sign up, 00:34:27.311 --> 00:34:32.451 I will love you very much for the paid version especially, which is a mere £50 a month. 00:34:32.591 --> 00:34:36.371 I send out two full newsletters each week. 00:34:37.011 --> 00:34:41.991 So that's all over at theedition.net. And I think for £50 a year, 00:34:42.091 --> 00:34:47.791 you get quite a lot of value, all things at the crossover of culture, media, and sport. 00:34:48.571 --> 00:34:51.331 We're going to watch TV because we've got a lot to catch up on, 00:34:51.491 --> 00:34:52.731 and we'll see you next time then. 00:34:53.651 --> 00:34:59.431 But Charlotte, before we go, give us an update on the book because you mentioned 00:34:59.431 --> 00:35:00.891 it in passing a minute ago. 00:35:01.491 --> 00:35:06.691 The book is done. I've finished it. I'm under strict instructions not to write 00:35:06.691 --> 00:35:10.331 anymore, edit anymore, breathe anywhere near the manuscript. 00:35:10.331 --> 00:35:14.751 It is done. It is available on Amazon, all other places where you can buy a book. 00:35:14.931 --> 00:35:18.551 It's called Streaming Wars. You'll get your copy October the 3rd in the UK, 00:35:19.011 --> 00:35:21.351 October 23rd, I think, in the US. 00:35:22.471 --> 00:35:27.231 Great. Thank you. Because I'm interested in seeing what you've put together this time. 00:35:27.951 --> 00:35:32.611 Yeah. It's there. It's done. And I hope people read it and enjoy it. 00:35:33.251 --> 00:35:36.531 And we will be back after Charlotte watches Snoopy. 00:35:36.851 --> 00:35:42.671 And maybe give her a little extra time off to recover from that too. See you then.