WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:10.000 Music. 00:00:10.508 --> 00:00:17.028 Hello, and welcome to TV Plus Talk. I'm Charlotte Henry. He is Chuck Joyner. Hey, Chuck, how are you? 00:00:17.648 --> 00:00:21.608 I'm great, Charlotte. It's good to see you. Glad you're back from your travels 00:00:21.608 --> 00:00:24.548 and fully engaged with Apple TV Plus. 00:00:25.448 --> 00:00:29.908 Certainly, yeah, we're back. We're here to discuss all things Apple TV Plus 00:00:29.908 --> 00:00:31.668 as we do more and more frequently. 00:00:31.828 --> 00:00:35.728 There's some really interesting stuff to talk this week, actually. 00:00:36.708 --> 00:00:40.388 What the main thing and we'll dive straight into it actually 00:00:40.388 --> 00:00:43.268 isn't on tv plus yet but it 00:00:43.268 --> 00:00:47.228 is a piece of apple work and that 00:00:47.228 --> 00:00:51.688 is of course f1 starring uh 00:00:51.688 --> 00:00:54.728 brad pitt have you had a chance to go to the 00:00:54.728 --> 00:00:57.608 cinema slash theater as you call it and watch this 00:00:57.608 --> 00:01:00.888 chuck yet i i did not charlotte um it 00:01:00.888 --> 00:01:03.928 was just a busy kind of weekend but uh i've 00:01:03.928 --> 00:01:06.988 i definitely want to see this in the theater because the trailers 00:01:06.988 --> 00:01:10.288 have been at least from my perspective really amazing 00:01:10.288 --> 00:01:16.268 and so i'm anxious to see if it holds up and especially since there was so much 00:01:16.268 --> 00:01:20.828 effort put into this to put it on the big screen where it sounds like it probably 00:01:20.828 --> 00:01:27.408 should be yeah it does seem to have the kind of big scream vibe, doesn't it? 00:01:27.568 --> 00:01:31.728 It's obviously a film about the story around F1 in particular. 00:01:31.928 --> 00:01:36.088 We'll delve into the story in a minute, but I want to delve into the numbers first of all. 00:01:36.428 --> 00:01:42.948 So we learned, I've got the numbers up via deadline, we learned on Sunday morning that it is. 00:01:45.188 --> 00:01:53.668 Done $144 million worldwide, 55.6 million loads of domestic, i.e. the U.S., 00:01:54.997 --> 00:01:57.837 That's not a terrible return, I would say, is it? 00:01:58.237 --> 00:02:03.877 That's pretty good. I think so, especially given the current state of the movie 00:02:03.877 --> 00:02:05.657 industry, at least here in the US, 00:02:06.297 --> 00:02:12.057 and also some of the disappointing numbers Apple has had for some other theatrical 00:02:12.057 --> 00:02:15.597 releases that they thought were going to blow the socks off everyone, 00:02:15.597 --> 00:02:17.497 and they just kind of didn't. 00:02:18.737 --> 00:02:23.357 Yeah, exactly. I mean, if you're employing Brad Pitt and Javier Bardem, 00:02:23.357 --> 00:02:24.817 you do expect to get your money back. 00:02:24.997 --> 00:02:28.917 But it's a pretty decent start, I would say. 00:02:30.377 --> 00:02:34.477 What do you think about this tactic of going straight to theatre? 00:02:36.237 --> 00:02:39.417 You know, Charlotte, I've been giving this a lot of thought. Yeah. 00:02:39.697 --> 00:02:47.037 And I think that not just Apple, but I think the movie industry needs to evolve 00:02:47.037 --> 00:02:51.637 a bit because I think that some of the –, 00:02:52.817 --> 00:02:56.437 I don't know that the movie theaters have to all be blockbusters, 00:02:56.677 --> 00:02:59.697 all be super intense action films. 00:03:00.137 --> 00:03:03.917 But I think that the days of being able to just stick something up on the big 00:03:03.917 --> 00:03:07.237 screen and say, oh, it's a rom-com, it's a comedy. 00:03:07.537 --> 00:03:13.117 And even with a big name, you know, it's just not going to pull people into 00:03:13.117 --> 00:03:14.977 the theaters at the expense. 00:03:15.537 --> 00:03:19.317 Because most of us, and this may be a first world situation, 00:03:19.317 --> 00:03:23.157 and that's fine. But most of us have a decent screen at home. 00:03:23.377 --> 00:03:28.297 If you care about video at all, you have invested in a decent sound system. 00:03:28.557 --> 00:03:33.337 No, it's probably not going to be the theater experience. 00:03:33.757 --> 00:03:38.297 But we're back to that question of what's good enough. And I'm starting to wonder 00:03:38.297 --> 00:03:48.697 if for rom-coms and for comedies and for the super socially conscious videos and, 00:03:48.717 --> 00:03:51.317 excuse me, and films that are coming out. 00:03:52.177 --> 00:03:57.757 I'm not sure that people feel justified in going and spending the kind of money 00:03:57.757 --> 00:03:59.717 that the theaters are asking for, 00:03:59.977 --> 00:04:04.877 paying for the popcorn and the drinks that are ridiculously priced, 00:04:04.917 --> 00:04:07.277 but that's the way the theaters have to make money. 00:04:07.417 --> 00:04:12.257 And I think the theaters maybe need to think about this as well as the folks 00:04:12.257 --> 00:04:15.437 that are making the movies. And now that brings us back to Apple. 