WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:11.600 Music. 00:00:11.922 --> 00:00:16.122 Welcome to TV Plus Talk. I'm Chuck Joyner, and she is. 00:00:17.582 --> 00:00:21.562 I'm Charlotte Henry, and we're back, Chuck. I missed you, man. 00:00:21.942 --> 00:00:26.342 I missed you too, Charlotte. It's our respective schedules. We're just busy 00:00:26.342 --> 00:00:29.802 people, and it seemed like we could not put things together, 00:00:29.802 --> 00:00:34.262 but we are back on track, and I don't know about you, but I plan to stay that way. 00:00:35.582 --> 00:00:39.722 Yeah, we're back. We're back. There's a lot to talk about. We've got a lot to 00:00:39.722 --> 00:00:42.842 catch up on, So I'm really, really pleased that we're back with TV Plus Talk. 00:00:43.242 --> 00:00:45.202 Obviously, it goes out on both of our channels. 00:00:45.642 --> 00:00:48.362 So it's great. I'm excited to be back with you. 00:00:49.262 --> 00:00:55.042 Yep. And Apple TV Plus, again, continues to give us a lot to talk about. 00:00:55.422 --> 00:00:59.762 So that's why we do this show. And we're glad to have you with us, folks. 00:01:00.982 --> 00:01:04.102 So where do you want to start, Charlotte? Do you want to dig back to? 00:01:06.062 --> 00:01:09.762 Well, look, let's talk about the thing I'm not going to be upset about first. 00:01:10.322 --> 00:01:15.302 And then we can come back to, we'll deal with, we'll have a therapy session afterwards. 00:01:16.402 --> 00:01:20.602 Really interesting. Apple has been nominated for two Peabody Awards, 00:01:20.762 --> 00:01:24.782 which are pretty serious journalism awards. 00:01:25.482 --> 00:01:31.462 And yeah, it's been awarded that for two different, two of its documentaries, 00:01:31.902 --> 00:01:32.962 which is a pretty big deal. 00:01:33.122 --> 00:01:37.162 It's been nominated for Bread and Roses and The Last of the Sea Women. 00:01:38.502 --> 00:01:42.762 The interesting thing about this Chuck and we both said it sort of shamed facely 00:01:42.762 --> 00:01:45.482 right was we read this story and we're like, 00:01:46.517 --> 00:01:49.937 I don't think I've heard of these shows, and I haven't watched them, 00:01:50.137 --> 00:01:54.797 which is interesting, shameful. What was your take? 00:01:55.757 --> 00:02:00.917 You know, the one criticism we've had consistently of Apple TV+, 00:02:00.917 --> 00:02:06.237 is that they don't do a great job of promoting things. 00:02:06.637 --> 00:02:11.937 Both of these documentaries look very interesting, and I didn't know about them. 00:02:11.937 --> 00:02:16.917 And I haven't seen anything about them until I saw that article from Apple World Today. 00:02:17.377 --> 00:02:24.717 So, you know, I'm adding them to my list and I'll get to them eventually, 00:02:25.437 --> 00:02:30.997 along with, you know, about a dozen other things that are on Apple TV Plus that I need to get to. 00:02:31.517 --> 00:02:35.357 But I just wish there was a way that we could get a little more consistency 00:02:35.357 --> 00:02:38.837 of notification of some of these things. Yeah. 00:02:39.357 --> 00:02:42.477 So just for people who are like us and haven't heard of these shows. 00:02:43.437 --> 00:02:47.277 Bread and Roses is described as Saramani's documentary follows the experiences 00:02:47.277 --> 00:02:50.217 of Afghan women since the Taliban took control of Kabul, 00:02:50.497 --> 00:02:54.337 including an ex-government employee forced to stay indoors, a woman organising 00:02:54.337 --> 00:02:58.857 resistance via her dentistry practice and a refugee who flees to Pakistan. 