WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:12.080 Music. 00:00:12.291 --> 00:00:17.931 Hello, and welcome to TV Plus Talk. I'm Charlotte Henry. He's Chuck Joyner. Hello. 00:00:18.691 --> 00:00:20.671 Hello, Charlotte. Great to see you as always. 00:00:21.611 --> 00:00:27.751 So good to be back, getting back into our regular vibe of talking all things Apple TV Plus. 00:00:28.231 --> 00:00:33.311 And there is a lot to talk about, including some breaking news as we start the show. 00:00:33.971 --> 00:00:37.071 I'm excited about this. I feel like I'm going to be more excited about this than you, 00:00:37.171 --> 00:00:40.771 Chuck, but play nicely there's going 00:00:40.771 --> 00:00:44.711 to be a new peanuts musical on tv 00:00:44.711 --> 00:00:47.451 plus um i'm not sure 00:00:47.451 --> 00:00:50.251 i can get that excited over but i think it's i knew this was gonna 00:00:50.251 --> 00:00:53.051 happen no no no no no no listen i think 00:00:53.051 --> 00:00:56.071 this is great this is not necessarily for me but on the other hand 00:00:56.071 --> 00:00:58.891 you know yes i've i remember peanuts from 00:00:58.891 --> 00:01:01.631 you know being a kid and it's one of 00:01:01.631 --> 00:01:04.471 those that is just sort of timeless it's not it's not 00:01:04.471 --> 00:01:07.311 very trendy it's just timeless and and that's one of 00:01:07.311 --> 00:01:10.851 the reasons i was really excited to hear about this yes i 00:01:10.851 --> 00:01:15.731 mean they haven't made a new peanuts musical special in 35 years that's basically 00:01:15.731 --> 00:01:20.351 my entire life i was two the last time there was a p last time there was a peanuts 00:01:20.351 --> 00:01:25.511 musical an original one so that's coming out on july the 18th it's going to 00:01:25.511 --> 00:01:27.751 have 40 minutes It's going to be 40 minutes. 00:01:27.911 --> 00:01:30.611 It's called A Summer Musical, originally. 00:01:32.171 --> 00:01:36.631 This might interest you. The Ben Folds of the Ben Folds Five is also going to 00:01:36.631 --> 00:01:38.491 be writing the music. He's in charge of the music. 00:01:38.951 --> 00:01:41.051 I think this is going to be fun, Chuck. 00:01:42.311 --> 00:01:47.351 I think it's going to be interesting, Charlotte, because you brought up Ben Folds. 00:01:49.151 --> 00:01:55.051 I think it's going to be really interesting to see how the music is presented, 00:01:55.051 --> 00:02:03.211 whether it's going to be sort of in line with the typical or stereotypical Peanuts 00:02:03.211 --> 00:02:06.011 music or whether it's going to have a more modern vibe to it. 00:02:06.771 --> 00:02:10.431 So, and listen, I can see pros and cons for either one. 00:02:10.991 --> 00:02:14.891 So, you know, but yeah, it might add a new dimension to Peanuts. 00:02:16.171 --> 00:02:19.371 Yeah, and well, what's interesting about this, because you mentioned, 00:02:19.731 --> 00:02:24.631 and I don't want to make too far on the point of this, but you mentioned watching Peanuts as a kid. 00:02:25.711 --> 00:02:32.371 And that, you know, Apple has got this catalogue from a period of time ago. 00:02:33.851 --> 00:02:36.331 Apple has bought this Peanuts catalogue that spans, you know, 00:02:36.911 --> 00:02:39.431 as I say, a period of time. We won't make too much of it. 00:02:39.691 --> 00:02:43.891 But it's the only thing that's basically not original on TV+. 00:02:45.111 --> 00:02:48.911 And what's original is they've taken the IP that they own, i.e. 00:02:48.911 --> 00:02:50.271 The Peanuts IP, which they bought... 00:02:51.892 --> 00:02:53.372 And now they're building something 00:02:53.372 --> 00:02:56.952 new from it. And I think that's an interesting new step for Apple TV+. 00:02:59.012 --> 00:03:01.812 Charlotte, would you like to saw me in half and see how many rings I have? 00:03:01.872 --> 00:03:05.452 Is that what you're saying? I wouldn't dream of it. 00:03:06.932 --> 00:03:15.592 No, but, you know, penis almost is in a class by itself because it ages, but it doesn't age. 00:03:15.872 --> 00:03:20.592 And, you know, the parents had watched it way back when, have introduced their 00:03:20.592 --> 00:03:29.072 kids to it. The holiday specials remain so important to parents and being able 00:03:29.072 --> 00:03:30.052 to share it with their kids. 00:03:30.312 --> 00:03:34.952 And sometimes those kids have shared it with their kids. And so I find it really 00:03:34.952 --> 00:03:39.552 interesting that Apple has, like you say, has added to the IP, 00:03:39.712 --> 00:03:44.572 but they really have, I think, tried to stay true to the original nature of Peanuts. 00:03:46.012 --> 00:03:49.612 Yes, I think that's what we're going to see. And that's why they've got the 00:03:49.612 --> 00:03:51.672 whole catalogue there, all those specials. 