00:04:16.077 --> 00:04:22.337 This clearly is one that uh and you just said brad pitt i'm not sure brad pitt's 00:04:22.337 --> 00:04:27.337 the thing that's selling the movie it's not it's not it's not a bad thing but 00:04:27.337 --> 00:04:31.497 i think about some of the earlier movies that didn't work out so well and they 00:04:31.497 --> 00:04:34.297 had pretty high profile stars and directors, 00:04:34.957 --> 00:04:36.917 and it just didn't happen. 00:04:39.717 --> 00:04:43.037 Yes a lot of what you said is true i think brad pitt does help sell tickets 00:04:43.037 --> 00:04:46.757 let's be clear still I think Javier Bardem's to help start a ticket there's 00:04:46.757 --> 00:04:51.637 Dams and Idris in there I think they all help start sell tickets um. 00:04:52.837 --> 00:04:55.517 I just want to go back to your initial point because I was nodding along, 00:04:55.997 --> 00:05:02.337 sort of like one of those dogs, because I agreed with an awful lot of what you said. 00:05:02.457 --> 00:05:07.617 I actually have written a bit about this in the book called Streaming Wars, 00:05:07.617 --> 00:05:12.717 about this idea that for most people watching at home is a more comfortable 00:05:12.717 --> 00:05:15.757 experience because their system at home is good enough. 00:05:15.957 --> 00:05:19.837 They don't have to listen to some random person chomping on overpriced snacks. 00:05:20.597 --> 00:05:25.357 Um they can put you know how many times have I moaned to you about how long movies are, 00:05:26.437 --> 00:05:29.257 and you know you can pause and use the 00:05:29.257 --> 00:05:31.997 bathroom and get you know top up your drink or 00:05:31.997 --> 00:05:34.857 whatever I think for a lot of people being at 00:05:34.857 --> 00:05:40.737 home is if not a better experience a more than good enough experience and the 00:05:40.737 --> 00:05:44.677 industry hasn't really come to contend with that so I agree with a lot of what 00:05:44.677 --> 00:05:54.817 you said there um of course for apple and similar i think being in the theaters gives them an air of, 00:05:55.597 --> 00:05:59.197 credibility still do you know what i mean it's a bit like look we're a proper 00:05:59.197 --> 00:06:02.937 movie it's a proper movie we're in the theaters it can be nominated for awards 00:06:02.937 --> 00:06:08.297 blah blah blah blah blah i think that still is a thing that exists i don't know 00:06:08.297 --> 00:06:11.577 if you agree with that but i think there's a lot of that going on as well. 00:06:12.857 --> 00:06:18.477 No, I do agree with it. I think, though, that Apple, especially the way they're 00:06:18.477 --> 00:06:21.377 doing things, I think they need to be cognizant of what they're putting in the 00:06:21.377 --> 00:06:23.457 theaters more so than ever before. 00:06:25.217 --> 00:06:29.297 The theaters, at some point, I think, felt maybe aspirational for Apple, 00:06:29.437 --> 00:06:35.557 that we need the big stars, we need the big story to justify getting into the theaters. 00:06:35.557 --> 00:06:41.497 And now I think it's changed where we need to strategically think about what 00:06:41.497 --> 00:06:47.517 we're going to push into the theaters versus what we're going to push out through our own channels. 00:06:48.137 --> 00:06:54.677 And I just think it's an evolving world out there that Hollywood and the movie 00:06:54.677 --> 00:06:57.257 theaters have failed to recognize. 00:06:58.397 --> 00:07:03.457 Do you think, though, that that risk making some of what they put out a bit 00:07:03.457 --> 00:07:07.837 of a two-tier release system? like this film is really important because it's 00:07:07.837 --> 00:07:10.837 going straight to theatre some of the other films they put out, 00:07:11.706 --> 00:07:14.526 won't be as important because they're just 00:07:14.526 --> 00:07:17.486 going to just i say in inverted commas going to 00:07:17.486 --> 00:07:21.646 tv plus do you think there's a risk of that i think 00:07:21.646 --> 00:07:27.066 there could be as as we all learn to think about movie theaters differently 00:07:27.066 --> 00:07:31.526 and that's assuming anybody subscribes to my theories um you know some people 00:07:31.526 --> 00:07:35.686 are still going to see the theater as a theater and they may or may not be thinking 00:07:35.686 --> 00:07:37.786 about it deeply as far as, 00:07:38.046 --> 00:07:43.266 okay, do I go and invest my money and time, and I want to talk about that in 00:07:43.266 --> 00:07:48.866 a minute, in F1 this weekend, or do I want to watch either something that has 00:07:48.866 --> 00:07:51.546 now come out on streaming, 00:07:52.006 --> 00:07:54.166 not come out on video, but come out on streaming? 00:07:54.586 --> 00:07:57.386 Yeah, you nearly did it. You're going to get it in Blockbuster. 00:07:57.826 --> 00:08:03.786 Well, exactly, yeah. But is it on streaming where I can enjoy it in my home? 00:08:03.786 --> 00:08:07.586 To your point, you know, with my snacks and in my environment, 00:08:07.906 --> 00:08:13.246 you know, that's, it's a tough choice. 