00:02:59.457 --> 00:03:04.237 And for the last of the Sea Women, that's described as Director Sue Kim follows 00:03:04.237 --> 00:03:06.477 a declining community of women in South Korea, 00:03:06.477 --> 00:03:09.837 most of them now in their 60s or older who 00:03:09.837 --> 00:03:12.757 dive to the ocean floor without oxygen tanks to harvest 00:03:12.757 --> 00:03:15.417 seafood to feed their community as you said 00:03:15.417 --> 00:03:21.077 these both sound kind of fascinating what i do also think is apple tv plus has 00:03:21.077 --> 00:03:25.957 proven itself since its launch a few years ago to be particularly good at documentaries 00:03:25.957 --> 00:03:31.857 that is one of the things it's really strong i would say so i mean and hence 00:03:31.857 --> 00:03:34.117 the award nominations because they're good, 00:03:35.477 --> 00:03:41.057 but it goes back to your key point which is if you and I haven't heard of these 00:03:41.057 --> 00:03:47.117 there's not that much help of any normal people hearing of them and the promotion is not good enough. 00:03:48.894 --> 00:03:52.834 Well, first of all, I think you just called us not normal, but that's maybe 00:03:52.834 --> 00:03:55.554 accurate. Maybe accurate. Chuck, come on. 00:03:57.294 --> 00:04:01.594 No, you know, Charlotte, I agree. I was particularly intrigued that these two 00:04:01.594 --> 00:04:04.854 documentaries are focused on women. 00:04:05.074 --> 00:04:08.874 The first one almost sounds cloak and dagger. I'm really anxious to watch that. 00:04:09.214 --> 00:04:15.234 And the second one just sounds like one of those, I don't know, feel good pieces. 00:04:16.114 --> 00:04:19.134 Yeah, I suspect it looks beautiful. Oh, yeah. 00:04:19.354 --> 00:04:22.174 Yeah. So, you know, but I agree with you. 00:04:22.274 --> 00:04:26.474 They have this great reputation for documentaries, and it just seems like it 00:04:26.474 --> 00:04:31.614 doesn't get the kind of publicity that – and I don't expect it to get, 00:04:31.654 --> 00:04:33.234 like, Avengers-level publicity. 00:04:33.514 --> 00:04:37.774 You know, that's not realistic. But there's so much good stuff on Apple TV, 00:04:37.774 --> 00:04:41.794 and if you don't listen to us, you may be missing out on some of it. 00:04:41.894 --> 00:04:43.914 And so that's another good reason to listen to us. 00:04:44.134 --> 00:04:46.434 But it's not – A hundred percent. I was just going to say, yeah. 00:04:46.434 --> 00:04:50.254 Yeah, but it's also another good reason to go and explore Apple TV Plus and 00:04:50.254 --> 00:04:53.054 see what all is there, because there is a lot. 00:04:54.174 --> 00:05:00.854 Yeah, just to give you a kind of idea of the caliber of things that get into the Peabody Awards. 00:05:01.694 --> 00:05:08.394 In one of the categories, we've got things like Superman, the Christopher Reeve story. 00:05:09.274 --> 00:05:12.494 We've got The Truth vs. Alex Jones. 00:05:12.634 --> 00:05:16.334 Both of those are from HBO Max. You know, we're talking about serious, 00:05:16.534 --> 00:05:21.594 serious stuff that Apple is competing with. I go through the list more. 00:05:21.834 --> 00:05:27.374 But my point is, it's a very prestigious thing for Apple to have been, 00:05:27.554 --> 00:05:32.614 or products on Apple, I should say, to have been nominated for. 00:05:32.794 --> 00:05:38.414 And so I'm surprised we didn't hear a bit more about it from Apple. Maybe we missed it. 00:05:39.014 --> 00:05:41.134 And I'm surprised that. 00:05:43.394 --> 00:05:48.514 I'm just surprised we haven't heard more about these shows I think there's one 00:05:48.514 --> 00:05:52.154 on here that I've actually there is one documentary on here that I've seen that's 00:05:52.154 --> 00:05:56.494 competing against Apple which is called Hollywoodgate which is again about Afghanistan, 00:05:57.354 --> 00:06:02.634 and the return to Taliban control in Afghanistan which is a fascinating documentary 00:06:02.634 --> 00:06:05.234 if you get to see a chance to see that, 00:06:06.214 --> 00:06:10.254 There's all sorts of, you know, very serious bits of work on there. 00:06:12.614 --> 00:06:20.974 So it's an amazing achievement by Apple. But again, what is going on that these shows kind of get lost? 00:06:21.274 --> 00:06:24.854 I think having discussed this for as much time as you and I have, 00:06:24.954 --> 00:06:28.434 Chuck, I have to ask you the question, is the fact that we're not hearing about 00:06:28.434 --> 00:06:32.034 this stuff showing that Apple doesn't really care that much about TV+. 00:06:33.204 --> 00:06:36.164 I know that's a controversial way to return to this show, and I'm sorry, 00:06:36.484 --> 00:06:40.964 but, you know, at a certain point, we have to ask these questions. 