00:03:52.532 --> 00:03:56.152 But yeah, I think it's an interesting another step in the sort of development 00:03:56.152 --> 00:04:00.912 of TV Plus to go from basically no originals to this little bit of IP that they 00:04:00.912 --> 00:04:04.472 own to them building on that IP. I think that's kind of interesting. 00:04:04.692 --> 00:04:08.132 For those worrying, the show is apparently about Charlie Brown, 00:04:08.172 --> 00:04:11.992 who wants to make his first year, final year at camp special. 00:04:12.472 --> 00:04:15.672 Sally is the newbie at camp, so she's a bit nervous. 00:04:15.672 --> 00:04:18.552 So snoopy and woodstock then discover treasure 00:04:18.552 --> 00:04:21.712 map as well and they all go on of course a wild 00:04:21.712 --> 00:04:24.912 adventure so it's got all the classic peanuts 00:04:24.912 --> 00:04:29.652 elements into it um i think it's going to be great fun we'll see how it goes 00:04:29.652 --> 00:04:35.492 obviously we'll do an in-depth review of it here on the show yes yes and and 00:04:35.492 --> 00:04:41.992 listen i will look forward to that because i think it's if even if the programming is not for me, 00:04:42.212 --> 00:04:46.292 it's going to be interesting to just see what Apple does with the IP, 00:04:46.372 --> 00:04:52.052 and whether they try to drag it just a little bit into the future, or a lot into the future, 00:04:52.272 --> 00:04:58.772 and hopefully not mess it up if they decide to do the latter. Yeah. 00:04:59.715 --> 00:05:02.135 I've got to ask you about this, actually, because it's a bigger thing in the 00:05:02.135 --> 00:05:06.215 U.S., I think, than in the U.K., the kind of heritage of peanuts. 00:05:07.775 --> 00:05:11.615 And there could be quite a big backlash against Apple if they muck this up, right? 00:05:13.375 --> 00:05:18.355 Listen, I think there were people looking askance at them when they started 00:05:18.355 --> 00:05:21.715 doing the Snoopy things and some of the things they have added already. 00:05:22.495 --> 00:05:28.795 Yeah, that's true. But they've pulled it off. You know, there have been no super criticisms. 00:05:28.795 --> 00:05:32.195 There have been no riots in the streets or anything i think they've been pretty 00:05:32.195 --> 00:05:37.275 well received so i feel like they've got a good a good handle on this and it 00:05:37.275 --> 00:05:41.495 just becomes a matter of who is going to be put in sort of in charge of production 00:05:41.495 --> 00:05:44.195 and you know what they do to the ip, 00:05:44.995 --> 00:05:50.835 because listen we've i mean i could get into a bit of a rant here on some of 00:05:50.835 --> 00:05:55.255 the i'm gonna sit back and let you go well no no i'm not going to do it but 00:05:55.255 --> 00:06:01.715 you know some of the some of the things that have been remade or stories retold. 00:06:01.975 --> 00:06:05.355 And some producer gets in there and says, I'm going to put my stamp on it. 00:06:05.535 --> 00:06:08.895 And it just destroys, you know, what was. 00:06:09.535 --> 00:06:12.635 And so that always has bothered me. 00:06:13.015 --> 00:06:19.035 Tom Cruise did an amazing job with Mission Impossible of taking the original 00:06:19.035 --> 00:06:23.375 character and turning him into sort of a questionable guy, 00:06:23.395 --> 00:06:29.075 not exactly a bad guy, but maintaining the spirit of the franchise and pushing it forward. 00:06:30.015 --> 00:06:34.735 And so that's one that went well. I can think of several that didn't go well 00:06:34.735 --> 00:06:38.835 and that there've never been any sequels and they're not going to be any sequels 00:06:38.835 --> 00:06:40.135 because they messed it up so much. 00:06:41.515 --> 00:06:45.995 Are you talking about Star Wars? No, no, no, no. Actually, I hadn't even thought 00:06:45.995 --> 00:06:47.615 about Star Wars. Because that did make people angry. 00:06:48.195 --> 00:06:51.015 No. No, yes, you're right. You're right. So 00:06:51.015 --> 00:06:53.975 that's a great example that I wouldn't have even thought of 00:06:53.975 --> 00:06:57.055 where somebody tried to do something and messed 00:06:57.055 --> 00:06:59.875 it up and so i i would like 00:06:59.875 --> 00:07:03.975 to think that apple's smart enough not to do that with peanuts oh poor 00:07:03.975 --> 00:07:06.695 jar jar binks right we've got a bunch of other 00:07:06.695 --> 00:07:09.755 stuff to get through as well because there's other shows 00:07:09.755 --> 00:07:12.675 coming to tv plus there's one 00:07:12.675 --> 00:07:17.015 called fountain of youth uh that's well it might be out by the time you watch 00:07:17.015 --> 00:07:21.635 this show it's the seven it's may 23rd it follows two estranged siblings who 00:07:21.635 --> 00:07:26.595 are played by john krasinski and natalie portman who they partner on a global 00:07:26.595 --> 00:07:30.395 heist to find the mythological fountain of youth, 00:07:31.035 --> 00:07:36.255 i mean you can't go that much wrong with john krasinski and natalie portman can you. 00:07:39.235 --> 00:07:45.255 I don't know that i want to see it it's one of those that for me it's like okay 00:07:45.255 --> 00:07:48.755 another show Now, I'll see what kind of critical reviews it gets, 00:07:48.795 --> 00:07:53.215 but this is not at the top of my must-watch list at the moment, at the moment. 