00:08:14.446 --> 00:08:18.426 But I want to throw one more thing in the mix, too, and see what your reaction is to it. 00:08:18.746 --> 00:08:24.426 And that is this attention span thing that we're all watching develop. 00:08:25.486 --> 00:08:27.266 And it seems- You mean I don't have one? 00:08:29.386 --> 00:08:34.486 Well, we all have smaller ones, and they seem to be getting smaller as we go 00:08:34.486 --> 00:08:38.066 along, or shorter, because now we have AI. 00:08:38.386 --> 00:08:42.946 And AI is taking long things and summarizing them for us. 00:08:43.926 --> 00:08:49.246 And, you know, we have the TL, too long, don't read thing. Yeah, TL, do. 00:08:49.726 --> 00:08:53.566 Okay, so, you know, you send me an article and it's too long, 00:08:53.646 --> 00:08:55.126 don't read, but here's a summary. 00:08:55.126 --> 00:09:00.946 And so that kind of misses the point um so you know i i wonder how much this 00:09:00.946 --> 00:09:06.726 is spilling over into the way we all evaluate our entertainment options and 00:09:06.726 --> 00:09:07.786 our entertainment dollars. 00:09:08.786 --> 00:09:16.126 Oh i'm sure it does hugely and it's yeah i think it absolutely does hugely um 00:09:16.126 --> 00:09:20.626 i think it's a major part of it and i don't quite understand as our attention 00:09:20.626 --> 00:09:25.426 uh spans are definitely getting shorter why movies seem to be getting longer, 00:09:25.446 --> 00:09:28.926 but maybe we'll have that philosophical conversation another time. 00:09:29.648 --> 00:09:37.648 Back to Formula One, or F1 the movie, it's about a driver called Sonny Hayes, 00:09:37.708 --> 00:09:41.428 that's who Brad Pitt plays, who was apparently dubbed the greatest that never was. 00:09:41.528 --> 00:09:45.688 He was a promising phenomenon, and then in the 1990s had a terrible accident 00:09:45.688 --> 00:09:46.828 that nearly ended his career. 00:09:47.188 --> 00:09:54.848 He is brought back by Ruben Cervantes, who is played by Javier Bardem, 30 years later. 00:09:55.168 --> 00:10:01.668 Can they turn this struggling F1 team back into glory? He drives alongside Joshua 00:10:01.668 --> 00:10:05.928 Pierce, who's played by Damson Idris, who's a sort of hotshot rookie-type character. 00:10:07.568 --> 00:10:11.788 Of course, I'll read you from the PR blurb. But as the engines roar, 00:10:12.128 --> 00:10:15.308 Sonny's past catches up with him, and he finds that a Formula One, 00:10:15.388 --> 00:10:19.988 your teammate is your fiercest competition, and the road to redemption is not 00:10:19.988 --> 00:10:22.068 something you can travel alone. 00:10:26.468 --> 00:10:30.308 Is this something you would go and watch in the cinema? You seem to be quite up for it. 00:10:31.228 --> 00:10:38.328 I am because of the trailer. I'm not an F1 guy, and ordinarily I would say, 00:10:38.448 --> 00:10:40.188 eh, I'll wait for it to come to video. 00:10:40.528 --> 00:10:47.028 But the trailers have been so effective in capturing my attention, 00:10:47.028 --> 00:10:51.128 not just from the story standpoint but also from the action standpoint, 00:10:51.128 --> 00:10:54.528 that I definitely want to go see this in the theater. 00:10:55.268 --> 00:11:00.108 I sincerely hope I get the opportunity to see it in an IMAX theater because 00:11:00.108 --> 00:11:05.248 it seems to have been designed specifically for that with the amazing sound 00:11:05.248 --> 00:11:08.388 system as well as the amazing screen experience. 00:11:09.008 --> 00:11:15.368 So I feel like this one, sure, it'll translate down to streaming just fine, 00:11:15.368 --> 00:11:21.448 but it feels like it's going to be a movie that will be best experienced in 00:11:21.448 --> 00:11:24.448 that environment, and I want to go see it in that environment. 00:11:25.328 --> 00:11:30.968 Yeah I think that's fair enough I think if it wasn't an Apple film. 00:11:32.349 --> 00:11:37.649 I'm not sure I would. Like you, I'm not a very big F1 fan. 00:11:38.189 --> 00:11:42.549 It's one of the few sports I actually don't follow that closely. I've never forgiven. 00:11:42.949 --> 00:11:47.649 Well, I've never got over Lewis Hamilton being robbed by Max Verstappen, 00:11:47.649 --> 00:11:49.129 however many years ago that was. 00:11:49.269 --> 00:11:51.869 And it sort of made me completely turn off the sport. 00:11:52.369 --> 00:11:55.609 But obviously, this is not about the sport per se. 00:11:56.169 --> 00:12:01.769 I could see it. I'd probably be tempted if I wanted to in one afternoon to go watch this. 00:12:01.869 --> 00:12:04.869 I don't know if I would if it wasn't concerned with Apple and I couldn't pretend 00:12:04.869 --> 00:12:06.349 I was working by watching it. 00:12:06.609 --> 00:12:10.989 But I think I could be tempted by it. 00:12:11.729 --> 00:12:14.249 I have to say, I think we're going to have to, on this show, 00:12:14.549 --> 00:12:18.589 watch really closely this cinematic release schedule for Apple because I think 00:12:18.589 --> 00:12:20.769 it's so interesting the way this is happening. 