00:06:42.084 --> 00:06:47.264 You know, look, I know that TV Plus is not a big revenue generator at this point. 00:06:47.264 --> 00:06:50.704 It is a revenue generator, but it's not one of the major ones. 00:06:51.244 --> 00:06:54.904 The second thing is, and I want to try to be fair here, that, 00:06:55.024 --> 00:06:57.164 you know, not everything can rise to the top. 00:06:57.624 --> 00:07:02.764 And there have been so many other things that have been Apple-oriented in the headlines. 00:07:03.204 --> 00:07:08.284 And, of course, the entire news cycle right now has been upended in so many 00:07:08.284 --> 00:07:10.204 different ways. Yeah, right. 00:07:10.924 --> 00:07:15.564 Yeah, you've really been under the table writing the new book. 00:07:15.984 --> 00:07:18.104 Well, quite common. No, I'm not going to start. 00:07:18.684 --> 00:07:23.984 Yeah, but sometimes I feel like maybe we just don't follow the right channels, 00:07:24.024 --> 00:07:29.464 but I do feel like the tech press doesn't do the best job of picking up on some of this. 00:07:30.084 --> 00:07:33.104 And so I almost want to please – That's why we started TV Press Talk, right? 00:07:33.204 --> 00:07:36.584 Yeah, well, and I almost want to plead to them, you know, okay, 00:07:36.684 --> 00:07:38.424 guys, I know that you're looking for content. 00:07:38.844 --> 00:07:44.264 And so pay a little more attention to some of this because this is Apple news. 00:07:45.044 --> 00:07:49.084 And you should be covering it. I applaud Dennis Sellers at Apple World today 00:07:49.084 --> 00:07:52.564 for unearthing this because I don't think I saw it anywhere else. 00:07:52.764 --> 00:07:55.444 So if he hadn't brought it to our attention, we wouldn't have known. 00:07:56.484 --> 00:08:00.224 Well, it's the kind of thing that I've tried to follow and maintain. 00:08:00.324 --> 00:08:06.224 But you're right. It does go underreported. um and that's not great but you 00:08:06.224 --> 00:08:11.744 also have to put a little bit of responsibility of that onto the apple pr operation 00:08:11.744 --> 00:08:16.584 surely if they're releasing if they are failing to release, 00:08:17.164 --> 00:08:22.184 is that right if they're failing to release press releases yes i agree yeah 00:08:22.184 --> 00:08:26.464 but it goes beyond that as well like anyone can stick a press release onto email 00:08:26.464 --> 00:08:30.904 or on a website you've got to have an ongoing conversation with the right people 00:08:30.904 --> 00:08:36.764 and get the word out there and be communicating in the right way. 00:08:38.461 --> 00:08:41.341 Correct correct and we 00:08:41.341 --> 00:08:44.001 also know that there's no guarantee that just because apple sends a 00:08:44.001 --> 00:08:46.901 press release that somebody's going to pick it up and put it 00:08:46.901 --> 00:08:51.001 out on their on their uh their site so i 00:08:51.001 --> 00:08:53.701 don't know what the answer is like it needs you to go 00:08:53.701 --> 00:08:56.741 beyond above and beyond that and the fact that apple often 00:08:56.741 --> 00:08:59.621 doesn't do that makes me wonder do we 00:08:59.621 --> 00:09:03.581 care more about apple tv plus than they do no i 00:09:03.581 --> 00:09:06.641 i still think apple's playing the long game with 00:09:06.641 --> 00:09:09.681 tv plus um you know i think that it's been 00:09:09.681 --> 00:09:12.701 nearly six years now yeah well that's 00:09:12.701 --> 00:09:15.781 okay i mean to the 00:09:15.781 --> 00:09:18.721 gift for them to get to where they are with all the awards you're 00:09:18.721 --> 00:09:21.481 you're more the awards person than i am but they have 00:09:21.481 --> 00:09:24.141 they've really spent a lot of time and a lot of 00:09:24.141 --> 00:09:27.101 money and they don't you don't just buy those 00:09:27.101 --> 00:09:29.961 awards i mean they have to create great content because they're 00:09:29.961 --> 00:09:32.761 up against a lot of other people with a whole lot of 00:09:32.761 --> 00:09:35.981 money creating great