00:07:54.422 --> 00:07:58.162 No, I get that, but I think it could be one that's quite fun, 00:07:58.302 --> 00:08:02.402 one of those kind of ways to get families into TV+, that kind of thing. 00:08:02.622 --> 00:08:06.282 And as I say, if you've got those two headlining a show, that's a pretty good start, right? 00:08:07.002 --> 00:08:08.722 Oh, absolutely, absolutely. 00:08:10.222 --> 00:08:16.402 And we can come right back to the whole discussion of star power that Apple TV+, seems to command. 00:08:18.922 --> 00:08:22.342 Well, that was beautifully linked, almost like we planned this, 00:08:22.342 --> 00:08:26.882 because the next movie I want to talk about is called F1 The Movie, 00:08:26.922 --> 00:08:29.242 and it stars none other than Brad Pitt. 00:08:29.442 --> 00:08:33.722 And I don't think you get much better star power than that. 00:08:34.402 --> 00:08:38.462 Thankfully, Brad Pitt is also backed up by Javier Bardem in this film. 00:08:38.922 --> 00:08:44.642 So that's a couple of big hitters there. There's also Damsin Idris is in there. 00:08:45.142 --> 00:08:49.962 I mean, that's big hitters across the board, isn't it, while you were talking about star power? 00:08:51.382 --> 00:08:54.462 Absolutely but for me more important 00:08:54.462 --> 00:08:57.462 than the star power is or how 00:08:57.462 --> 00:09:00.822 good this looks for trailers because this 00:09:00.822 --> 00:09:04.462 is one of those that when i first heard about it like okay you know f1 racing 00:09:04.462 --> 00:09:09.362 that's fine you know but after a while f1 racing for somebody like me with a 00:09:09.362 --> 00:09:12.942 low attention span gets kind of boring it's like okay they go around the track 00:09:12.942 --> 00:09:19.562 this looks phenomenal this makes me want to watch this as soon as i can get my hands on it really. 00:09:21.822 --> 00:09:25.202 I i mean i'm not a massive f1 fan that's 00:09:25.202 --> 00:09:28.062 why i sort of high you know focused on the star power 00:09:28.062 --> 00:09:31.082 of the people in it but kind of interesting so 00:09:31.082 --> 00:09:33.802 uh the premise is that uh brad pipp has a 00:09:33.802 --> 00:09:36.542 character called sunny hayes who was dubbed the greatest that 00:09:36.542 --> 00:09:40.142 never was uh he was a phenomenon in the 90s uh 00:09:40.142 --> 00:09:43.462 but then there was a i think there was an accident 00:09:43.462 --> 00:09:48.642 uh 30 years on he's they describe it as a nomadic racer for hire so that's come 00:09:48.642 --> 00:09:53.582 back and Ruben Cervantes who is the Javier Bardem character is his former teammate 00:09:53.582 --> 00:09:58.862 so I think this could be kind of interesting you you've given me more optimism 00:09:58.862 --> 00:10:00.302 about it than I thought you would, 00:10:01.302 --> 00:10:04.362 I I'm a little surprised knowing that 00:10:04.362 --> 00:10:07.922 well you're a sports fan and F1 00:10:07.922 --> 00:10:10.842 is F1 is a sports is a sport um yeah 00:10:10.842 --> 00:10:13.962 it's never been one i've hugely got into 00:10:13.962 --> 00:10:17.022 well and i'm the same way i'm 00:10:17.022 --> 00:10:19.862 the same way yeah i mean i gave i 00:10:19.862 --> 00:10:22.662 couldn't handle it much after uh the 00:10:22.662 --> 00:10:27.262 whole lewis hamilton max verstappen but bust up a few years ago where lewis 00:10:27.262 --> 00:10:31.682 hamilton was absolutely cheated let me just say and i barely watched since it's 00:10:31.682 --> 00:10:35.722 become rather dull but yes i think this could be a very good film and i I suspect 00:10:35.722 --> 00:10:39.622 it's one of those you don't have to love the sport to kind of be getting grossed 00:10:39.622 --> 00:10:41.462 in the characters and the whole story. 00:10:42.702 --> 00:10:46.962 Interestingly, Chuck, this is going straight to cinemas. It's going to be on 00:10:46.962 --> 00:10:49.242 cinemas on the 27th of June. 00:10:50.866 --> 00:10:55.926 Well, we've seen Apple TV Plus do this before, and sometimes it hasn't worked out. 00:10:56.306 --> 00:11:00.366 I don't know if it's because it's Brad Pitt. I don't know if it's because it's 00:11:00.366 --> 00:11:02.526 a little more, based on the trailers, 00:11:02.726 --> 00:11:09.046 it's a little more of an action movie as opposed to a social commentary because 00:11:09.046 --> 00:11:11.446 we've seen the social commentary sort of crash and burn. 00:11:12.226 --> 00:11:16.506 So I have high hopes for that aspect of its success. 