00:12:21.089 --> 00:12:24.249 And we should point out this film has come out with alongside 00:12:24.249 --> 00:12:27.069 with warner brothers which obviously that 00:12:27.069 --> 00:12:30.589 relationship involved you know previously was ted lasso that's 00:12:30.589 --> 00:12:33.609 how that came out so it's quite interesting this dynamic as 00:12:33.609 --> 00:12:36.629 well of apple working with warner brothers as 00:12:36.629 --> 00:12:39.649 well uh yes 00:12:39.649 --> 00:12:43.209 and again you know these partnerships may 00:12:43.209 --> 00:12:48.289 be necessary in the world going forward that apple can't just completely go 00:12:48.289 --> 00:12:54.389 it alone so i yep and And you're right because I don't think I'm wrong that 00:12:54.389 --> 00:13:01.329 after a couple of the less successful movies that Apple put out in the theaters, 00:13:01.529 --> 00:13:04.369 that they were reevaluating their theater strategy. 00:13:05.629 --> 00:13:08.489 I have fake memories of stories like that. 00:13:08.969 --> 00:13:13.749 Yeah, and so was the reevaluation that we're going to have to do what you and 00:13:13.749 --> 00:13:17.489 I talked about earlier here, do it more strategically, 00:13:18.229 --> 00:13:22.669 or are they just going to, they're going to only go for the big action, 00:13:22.909 --> 00:13:25.509 super blockbuster kind of movies to put in theaters. 00:13:25.909 --> 00:13:30.069 To your point, are they going to try to strategically release some things, 00:13:30.249 --> 00:13:34.929 maybe even in limited release, so that they are available for the awards? 00:13:35.349 --> 00:13:38.529 Because that seems to be such a big thing for so many people. 00:13:39.109 --> 00:13:43.509 I'm not one of them, but, you know, I know you feel pretty strongly about them 00:13:43.509 --> 00:13:47.809 or either that or you just do a really good job. I feel strongly that it matters to the companies. 00:13:49.369 --> 00:13:52.589 Oh, okay. That's how I feel about it. Fair point. 00:13:52.849 --> 00:13:56.929 Because I think it really does. Anyway, when awards season wraps up, we'll do that. 00:13:57.129 --> 00:14:02.489 But I think it does matter to the companies, and you do have certain limits 00:14:02.489 --> 00:14:06.189 of how much you have to have stuff in the theatres to qualify for those awards. 00:14:07.611 --> 00:14:13.031 So, you know, it's a business that – the movie business is not one I pay a lot of attention to. 00:14:13.231 --> 00:14:14.631 I probably am paying more attention 00:14:14.631 --> 00:14:20.831 to it now because of Apple TV Plus and Apple's whole video strategy. 00:14:21.991 --> 00:14:25.671 But, you know, you brought up a really interesting point, though. 00:14:26.391 --> 00:14:30.631 Would I be paying as much attention to this if it wasn't an Apple film? 00:14:31.131 --> 00:14:34.711 And I think I have to confess I probably wouldn't. 00:14:34.711 --> 00:14:37.851 But if if they could capture enough of 00:14:37.851 --> 00:14:41.011 my attention to watch the trailer i probably would 00:14:41.011 --> 00:14:44.651 say yes i i will i would 00:14:44.651 --> 00:14:47.391 be more likely than not to want to see it in an 00:14:47.391 --> 00:14:50.151 imax theater so just the fact that 00:14:50.151 --> 00:14:53.011 it is an apple phone you know our apple fit 00:14:53.011 --> 00:14:56.791 session seems like a good thing very 00:14:56.791 --> 00:14:59.731 interesting yeah so anyway that's out now 00:14:59.731 --> 00:15:03.211 you can watch it i think in lots and lots of theaters uh obviously 00:15:03.211 --> 00:15:05.891 zach van amber and jamie ehrlich to put out 00:15:05.891 --> 00:15:09.051 statements being how excited they are uh 00:15:09.051 --> 00:15:13.071 calling it an unforgettable cinematic experience they're 00:15:13.071 --> 00:15:16.031 thrilled at the global response etc etc etc so 00:15:16.031 --> 00:15:18.851 lots of positivity coming out of apple for 00:15:18.851 --> 00:15:22.311 this um and i suspect we'll be talking about this film a 00:15:22.311 --> 00:15:25.611 bit more in the future now you wanted 00:15:25.611 --> 00:15:28.751 to tell me about a season a show that i 00:15:28.751 --> 00:15:32.331 haven't actually got into yet but you have 00:15:32.331 --> 00:15:36.931 been really enjoying which is prime target yes 00:15:36.931 --> 00:15:43.711 and i was surprised at how much i enjoyed it um i did not feel like the the 00:15:43.711 --> 00:15:49.571 trailers or the write-ups that i saw for it uh in in advance of it coming out 00:15:49.571 --> 00:15:54.991 or i should say in advance of me starting to watch it uh really were that compelling. 00:15:55.251 --> 00:16:01.811 And I'm so happy that I did give it a shot because it did not sound like a movie 00:16:01.811 --> 00:16:07.551 that would have the kind of appeal that, at least to my way of thinking, does. 00:16:08.151 --> 00:16:11.391 And I want to be real careful here because I'm sure a lot of people haven't 00:16:11.391 --> 00:16:15.331 seen it. So I don't want to give you any spoilers. Yeah, I'm going to watch it. So no spoilers. 00:16:15.551 --> 00:16:21.771 Behave. Yeah, no spoilers. But I will say this, that it centers on a mathematician. 