content and so they're 00:09:35.981 --> 00:09:38.781 they're right in their in the ring swinging with them 00:09:38.781 --> 00:09:42.321 it's just that i mean 00:09:42.321 --> 00:09:45.061 maybe i almost say maybe if it 00:09:45.061 --> 00:09:48.001 were branded differently if it were a completely different service it 00:09:48.001 --> 00:09:50.941 might get more attention i don't 00:09:50.941 --> 00:09:54.141 know about that so i'm just browsing through the apple tv plus 00:09:54.141 --> 00:09:57.221 press releases there was not surprisingly 00:09:57.221 --> 00:10:01.161 a big press release at the 27th of march for its 00:10:01.161 --> 00:10:04.561 uh 13 bafta nominations which. 00:10:04.561 --> 00:10:09.521 Is obviously a very significant achievement um there's. 00:10:09.521 --> 00:10:12.241 Nothing for nothing regarding the 00:10:12.241 --> 00:10:15.201 peabody award that i 00:10:15.201 --> 00:10:17.901 can see so that's again seems a 00:10:17.901 --> 00:10:21.001 bit surprising to me anyway it's 00:10:21.001 --> 00:10:24.201 not really we're not here to particularly critique the uh 00:10:24.201 --> 00:10:27.281 apple pr operation i just throw it out there as 00:10:27.281 --> 00:10:30.861 a sort of indication of where apple tv plus ranks 00:10:30.861 --> 00:10:35.261 in the uh the kind of um hierarchy of 00:10:35.261 --> 00:10:41.021 things tim cook people tim cook down care about i have no doubt that the people 00:10:41.021 --> 00:10:45.721 work on tv plus uh really really care about it and that's why there's good stuff 00:10:45.721 --> 00:10:50.301 on there but i think the fact that since we started the show we've had to have 00:10:50.301 --> 00:10:51.701 this conversation repeatedly, 00:10:51.701 --> 00:10:56.121 does say something to me, I think. 00:10:56.661 --> 00:11:01.201 Well, I think one of the other things I want to talk about a little later did 00:11:01.201 --> 00:11:03.621 not get much publicity. I did see a little. 00:11:04.741 --> 00:11:10.421 But I want to be fair about this. Does anybody publicize documentaries? 00:11:12.221 --> 00:11:17.661 Well, it's a great point. And documentaries aren't as sexy as something like 00:11:17.661 --> 00:11:21.201 a BAFTA drama or a blockbuster movie. You're totally right about that. 00:11:21.361 --> 00:11:25.441 You're like, that's 100% true. But it just seems a shame that like, 00:11:25.601 --> 00:11:31.221 when you're up for a prestigious award against the likes of the New York Times, New Yorker, 00:11:32.223 --> 00:11:35.143 audibles in their pbs all of 00:11:35.143 --> 00:11:38.203 these people are in various categories for a peabody award 00:11:38.203 --> 00:11:41.103 seems a shame to not make a 00:11:41.103 --> 00:11:45.083 big a bit more of a fuss about it yeah i 00:11:45.083 --> 00:11:50.683 listen i agree i agree i mean i would think that and maybe maybe they will i've 00:11:50.683 --> 00:11:54.843 i don't remember for the article i don't have it uploaded right now um as to 00:11:54.843 --> 00:12:02.963 when the peabody awards are are awarded i seem to be happy yeah yeah i yeah I don't know the day, 00:12:03.163 --> 00:12:06.683 but we'll keep an eye on it because, of course, we'll let you know about it 00:12:06.683 --> 00:12:09.223 on TV Plus Talk if Apple comes away with the awards. 00:12:10.483 --> 00:12:16.223 And I don't want to detract as well from the achievement of Apple of commissioning 00:12:16.223 --> 00:12:21.583 this work, because that's really important to tell these stories. 00:12:22.443 --> 00:12:26.043 And I think part of my frustration is these stories, as you said, 00:12:26.163 --> 00:12:27.723 like they sound fascinating, right? 