00:11:18.246 --> 00:11:21.966 And of course because it's going straight to it's going to be in cinemas which 00:11:21.966 --> 00:11:26.326 implies it's going to spend a rather you know a more significant period of time in cinemas, 00:11:27.546 --> 00:11:32.266 that means it can get some big awards as well because there are uh requirements 00:11:32.266 --> 00:11:36.486 you have to be in a cinema for in a certain number of places in a certain and 00:11:36.486 --> 00:11:40.486 for a certain amount of time don't you to pick up certainly oscars and i suspect 00:11:40.486 --> 00:11:45.826 other things as well so i guess maybe Maybe they're throwing it in for that kind of thing as well. 00:11:46.906 --> 00:11:52.106 Well, with Brad Pitt, I mean, that's going to pull a lot of people in automatically. 00:11:53.086 --> 00:11:59.366 And so, you know, beyond that, I mean, we'll see if it lives and dies on its merits. 00:12:00.926 --> 00:12:04.366 But, you know, I thought Apple was trying to get away from some of this, 00:12:04.546 --> 00:12:09.426 you know, taking things into theaters and doing those kind of big splashes. 00:12:10.806 --> 00:12:16.766 And here we go again. And so I just wonder if they've revised their strategy. 00:12:18.386 --> 00:12:22.346 Well, it may not be, you know, this may be a strategy for this particular movie, 00:12:22.386 --> 00:12:26.026 but it is in cinemas from the 27th of June, 2025. 00:12:26.686 --> 00:12:28.946 Would you be rushing to the theatre to watch it? 00:12:30.446 --> 00:12:34.986 If I can get it into my schedule. But yes, this is one of the few movies coming 00:12:34.986 --> 00:12:38.946 out that I would seriously consider going to the theatre to watch. 00:12:39.766 --> 00:12:46.046 How interesting. Well, you are, you're a busy man. If anyone can take you away. 00:12:47.437 --> 00:12:54.477 Brad Pitt is the man, is he? Well, no, it would be the, again, I'm basically. 00:12:54.857 --> 00:12:58.417 Is it Javier Bardem for you? Well, I'm basing so many things on the trailers, 00:12:58.457 --> 00:13:03.437 but this feels like one of those movies that would be best experience on a large 00:13:03.437 --> 00:13:05.697 screen with a monstrous sound system, 00:13:05.977 --> 00:13:11.617 you know, and that's, I mean, look, that's kind of why I personally go to the 00:13:11.617 --> 00:13:17.597 movies anymore is I'm looking for those big exciting, I'm not ready to say tentpole 00:13:17.597 --> 00:13:18.937 because that's not necessarily it, 00:13:19.057 --> 00:13:23.917 but the big exciting action movies where you get to almost experience the effects. 00:13:25.257 --> 00:13:30.577 That's what's pulling me in. The human interest stories are fine, 00:13:30.577 --> 00:13:35.897 but I can watch those on the small screen and get just as good an experience if I watch them. 00:13:35.937 --> 00:13:40.077 You want to hear the revving of the engines on a big multiplex sound system? 00:13:40.417 --> 00:13:42.557 I want to feel it shake, yes. 00:13:44.217 --> 00:13:47.157 And that is the title of our show this week 00:13:47.157 --> 00:13:52.217 thank you uh less shaking 00:13:52.217 --> 00:13:55.977 you know a bit more delicate but you 00:13:55.977 --> 00:13:59.457 know kind of tire related actually is we've got knife edge chasing the michelin 00:13:59.457 --> 00:14:07.257 stars uh is coming to apple tv plus and i this caught my attention because it 00:14:07.257 --> 00:14:13.057 is hosted uh by top jaw Or Jesse Burgess, 00:14:13.137 --> 00:14:15.357 who is on Top Draw on social media and so on. 00:14:15.417 --> 00:14:19.817 That's how I recognize it because I've seen him, the Top Draw account across social media. 00:14:21.977 --> 00:14:25.237 Gordon Ramsay is the executive producer, which is kind of fun. 00:14:26.317 --> 00:14:33.717 Yeah, so this is a little food outing, food season, which I kind of think works 00:14:33.717 --> 00:14:38.117 quite well on TV+. It's an eight-episode season. 00:14:38.937 --> 00:14:42.037 Um we've seen it do things like this with housing haven't 00:14:42.037 --> 00:14:45.517 we do you remember right at the beginning of tv plus there was that amazing show about 00:14:45.517 --> 00:14:49.377 all the sort of extraordinary weird and wonderful houses we 00:14:49.377 --> 00:14:54.097 know that apple makes this stuff look really beautiful i can 00:14:54.097 --> 00:14:57.277 see this kind of working is really quite easy to watch 00:14:57.277 --> 00:15:06.417 tv yes i agree and at the same time i feel like this fits in so well with the 00:15:06.417 --> 00:15:13.477 attitude that Apple TV tries to bring to at least some of its programming, 00:15:13.637 --> 00:15:14.857 maybe most of its programming. 