00:16:22.491 --> 00:16:28.911 And right there, that's going to wipe a lot of people out. No offense to mathematicians, but, you know. 00:16:29.371 --> 00:16:34.111 A young math postgraduate called Edward Brooks, who is played by Leo Wardle. 00:16:36.058 --> 00:16:41.418 Right, right. And so, you know, how many times do you see mathematicians, the hero of a film? 00:16:42.858 --> 00:16:51.058 Doesn't happen very often, or series. But this really, if people haven't paid 00:16:51.058 --> 00:16:55.998 attention to what I like, as I've revealed it, I like things that I don't see coming. 00:16:56.158 --> 00:17:00.778 I like things that have a few twists and turns, but maybe are so twisty and 00:17:00.778 --> 00:17:05.738 turning and so involved that you can't follow the story. And I felt like this 00:17:05.738 --> 00:17:10.738 strikes that really nice balance with some unexpected aspects of it. 00:17:11.458 --> 00:17:16.258 And there's – I'm not ready to say science fiction-y things, 00:17:16.258 --> 00:17:21.858 but definitely technology-oriented things in the film that I think were, 00:17:21.958 --> 00:17:23.718 again, something that pulled me in. 00:17:23.898 --> 00:17:28.558 So I would really ask you to give it an episode or two shot. 00:17:28.678 --> 00:17:31.198 And if it works for you, great. And if it doesn't, that's fine. 00:17:31.378 --> 00:17:35.078 But I'd love to know if it works for you. so you 00:17:35.078 --> 00:17:38.078 sure i'll have to dive yeah i'll have 00:17:38.078 --> 00:17:40.998 to dive into this so the idea is if he 00:17:40.998 --> 00:17:44.518 this mathematician as you say can find he succeeds 00:17:44.518 --> 00:17:48.098 in finding a pattern in prime numbers and that 00:17:48.098 --> 00:17:51.398 will give him the key to every computer in the world uh 00:17:51.398 --> 00:17:54.538 he begins to realize according to the blurb that an 00:17:54.538 --> 00:17:57.458 unseen enemy is trying to destroy his idea before it's even born 00:17:57.458 --> 00:18:00.398 he comes into contact with this uh female 00:18:00.398 --> 00:18:03.198 NSA agent Taylor Sanders played by 00:18:03.198 --> 00:18:06.358 Contessa Swindle um and he 00:18:06.358 --> 00:18:10.958 who is watching his behavior obviously there is conspiracy theory that they 00:18:10.958 --> 00:18:15.218 work together to find out or whatever um you're not allowed to say anything 00:18:15.218 --> 00:18:21.698 but um this show actually came out in January and finished there was eight episodes 00:18:21.698 --> 00:18:25.398 in the season and it came out that which finished in March. 00:18:26.638 --> 00:18:30.658 I have to say, this brings us back to our usual regular talking point, 00:18:31.038 --> 00:18:35.138 Chuck, of how have I not heard about this? Why is there not more talk about this? 00:18:36.058 --> 00:18:39.778 This is the classic thing we keep talking about with TV+, that they have really 00:18:39.778 --> 00:18:44.698 interesting stuff on there that sort of just disappears into the ether. 00:18:45.658 --> 00:18:49.378 Until you told me you'd watch this, I really wasn't aware of it at, 00:18:51.778 --> 00:18:55.818 I don't even remember how I became aware of it. It ended up on my watch list 00:18:55.818 --> 00:19:00.118 because I'm so far behind on things I want to watch. 00:19:00.298 --> 00:19:02.378 There just isn't enough time in the day. Sure. 00:19:02.918 --> 00:19:07.758 But I got down to this, and it's like, oh, okay, well, take a shot at it. 00:19:07.818 --> 00:19:09.178 It might be interesting. 00:19:09.298 --> 00:19:12.938 And to the point we said earlier, it's on Apple TV+. 00:19:12.938 --> 00:19:19.038 So right there for me there's a check mark in the right direction that it's 00:19:19.038 --> 00:19:23.518 worth at least checking out because it looks like something I might be interested in, 00:19:24.078 --> 00:19:28.458 and so yeah it's 45 minutes an episode so nothing too, 00:19:29.218 --> 00:19:32.098 gruelling to get through it's all pretty watchable, 00:19:32.958 --> 00:19:34.478 again this just brings me back to. 00:19:35.600 --> 00:19:40.560 Yeah, I find it sort of frustrating that we there's obviously interesting stuff there. 00:19:40.700 --> 00:19:45.820 Look, maybe this is not going to be a blockbuster show like some of the others we've seen on TV Plus. 00:19:45.940 --> 00:19:48.740 But this sounds like an interesting show. It's eight episodes. 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:54.840 You know, why? Why does it take so long to find this stuff on TV Plus? 00:19:55.300 --> 00:19:59.060 And we keep having this conversation, Chuck, since we started this show. 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:03.220 We've had this conversation so many times that I fear our listeners and viewers 00:20:03.220 --> 00:20:04.460 are getting bored of us having it. 00:20:04.460 --> 00:20:10.000 But I think it's such an important point, and I don't know why a company of 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:18.380 Apple's power, with its marketing arsenal that it has, hasn't fixed this problem. 