00:12:27.783 --> 00:12:31.083 I'm sure they're beautifully shot and edited, these documentaries. documentaries 00:12:31.083 --> 00:12:33.943 are you know like you I'm going to try and settle down to watch 00:12:33.943 --> 00:12:37.323 them at some point and so it seems a shame if 00:12:37.323 --> 00:12:42.163 they're getting lost either in the app in you know within media coverage and 00:12:42.163 --> 00:12:48.703 so on because I really commend Apple for the fact that it has consistently put 00:12:48.703 --> 00:12:53.223 out really really high caliber documentaries did you ever watch the one Chuck 00:12:53.223 --> 00:12:57.023 when it TV plus first came out that looked at, I've forgotten the name, 00:12:57.123 --> 00:13:02.043 but it looked at various kind of extraordinary homes that people had built and 00:13:02.043 --> 00:13:04.743 lived in. Did you ever get to see that? I loved that. 00:13:05.083 --> 00:13:11.063 I did. Yeah, it was great. And so, you know, that, I don't know if that's the 00:13:11.063 --> 00:13:13.383 kind of thing that people just, if you're a documentary person, 00:13:13.383 --> 00:13:16.843 you're going to automatically go and check the documentary section. 00:13:18.143 --> 00:13:22.043 And look, I get it. There are no stars in documentaries. 00:13:22.423 --> 00:13:26.603 So you don't have those, you know, those personality appeals that happen. 00:13:26.843 --> 00:13:31.983 So, and maybe I'm making excuses. I don't know. I, I, I just, I've, I feel like. 00:13:32.988 --> 00:13:37.968 There are so many things on Apple TV Plus that don't get the kind of attention that they should. 00:13:38.188 --> 00:13:46.908 But now, maybe to do a little bit of a transition here, Severance is the second season has wrapped. 00:13:47.348 --> 00:13:54.588 And the Apple PR team did an amazing job of doing different things, 00:13:54.828 --> 00:14:00.248 having Tim Cook become a member of the company and have him enter the world of Severance. 00:14:00.248 --> 00:14:04.548 And, you know, all these crazy little promotions that were just fun. 00:14:04.728 --> 00:14:10.348 I know that I have sort of an up and down relationship with Severance. 00:14:10.488 --> 00:14:11.888 I've thoroughly enjoyed it. 00:14:12.088 --> 00:14:15.108 I can't say that, oh, my God, I was just hanging on every episode. 00:14:15.728 --> 00:14:20.908 But I've absolutely enjoyed it. My friends, though, that are Severance obsessed, 00:14:21.188 --> 00:14:25.708 just delighted in all these little Easter egg kind of things that they were putting out. 00:14:26.548 --> 00:14:29.828 Yeah, I mean, it shows you that when Apple wants to do it, it really can. 00:14:29.828 --> 00:14:32.848 Obviously, Severance has been a huge, huge hit. 00:14:33.428 --> 00:14:37.248 Are we at Ted Lasso levels yet? What do you think? Are we there? 00:14:37.888 --> 00:14:41.248 Oh, that's an interesting question. I think it's close. 00:14:41.648 --> 00:14:47.648 I think you're kind of right, which is kind of amazing given how long the time 00:14:47.648 --> 00:14:49.668 was between the first season and the second season. 00:14:50.008 --> 00:14:52.928 They've already announced the third season, so that's great. 00:14:53.108 --> 00:14:55.468 You know, we're going to get to continue to play in this world. 00:14:56.128 --> 00:15:00.288 So, yeah. And it's not a comedy. 00:15:00.668 --> 00:15:06.168 I'm not sure what it is, but it's definitely not a comedy. But it's not funny. Yeah. 00:15:11.780 --> 00:15:17.680 Um from well you're talking about a show that's been renewed for another season, 00:15:19.020 --> 00:15:24.920 i'm going to talk about a show that is going after a season well it's going 00:15:24.920 --> 00:15:30.360 after its current season mythic quest you actually were the one that broke this news to me. 00:15:31.380 --> 00:15:35.920 Uh mythic quest is going at the end of season four i'm currently watching season 00:15:35.920 --> 00:15:39.300 four it's i think it's the best show on tv plus i've said that time and time 00:15:39.300 --> 00:15:40.700 again i really stand by it 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:43.700 is brilliant uh i've really enjoyed season 00:15:43.700 --> 00:15:47.640 four at just at the point i thought 00:15:47.640 --> 00:15:50.640 i was gonna fall out of love with the show they do little things that 00:15:50.640 --> 00:15:53.320 keep me loving it it's so clever so i'm a 00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:56.460 huge huge fan have you been watching season four 00:15:56.460 --> 00:15:59.440 not yet not yet