00:15:15.457 --> 00:15:22.217 This is not a series about a fast food chain, let's say. 00:15:22.477 --> 00:15:24.557 No. This is about chasing Michelin stars. 00:15:25.317 --> 00:15:29.997 So there's that automatic, you know, upscale. Having Gordon Ramsay there, 00:15:30.617 --> 00:15:36.157 you know, we're back to your Star Power situation and comments. Star Park and... 00:15:37.418 --> 00:15:39.998 Just the other thing I would say, because you're right about the Starpad, 00:15:40.098 --> 00:15:43.218 but also TopJour obviously is huge on social media. 00:15:44.198 --> 00:15:49.918 And obviously, if Apple has that power to promote over social media via the 00:15:49.918 --> 00:15:55.938 TopJour account and so on, that could bring in viewers who have never watched TV Plus before, right? 00:15:57.118 --> 00:16:01.778 Absolutely. Absolutely. In some ways, I'd be surprised if it didn't. 00:16:01.778 --> 00:16:04.538 And here we go again we're back to the 00:16:04.538 --> 00:16:07.298 the discussions of how apple is 00:16:07.298 --> 00:16:10.638 positioning itself and how it's trying to expand we've been 00:16:10.638 --> 00:16:13.878 harsh critics of sometimes their lack of promotion for 00:16:13.878 --> 00:16:16.698 some really terrific shows that have to spread 00:16:16.698 --> 00:16:19.478 by word of mouth and i don't know how much they're going 00:16:19.478 --> 00:16:22.578 to promote this one but this is going to tap into a whole new audience 00:16:22.578 --> 00:16:25.778 that may never have even heard of apple apple 00:16:25.778 --> 00:16:28.738 tv plus yeah i'm just having 00:16:28.738 --> 00:16:31.518 a look at how big the top drawer account is now on 00:16:31.518 --> 00:16:34.838 tiktok i'm i suspect we're in the sort of millions 00:16:34.838 --> 00:16:37.658 of viewers kind of range which is you know 00:16:37.658 --> 00:16:41.078 that's a big deal if you can get that you know happening on 00:16:41.078 --> 00:16:44.298 your streaming service and you're 00:16:44.298 --> 00:16:47.258 so much more in touch with a lot of the social media aspects of things than 00:16:47.258 --> 00:16:52.618 i am so you're much better better able to judge you know what the potential 00:16:52.618 --> 00:16:58.258 impact is of something like that yeah actually top draw's got 198.6 thousand 00:16:58.258 --> 00:17:03.998 followers on tiktok 4.7 million likes and what are we on let's have a look on instagram. 00:17:08.674 --> 00:17:16.134 Accounts top draw is an 806 000 followers on instagram so you know we're talking 00:17:16.134 --> 00:17:20.914 pretty decent social media numbers here and the ability to get videos out to 00:17:20.914 --> 00:17:23.214 quite a big number of people, 00:17:24.274 --> 00:17:28.614 yeah and to give something i think that has got to be part of making the show 00:17:28.614 --> 00:17:33.074 right yeah and well and to give something to people that has not really been 00:17:33.074 --> 00:17:38.214 done before at least i'm not aware of any Michelin star, um, oriented shows, 00:17:38.494 --> 00:17:40.374 TVs, shows, documentaries. 00:17:40.594 --> 00:17:44.414 I'm sure there's someone out there maybe hiding on Netflix, but this is going 00:17:44.414 --> 00:17:46.574 to pull that part into the mainstream a little bit. 00:17:47.534 --> 00:17:50.634 Yeah. I'll, I'll be really interested to see how it does actually. 00:17:51.274 --> 00:17:57.054 Um, and how kind of, it's all about the show is going to be about people striving to get that award. 00:17:57.214 --> 00:18:03.134 So Apple obviously can have a bit of, you know, that, uh, the drama that comes 00:18:03.134 --> 00:18:06.774 with that, the You've got a nice little arc of highs and lows and so on. 00:18:06.894 --> 00:18:10.114 So I think this will be quite an interesting one to watch and see. 00:18:10.314 --> 00:18:15.794 And as I say, I suspect Apple will make it look absolutely beautiful when these 00:18:15.794 --> 00:18:17.614 things are put all together. 00:18:18.914 --> 00:18:26.514 Well, you admitted before the show, you have finally, Chuck Joyner, finished shrinking. 00:18:27.694 --> 00:18:32.074 Did you enjoy it? Yes. Yes. 00:18:39.254 --> 00:18:46.234 I was quite happy to see how much I enjoyed it. I mean, Harrison Ford is brilliant. 00:18:46.434 --> 00:18:48.574 There's no doubt about it. He's brilliant. 00:18:49.154 --> 00:18:54.914 You know, just as creating. Totally wonderful. Well, creating the character 00:18:54.914 --> 00:18:56.914 that he does and making it believable. 