00:20:19.260 --> 00:20:24.860 I don't know if they don't want to throw the money at some of their own shows 00:20:24.860 --> 00:20:27.080 the way they do maybe at some of the movies. 00:20:27.620 --> 00:20:33.820 Because I have definitely seen Apple TV Plus films, and not just the ones we're 00:20:33.820 --> 00:20:37.280 talking about in the theater, but just even the regular ones. 00:20:38.380 --> 00:20:45.220 I see them pop up in advertisements on something like Amazon Prime or whatever. And that's great. 00:20:45.420 --> 00:20:47.540 It's like, okay, there's a little more awareness. 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:54.680 But all the ones that we've talked about and the ones that I still haven't gotten to, 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:57.680 there's some there's some great shows out there 00:20:57.680 --> 00:21:00.920 that you're right no one's talking about and i 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:03.560 feel like it's up to us to try to bring some of them to the 00:21:03.560 --> 00:21:09.440 fore and maybe help spread to our friends who then will spread to theirs there 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:15.640 is one thing it's not it's not our job we're writers we're podcasters we're 00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:21.500 not the apple pr machine it's not down to us i don't you know there seems Ever since, 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:28.020 almost since this out, since the project launch of TV+, there has been this problem. 00:21:29.897 --> 00:21:34.997 You're not wrong. You're not wrong. And I can't answer the question any more 00:21:34.997 --> 00:21:36.297 than we'd be able to answer it. No. 00:21:36.397 --> 00:21:40.257 Jamie Earley, Zach Van Amberg, come on this show. Tell us what's going on. Yeah. 00:21:41.017 --> 00:21:47.197 I do want to add one thing about the series, and that is that it wraps the first 00:21:47.197 --> 00:21:53.777 season in one of those very nice fashions where the story arc is concluded. 00:21:54.097 --> 00:21:58.637 The story could continue very easily, and I sincerely hope it gets a season two. 00:21:59.217 --> 00:22:02.797 But if it doesn't, it's not one you have to worry about, like, 00:22:02.877 --> 00:22:10.017 oh, I'm going to be left hanging, like some other shows on other outlets that I could say, 00:22:10.157 --> 00:22:14.437 you know, they get canceled and then you feel like, well, what happened? 00:22:14.437 --> 00:22:21.417 You know, so I felt very satisfied by the end that this story arc is wrapped 00:22:21.417 --> 00:22:25.197 up with just enough threads that it could keep on going. 00:22:25.357 --> 00:22:29.197 But if it doesn't, I'm not going to feel like I wasted my time. 00:22:30.717 --> 00:22:35.057 That's very interesting. I was going to ask you about that because, 00:22:35.057 --> 00:22:40.417 first of all, we know that Apple is pretty lethal at cutting off shows that 00:22:40.417 --> 00:22:43.717 it's, you know, are not doing enough for them. 00:22:43.717 --> 00:22:48.157 Is you know over the last six years or whatever it is there's been enough of 00:22:48.157 --> 00:22:51.637 that um so i'm interested you 00:22:51.637 --> 00:22:56.917 say that we haven't heard any news yet of a renewal it did end in march, 00:22:58.177 --> 00:23:01.617 so we haven't heard anything more about season two yet, 00:23:02.643 --> 00:23:09.203 Right. Charlotte, help me out because you and I don't necessarily have the same tastes. 00:23:10.103 --> 00:23:15.403 No. I can't think of any show that I have watched on Apple TV Plus that got 00:23:15.403 --> 00:23:18.783 one of those axes that came down and left me hanging. 00:23:19.323 --> 00:23:23.263 Can you think of any of that? No, but there have been. There have been plenty 00:23:23.263 --> 00:23:25.743 that have got chopped off really quite early. 00:23:26.083 --> 00:23:30.943 But no, nothing that I think we particularly enjoyed or got into. 00:23:30.943 --> 00:23:34.623 But there definitely have been a number of shows that have got the axe. 00:23:35.483 --> 00:23:38.723 Well, yeah, got the axe, but did they leave the audience hanging? 00:23:39.403 --> 00:23:43.563 I mean – I think so. There have been some that just haven't, 00:23:43.583 --> 00:23:45.343 you know, pulled their weight and have gone. 00:23:46.023 --> 00:23:51.583 Okay. I mean, have we discussed – well, we discussed Mythic Quest, 00:23:51.663 --> 00:23:53.523 didn't we, that has suddenly disappeared. 00:23:54.883 --> 00:23:58.423 Okay, I take it back. Mythic Quest did come down. 00:23:58.583 --> 00:24:02.363 They sort of wrapped it a little bit. they could probably wrapped it better 00:24:02.363 --> 00:24:05.603 if they had a little more time and they've gone back to 00:24:06.023 --> 00:24:13.463 the revamped final episode um a couple more things before we leave just things 00:24:13.463 --> 00:24:18.003 that are coming out because there's quite a lot coming out in well there's bits 00:24:18.003 --> 00:24:21.983 that's come out in june and in july i think this will appeal to you chuck foundation 00:24:21.983 --> 00:24:24.263 season three launches not that long away. 00:24:24.683 --> 00:24:28.803 11th of July, 2025. Are you excited for this one? Very much, 00:24:29.043 --> 00:24:31.743 very much. I've thoroughly enjoyed the first two seasons of Foundation. 