it's it's really 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:02.700 good you'll enjoy it when you get there yeah i've i was divided 00:16:02.700 --> 00:16:05.620 that we finally got there and we're getting we got season 00:16:05.620 --> 00:16:08.600 four and then when i got this news it's like oh okay 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:11.520 you know that's disappointing i'm still going to watch it 00:16:11.520 --> 00:16:14.440 obviously oh yeah and you were 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:17.600 telling me chuck that they're going to reshoot season four 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:21.020 so that has a proper ending well the 00:16:21.020 --> 00:16:23.700 last seat the last episode and i think this is 00:16:23.700 --> 00:16:27.040 brilliant by the way because too many 00:16:27.040 --> 00:16:29.900 shows out there they just get cancelled they end on 00:16:29.900 --> 00:16:32.940 a cliffhanger and then frankly i'm hesitant 00:16:32.940 --> 00:16:35.980 to recommend those shows to anyone because you know 00:16:35.980 --> 00:16:40.040 that there's going to be this unsatisfying ending so they're 00:16:40.040 --> 00:16:47.560 going to let uh re-edit and reshoot the last episode to put an ending to the 00:16:47.560 --> 00:16:51.860 story now that doesn't come out now for at least a month or two um that that 00:16:51.860 --> 00:16:56.240 last one you right now you can still watch the full regular season just keep 00:16:56.240 --> 00:16:58.100 in mind that you know you're going to want to watch that. 00:16:58.660 --> 00:17:03.080 Reshot episode to sort of wrap up the i might wait i might not watch the one 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:04.640 that's there and watch the reshot one. 00:17:05.406 --> 00:17:11.046 No, I think I probably have to watch one. Yeah, I mean, I'm anxious to see what 00:17:11.046 --> 00:17:13.246 the difference is and how they do something that, 00:17:13.466 --> 00:17:17.786 you know, because I don't know that Mythic Quest was ever one of the cliffhanger 00:17:17.786 --> 00:17:22.566 series, but there was always a sense of, okay, we want to see what happens next. 00:17:23.866 --> 00:17:28.786 You've got to end it properly, right? Well, to my way of thinking, 00:17:28.786 --> 00:17:32.246 it's a great investment because eventually this will get syndicated, 00:17:32.826 --> 00:17:36.686 and it's going to be something that, okay, maybe even if it gets syndicated 00:17:36.686 --> 00:17:40.946 with only the wrap-up last episode, 00:17:41.486 --> 00:17:44.746 it's going to wrap up the series and you're going to get that satisfaction of 00:17:44.746 --> 00:17:48.146 saying, okay, I'm going to move on to something else because they're going to 00:17:48.146 --> 00:17:49.146 live happily ever after. 00:17:50.906 --> 00:17:56.386 Yeah, and even if it doesn't get syndicated, you still want to be able to say 00:17:56.386 --> 00:17:59.246 to people, just like you made such a good point, you don't want to recommend 00:17:59.246 --> 00:18:00.606 stuff that has a random ending. 00:18:00.606 --> 00:18:03.926 You want people to say yeah go and watch mythic quest four seasons 00:18:03.926 --> 00:18:07.466 it's really great just watch it all which of 00:18:07.466 --> 00:18:10.586 course again apple and tv plus is advantage so yeah 00:18:10.586 --> 00:18:13.506 i entirely agree with you um there's a statement from the 00:18:13.506 --> 00:18:16.746 three executive producers megan gantz david 00:18:16.746 --> 00:18:19.506 hornsby and rob mackohenney who said endings are 00:18:19.506 --> 00:18:22.226 hard but after four incredible seasons mythic quest 00:18:22.226 --> 00:18:25.066 is coming to a close we are so proud 00:18:25.066 --> 00:18:28.166 of the show and the world we got to build and deeply grateful 00:18:28.166 --> 00:18:31.686 to every cast and crew member who poured their heart into it to all our fans 00:18:31.686 --> 00:18:34.886 thank you for playing with us to our partners at apple thank you for believing 00:18:34.886 --> 00:18:38.946 in the vision from the