00:18:58.375 --> 00:19:04.635 You know, some of the plot lines got a little bit sticky, and, 00:19:04.735 --> 00:19:08.995 you know, at some point, how many times can one character shoot itself in the 00:19:08.995 --> 00:19:10.895 foot, or him or herself in the foot? 00:19:11.555 --> 00:19:13.935 But other than that, I have to— Wait, who are you talking about? 00:19:14.155 --> 00:19:17.235 Oh, no, I'm not—no, no, no, no. No, I don't want to do any spoilers. 00:19:18.635 --> 00:19:25.555 But I will say this, that the season wrapped up in a very satisfactory fashion for me. 00:19:26.515 --> 00:19:30.915 So, you know, because somewhere about the two-thirds of the way through, 00:19:31.195 --> 00:19:34.935 some of the things got just a little tedious. It was like from the standpoint 00:19:34.935 --> 00:19:39.515 of just too many crises of their own making. 00:19:40.555 --> 00:19:46.615 But they wrapped it up really well and made me look forward to season three. 00:19:47.255 --> 00:19:50.555 And so that that to me is this that's the 00:19:50.555 --> 00:19:53.815 mark of some really great um i 00:19:53.815 --> 00:19:57.335 guess not filmmaking but production making um 00:19:57.335 --> 00:20:00.795 yeah yeah it made me want to come back even 00:20:00.795 --> 00:20:04.935 though there were moments when i was dissatisfied there's something 00:20:04.935 --> 00:20:08.155 i really want to discuss with you but we 00:20:08.155 --> 00:20:12.935 can't do it without spoilers i feel like shrinking has been out long enough 00:20:12.935 --> 00:20:18.155 that we can do spoilers and if you have a watched it and want to watch it like 00:20:18.155 --> 00:20:24.775 forward the next two or three minutes and uh they can come back to us yeah the 00:20:24.775 --> 00:20:27.835 bit that stuck with me and i think this is what you're hitting at, 00:20:28.975 --> 00:20:36.195 was the relationship between the daughter and the brett goldstein character 00:20:36.195 --> 00:20:41.315 who had obviously been involved in the accident that triggers the whole thing killing the mother. 00:20:42.915 --> 00:20:50.415 I found it very hard to get my head around how that relationship would develop 00:20:50.415 --> 00:20:53.295 and they would have that level of relationship. 00:20:53.615 --> 00:20:56.755 Like I can understand that they would have an interaction and move on, 00:20:56.815 --> 00:21:03.955 but the idea they became as close as they did, I found quite hard to understand. 00:21:05.375 --> 00:21:10.395 Yes, you did it very well. First of all, Brett Goldstein was brilliant in this. 00:21:11.555 --> 00:21:16.535 If you know him only from Ted Lasso, it's a completely different Brett Goldstein. 00:21:16.675 --> 00:21:21.335 Because when he first came on, it's like, uh-oh, not sure how this is going 00:21:21.335 --> 00:21:23.315 to work. And he was phenomenal. 00:21:24.095 --> 00:21:25.695 But I agree with you. 00:21:26.778 --> 00:21:32.618 One of the things, though, I have to recognize is that the speed of a series 00:21:32.618 --> 00:21:36.598 like this, that the episodes are 30 minutes, give or take a little bit. 00:21:37.218 --> 00:21:42.818 And, you know, so you're not having time to drag things out or carry something 00:21:42.818 --> 00:21:48.318 over a long period of time, of subjective time. 00:21:50.198 --> 00:21:55.678 So, yeah, the only thing that really – and I think Brett's the one that saved 00:21:55.678 --> 00:22:01.278 it because the – okay, since we are doing spoilers, if you're listening, folks, stop now. 00:22:01.278 --> 00:22:08.038 But the way he communicated the depth of his guilt and the depth of his sorrow 00:22:08.038 --> 00:22:14.158 about being involved in the accident, I think is what really carried it. 00:22:14.258 --> 00:22:20.318 And I think what made the relationship between that and the daughter, 00:22:20.798 --> 00:22:25.758 who was obviously terribly upset because of her mother being killed, 00:22:26.378 --> 00:22:30.938 that they were both hurting over the very same incident, just from different angles. 00:22:31.638 --> 00:22:34.358 Yeah, and they don't just make him an obnoxious bad guy. 00:22:35.198 --> 00:22:38.778 Yes, yes, exactly. Or they didn't show him moving on. 00:22:39.058 --> 00:22:43.918 And they showed him there were implications at times where he was implied to 00:22:43.918 --> 00:22:48.958 be being judged because he allegedly had been drunk. 00:22:49.138 --> 00:22:52.258 Well, in the story, he had been drunk and caused the accident. 