00:24:32.243 --> 00:24:38.163 I hope they continue it for a long time, because if you're familiar with Asimov's 00:24:38.163 --> 00:24:43.303 trilogy and even the subsequent works, there's a lot to be mined there if they want to, 00:24:43.843 --> 00:24:48.623 even though, to be really fair about it, that the series has not followed the 00:24:48.623 --> 00:24:54.023 books exactly that closely, but there's enough there to see the relationship. 00:24:54.263 --> 00:25:00.523 At least I think, um, and I just want to see it keep on going because it's, it's so well done. 00:25:01.843 --> 00:25:03.003 Um, yeah, 00:25:03.579 --> 00:25:08.979 completely changing uh sort of direction there's something called the wild ones 00:25:08.979 --> 00:25:13.419 which looks like a nature documentary to me coming out as well that same day 00:25:13.419 --> 00:25:17.679 uh we've got acapulco season four, 00:25:18.539 --> 00:25:21.619 is coming out on the 23rd of july just before 00:25:21.619 --> 00:25:25.219 that is a brand new we discussed this on the show last time because i was quite 00:25:25.219 --> 00:25:28.859 excited about it is snoopy presents a summer musical which is one i I think 00:25:28.859 --> 00:25:35.179 we were saying at the time it was the first new Peanuts original or Peanuts 00:25:35.179 --> 00:25:38.599 special for quite a while. So that's coming out the 18th of July. 00:25:38.779 --> 00:25:44.799 So in July already, that's one, two, three, four new things coming out that we know of. 00:25:45.899 --> 00:25:51.299 Just that beginning of August, the 1st of August, season four of Stillwater, 00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:58.199 which is a kind of sweet kids meditative animation thing, which is rather nice. 00:25:58.579 --> 00:26:03.699 And completely different is something called Chief of War, which is performed 00:26:03.699 --> 00:26:06.999 by a predominantly Polynesian cast led by Jason Momoa. 00:26:07.179 --> 00:26:12.019 It's an epic, unprecedented telling of the unification and colonization of Hawaii 00:26:12.019 --> 00:26:15.099 at the start of the 18th century. 00:26:15.379 --> 00:26:19.059 So there's quite a lot of different things going on on Apple TV+, 00:26:19.699 --> 00:26:21.979 given that this is over the summer as well. 00:26:23.199 --> 00:26:26.999 Yeah, I personally want to see The King of War. I think that looked, 00:26:27.419 --> 00:26:29.019 again, the trailer. Chief of War. 00:26:29.619 --> 00:26:34.779 Chief of War. Sorry, King of War. Chief of War. That looked really, really interesting. 00:26:36.399 --> 00:26:42.659 You know, not just because it's Jason Momoa, but just the subject matter sounded interesting. 00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:46.979 The spectacle looked interesting. So I'm anxious for that one. 00:26:47.059 --> 00:26:51.079 The other ones, I have to go back and look because I haven't even, 00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:55.339 other than your comments about Snoopy, I didn't recognize any of those, 00:26:55.479 --> 00:26:57.799 which we're back to. No, there's quite a few bits. 00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:00.339 Because there's a few bits going on. 00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:04.619 There's other bits coming out before this, but just to jump ahead to September, 00:27:04.919 --> 00:27:08.299 because we will definitely be talking about this, is season four of The Morning 00:27:08.299 --> 00:27:10.479 Show on 17th of September. 00:27:11.779 --> 00:27:16.199 You know, you mentioned about how some of the shows have been wrapped up. 00:27:16.419 --> 00:27:22.779 The end of season three of The Morning Show, which was slightly less painful 00:27:22.779 --> 00:27:26.519 than season two, which I found unwatchable. But season three, 00:27:26.659 --> 00:27:29.999 I think, sort of got the show back again, even though it was a bit daft. 00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:37.099 We'll be interested to see what they do with season four because I don't know how much legs. 00:27:37.779 --> 00:27:40.459 I'm disappointed to say this. I really wanted it to be good. 00:27:40.879 --> 00:27:44.739 I'm not sure how much legs the morning show has left, but maybe season four 00:27:44.739 --> 00:27:46.559 will redeem it. What do you think? 00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:53.239 I agree with you, although I will add that I enjoy the characters. Yeah. 00:27:53.785 --> 00:27:58.545 And so that will bring me to season four without question. 00:27:59.405 --> 00:28:04.805 But, yeah, there were aspects of season three that seemed to be just a little shaky. 00:28:06.865 --> 00:28:11.225 Just a bit. But we do have season five of Slow Horses as well on its way. 00:28:11.345 --> 00:28:12.705 So there's a lot happening. 00:28:12.985 --> 00:28:15.765 There's a lot happening. And what's interesting, maybe this is something we 00:28:15.765 --> 00:28:18.885 need to talk about when we have a bit more time on a future show, 00:28:18.885 --> 00:28:23.065 when there are less things to kind of review and dive into, is it now feels 00:28:23.065 --> 00:28:28.685 to me that Apple has some of these tentpole shows and series that you can sort 00:28:28.685 --> 00:28:30.665 of not quite build your year around, but, 00:28:30.825 --> 00:28:33.225 you know, you can build some of your viewing schedule around, 00:28:33.785 --> 00:28:39.305 Slow Horses, Morning Show, we know Ted Lasso's coming back, Foundation in York, 00:28:39.365 --> 00:28:42.605 you know, we've already seen season two of The Buccaneers come out. 00:28:42.825 --> 00:28:46.925 There are these kind of shows that it's building the service around now. 00:28:48.885 --> 00:28:57.905 And and it works except for the fact that to not enough people know about all the great shows, 00:28:59.525 --> 00:29:03.605 that's the problem that we have let's let's 00:29:03.605 --> 00:29:06.325 have well and of course severance which has 00:29:06.325 --> 00:29:09.285 been a huge hit um we will come back 00:29:09.285 --> 00:29:12.805 and discuss perhaps that aspect of tv plus 00:29:12.805 --> 00:29:15.665 um in a future show is 00:29:15.665 --> 00:29:18.845 there anything else you want to dive into before we head 00:29:18.845 --> 00:29:21.705 off no i i mean i think we've hit everything 00:29:21.705 --> 00:29:24.785 that was on our agenda um just once again 00:29:24.785 --> 00:29:27.945 if you if you are interested in 00:29:27.945 --> 00:29:30.825 some high quality shows and not just 00:29:30.825 --> 00:29:33.845 one or two that you may have heard of check out apple tv 00:29:33.845 --> 00:29:36.785 plus it's there's a lot there 00:29:36.785 --> 00:29:40.125 if you're looking for a summer alternative um there 00:29:40.125 --> 00:29:42.825 are plenty of things that i mean i 00:29:42.825 --> 00:29:45.605 sure maybe that's something we need to do the next show we need 00:29:45.605 --> 00:29:48.685 to make a summer playlist of favorite shows that 00:29:48.685 --> 00:29:51.925 maybe have been overlooked so that we can tell people 00:29:51.925 --> 00:29:54.685 yes you need to catch up on this 00:29:54.685 --> 00:29:58.605 and not just one or two totally um 00:29:58.605 --> 00:30:02.505 well you've done your pr job very good i hope they they send you the check i 00:30:02.505 --> 00:30:06.285 heard jamie and zach send you a big bouquet of flowers in the check but yeah 00:30:06.285 --> 00:30:11.245 there is some really good stuff there i'm gonna go dive into time prime target 00:30:11.245 --> 00:30:15.165 i think because you've given that a very good endorsement. It does seem quite appealing. 00:30:15.785 --> 00:30:17.325 Chuck, where can people keep up with you? 00:30:18.685 --> 00:30:23.625 MacVoices.com. That's where you'll find everything. We do a live show Tuesday nights at 8 p.m. 00:30:23.885 --> 00:30:28.105 Eastern, but those shows also show up in an edited format in our feeds. 00:30:28.765 --> 00:30:34.585 So if you're not in my time zone or one that's convenient, you won't be missing out. 00:30:35.145 --> 00:30:38.825 And on the socials, you can find us. Well, I'm missing out because I never get to be on it. 00:30:40.005 --> 00:30:43.725 Well, you're welcome, but it's just you have to stay up until a crazy hour of the morning. 00:30:47.076 --> 00:30:51.056 So, yeah, check Chuck out at Mac Voices. I'm at Charlotte A. 00:30:51.236 --> 00:30:56.416 Henry across social media and theedition.net. Please tell your friends, 00:30:57.116 --> 00:31:01.596 family, people you don't even like, frankly, about this show. 00:31:01.696 --> 00:31:03.336 We put it out on both of our feeds. 00:31:05.056 --> 00:31:07.676 We're trying to spend more and more time building this show because there's 00:31:07.676 --> 00:31:10.256 so much going on in the TV Plus space. 00:31:10.376 --> 00:31:13.216 So I hope you'll join us again, and thanks very much. 00:31:14.176 --> 00:31:20.636 Charlotte before we go before we go your book I done I do have a book coming 00:31:20.636 --> 00:31:24.316 out in October don't worry I'm going to talk about it every show until then 00:31:24.316 --> 00:31:25.796 but if you head over to Amazon, 00:31:26.796 --> 00:31:31.816 and look for my name or the book streaming wars you can pre-order it and that 00:31:31.816 --> 00:31:35.816 will make a huge difference and I'll love you even more so thank you very much 00:31:35.816 --> 00:31:39.636 for that as well thank you we'll see you next time, 00:31:45.796 --> 00:31:50.496 that was a very good show Chuck I like that show I thought that was, 00:31:53.676 --> 00:31:58.136 no you never talk too much Chuck that was a good show, 00:32:02.256 --> 00:32:07.796 um I think if you don't find it too um a press.