00:22:52.758 --> 00:22:58.858 And so you saw him being kind of rejected from a Thanksgiving party because of that. 00:22:58.858 --> 00:23:04.318 And, you know, that too is one of those brilliant pieces of acting and brilliant 00:23:04.318 --> 00:23:11.618 pieces of writing that really drove home just how much his life was being affected by this. 00:23:12.678 --> 00:23:16.738 Oh, totally agree. And as you mentioned, Harrison Ford, 00:23:17.018 --> 00:23:22.718 the final spoiler is, yeah, the way they developed that character and him coming 00:23:22.718 --> 00:23:27.698 to terms with his Parkinson's and all that. I thought Harrison Ford was utterly brilliant in it. 00:23:28.398 --> 00:23:33.098 Yeah, I would absolutely, just because I said what I did about, 00:23:33.178 --> 00:23:37.378 you know, there being some questionable plot points, I would heartily recommend 00:23:37.378 --> 00:23:41.058 shrinking season two to anyone, especially if you enjoyed season one. 00:23:41.838 --> 00:23:47.578 But yes, but I would also say make sure you give it the whole run. 00:23:47.798 --> 00:23:51.398 Make sure you watch the whole thing. Because even if you do see some low points 00:23:51.398 --> 00:23:54.478 like I felt like I did, it pays off in the end. 00:23:55.522 --> 00:24:00.382 Yeah, I think so. And that brings us nicely to season three, 00:24:00.422 --> 00:24:04.102 because there is going to be a season three that's already been booked. 00:24:05.162 --> 00:24:10.802 There is also discussion about season four, which is interesting because this 00:24:10.802 --> 00:24:14.622 is made just by the way, by Bill Lawrence is the one behind Shrieking, 00:24:14.862 --> 00:24:18.282 behind Ted Lasso, behind Scrubs, so on and so forth. 00:24:18.282 --> 00:24:22.062 Um but it i take 00:24:22.062 --> 00:24:26.042 this quite personally so this was 00:24:26.042 --> 00:24:30.582 he says according to bill lawrence a story that was consistent of three parts 00:24:30.582 --> 00:24:36.022 but there may be season four now i take this personally because bill lawrence 00:24:36.022 --> 00:24:40.262 told me this about ted lasso as well he told me that it was going to be a three 00:24:40.262 --> 00:24:46.022 season arc and that was the end as we now know it's coming back in some form for season four. 00:24:47.562 --> 00:24:51.562 Um but this is what's happening again with shrinking do you think it could go 00:24:51.562 --> 00:24:57.402 for four seasons five i i definitely can see the room for a third i i think 00:24:57.402 --> 00:24:59.782 so i think it just just like, 00:25:00.582 --> 00:25:06.122 if it was originally conceived as three and you tell the story the stories that 00:25:06.122 --> 00:25:09.922 were to be told in three it doesn't mean you can't start uh maybe toward the 00:25:09.922 --> 00:25:16.082 end of three start new stories or new story arcs that would carry over into a season four. 00:25:16.242 --> 00:25:19.282 And I don't mean cliffhangers, but I just mean story arcs. 00:25:19.662 --> 00:25:26.162 So if the characters are working and keeping, if they can keep me engaged, 00:25:26.482 --> 00:25:28.222 then they're doing great. 00:25:28.222 --> 00:25:31.362 Because I told you before, shrinking was something that, yeah, 00:25:31.442 --> 00:25:35.062 I'll get around to it on season one. And once I did, I was hooked. 00:25:35.862 --> 00:25:41.462 So if they can continue to do that so that you don't get burned out on the characters, 00:25:41.962 --> 00:25:47.602 and on the premise of the whole thing, you know, why not season four, season five? 00:25:47.962 --> 00:25:49.982 You know, take it for as long as you can. Yeah. 00:25:51.030 --> 00:25:56.310 Um i as i say i'll definitely be watching season three show that we're not getting 00:25:56.310 --> 00:26:01.290 any more seasons of mythic quest did you see this news truck they're ending 00:26:01.290 --> 00:26:05.630 mythic quest with season four i've watched season four i absolutely loved it 00:26:05.630 --> 00:26:09.130 of course um i thought it was great. 00:26:10.810 --> 00:26:13.710 Apparently that was never scheduled to be then there was we did hear 00:26:13.710 --> 00:26:16.790 news before of they're going to be a fifth season but that 00:26:16.790 --> 00:26:19.850 is not happening now and interestingly it looks 00:26:19.850 --> 00:26:23.590 like the cast going to be allowed to reshoot uh the 00:26:23.590 --> 00:26:26.790 final episode they're going 00:26:26.790 --> 00:26:29.490 to do a give us a different ending that wraps everything up a 00:26:29.490 --> 00:26:32.290 bit better which i kind of like that they're allowing 00:26:32.290 --> 00:26:35.090 that to happen yeah i agree i agree 00:26:35.090 --> 00:26:38.290 i mean i've watched i've watched season four and i 00:26:38.290 --> 00:26:41.690 watched the the reshoot and it 00:26:41.690 --> 00:26:44.510 was the reshoot out now i haven't had a chance to reshoot yes the 00:26:44.510 --> 00:26:47.130 reshoots out and i think that we need a 00:26:47.130 --> 00:26:50.130 little but a little more time go by before we discuss that 00:26:50.130 --> 00:26:53.070 so we don't spoil anything for anyone yeah yeah yeah good bad 00:26:53.070 --> 00:26:56.430 okay we'll behave on that one i'll behave i'll 00:26:56.430 --> 00:26:59.150 contain myself yeah but i i was sorry to see it 00:26:59.150 --> 00:27:02.090 go and again this is something apple tv does 00:27:02.090 --> 00:27:05.530 apple tv plus does so much for me and and 00:27:05.530 --> 00:27:08.830 that is that they they give me shows that i don't 00:27:08.830 --> 00:27:12.550 think i would ever be interested in but somebody recommends 00:27:12.550 --> 00:27:16.630 that somebody says you got to give it a try okay i'll you know watch an episode 00:27:16.630 --> 00:27:23.110 or two and then i'm hooked and and i'm not easily hooked so mythic quest was 00:27:23.110 --> 00:27:28.370 was brilliant i thoroughly enjoyed it and i was really really sorry to see it 00:27:28.370 --> 00:27:31.990 go likewise have you done side quest yet. 00:27:33.368 --> 00:27:36.988 The spin-off of Mythic Quest. I haven't had it. Okay. I need to get to that. 00:27:37.108 --> 00:27:39.668 Maybe I'll watch that and we'll discuss that on the next episode. 00:27:39.888 --> 00:27:46.588 That sounds good. I'll watch the reshoot and the side quest and we'll get to that as well. 00:27:47.208 --> 00:27:50.208 Yeah, sounds good. Well, you've covered a lot of ground. 00:27:50.768 --> 00:27:54.288 Is there anything on the slate? Well, we've discussed the F1 movie, 00:27:54.308 --> 00:27:56.368 which you and I both are interested in, I think. 00:27:56.708 --> 00:28:00.788 Anything else on the slate that you're going to be settling down to in the near future? 00:28:01.888 --> 00:28:05.748 In the near future, probably not. I've got some other things I need to catch up on. 00:28:06.968 --> 00:28:11.948 I did see, was it, did they do a new Foundation trailer? I think they did. 00:28:12.828 --> 00:28:17.608 I'm really anxious to have that, get that back going, but I think it's going to be a little while. 00:28:19.868 --> 00:28:24.868 11th of July, Season 3 comes out. Oh, is that? Okay, good. So I don't have that long to wait. 00:28:27.468 --> 00:28:30.548 You caught me cold there with that one because I really didn't look, 00:28:30.788 --> 00:28:33.668 look at what's coming up but it always seems 00:28:33.668 --> 00:28:36.568 like there's something of the to take us backward 00:28:36.568 --> 00:28:39.668 a little bit the michelin stars one i didn't see coming 00:28:39.668 --> 00:28:42.708 and i saw the gordon ramsay things uh the 00:28:42.708 --> 00:28:45.808 you know the fact that he was going to have a show on apple tv plus but 00:28:45.808 --> 00:28:49.448 then when i saw what it's going to be it's like okay great because 00:28:49.448 --> 00:28:52.328 after a while i can i can only handle so much of gordon ramsay running around 00:28:52.328 --> 00:28:56.108 screaming at sous chefs chuck where 00:28:56.108 --> 00:28:59.108 can people keep up with you in between these 00:28:59.108 --> 00:29:04.888 episodes yes well or with these episodes you can find me at macvoices.com that's 00:29:04.888 --> 00:29:09.068 where i'm still releasing some interviews from nab we're doing the road to mac 00:29:09.068 --> 00:29:15.128 stock series and trying to just keep all the content going and on on social 00:29:15.128 --> 00:29:17.208 media you can find me as at chuck joiner. 00:29:19.308 --> 00:29:24.188 Yes i'm very excited to watch all that stuff i love your nab stuff i'm at charlotte 00:29:24.188 --> 00:29:25.588 a henry across social media. 00:29:26.148 --> 00:29:30.528 Obviously, I'd love you to head to theedition.net. You can read more blog posts, 00:29:31.148 --> 00:29:34.688 newsletters, podcasts from me over there. 00:29:35.508 --> 00:29:39.008 And the reason why I've been slightly gone the last couple of weeks is because 00:29:39.008 --> 00:29:41.848 I've been finishing the manuscript to my book, Streaming Wars, 00:29:41.988 --> 00:29:45.068 How Getting Everything We Wanted Changed Entertainment Forever. 00:29:45.748 --> 00:29:48.968 It's now available to pre-order on Amazon, if you can believe it. 00:29:49.768 --> 00:29:54.128 That's going to be out on October the 3rd. As I say, you can pre-order it on Amazon now. 00:29:54.768 --> 00:29:58.308 I will be pushing this link wherever you can find anything from me. 00:29:58.448 --> 00:30:02.328 So please do check it out. And if you pre-order, that does make a huge difference. 00:30:02.328 --> 00:30:04.848 And I will love you even more. 00:30:05.688 --> 00:30:09.668 Well, Chuck, this has been great fun. I'm excited that we have so much more 00:30:09.668 --> 00:30:12.688 to talk about in the near future. So we'll see you all soon. 00:30:13.308 --> 00:30:15.388 Sounds good. Thanks for watching, folks.