very beginning because endings are hard with apple's 00:18:38.946 --> 00:18:43.506 blessing we made one final update to our last episode so we could say goodbye 00:18:43.506 --> 00:18:45.486 instead of just game over. 00:18:47.447 --> 00:18:52.307 Which I think is rather lovely. I agree. And again, to their point, 00:18:52.507 --> 00:18:56.427 I applaud Apple for doing this, for allowing them to do it, and for them taking 00:18:56.427 --> 00:18:59.587 the time and effort to do it, knowing that the show is over. 00:19:00.227 --> 00:19:05.347 That this is something that I wish every single, it would be a real challenge 00:19:05.347 --> 00:19:10.027 for some series, but I wish every single production house out there would at 00:19:10.027 --> 00:19:13.787 least keep this in the playbook and do it. 00:19:13.887 --> 00:19:18.227 Because I can think of three or four, Right now I can think of two things that 00:19:18.227 --> 00:19:21.607 were not on Apple TV, plus they were somewhere else, but that ended, 00:19:21.667 --> 00:19:24.987 and it's just like, but there's more. What happens next? 00:19:25.467 --> 00:19:32.427 And it left too many unanswered questions. Oh, I finished watching the L word Generation Q. 00:19:32.727 --> 00:19:36.667 Spoiler alert, it ends with a car crash. You don't know what happens after that. 00:19:37.567 --> 00:19:39.767 I mean, what? Yeah. 00:19:41.347 --> 00:19:44.387 So, Welder, I agree with your praise of Apple. 00:19:45.327 --> 00:19:50.487 And I think, I'm sad this show has ended because I love it. 00:19:51.587 --> 00:19:54.347 And they had renewed it for a fifth season. As I understand, 00:19:54.487 --> 00:19:56.327 a fifth season was originally commissioned. 00:19:57.987 --> 00:20:04.007 The only good thing about cancelling it is I hate it when shows that I love 00:20:04.007 --> 00:20:06.327 go on too long and you fall out of love with them. 00:20:07.087 --> 00:20:10.547 And I'm glad that, you know, I've got a few episodes to go, but I'm glad that 00:20:10.547 --> 00:20:13.567 probably won't happen with this because that's always a shame when that happens. 00:20:16.186 --> 00:20:25.486 And Apple has actually been good at cancelling shows generally before that happens. 00:20:25.646 --> 00:20:27.826 They're pretty brutal with their cancellations, actually. 00:20:28.066 --> 00:20:30.806 And so they are good at that. 00:20:31.186 --> 00:20:34.686 And so I think, you know, I'm pleased that that's happened. 00:20:36.306 --> 00:20:40.006 You know, you bring up an interesting point that some shows, 00:20:40.086 --> 00:20:43.386 no matter how much of a favourite, can go on too long. 00:20:44.506 --> 00:20:50.786 And you just there's only so much more you can do with them and so that's a 00:20:50.786 --> 00:20:54.226 really interesting point and I guess every show is a little bit different as 00:20:54.226 --> 00:20:56.146 to how far you can take that but, 00:20:57.566 --> 00:21:02.226 back in the network days yeah I can think of a number that just they did go 00:21:02.226 --> 00:21:05.546 on too long and they just kept trying to pass the tires yeah and you don't know 00:21:05.546 --> 00:21:08.106 what's happening with a show you love yeah. 00:21:10.366 --> 00:21:15.946 You just don't Where have you go? I wanted to put in a pitch. 00:21:16.946 --> 00:21:19.586 Go on, put in a pitch, and I've got a question for you. All right. 00:21:19.766 --> 00:21:23.826 I want to put in a pitch, though, for something that came out earlier this year. 00:21:25.246 --> 00:21:28.946 And it's The Gorge on Apple TV+. It's a movie. 00:21:30.126 --> 00:21:34.206 And I'm not going to do any spoilers, but what I'm going to tell you is that 00:21:34.206 --> 00:21:38.226 the trailer, you need to go and see the trailer because the trailer is very 00:21:38.226 --> 00:21:40.246 intriguing. It's what got me in. 00:21:41.446 --> 00:21:47.586 And once I got into it, it had two elements of the story that absolutely normally 00:21:47.586 --> 00:21:49.246 would turn me off and I'd have stopped it. 00:21:49.766 --> 00:21:55.506 And it is so well done, in my opinion, that I carried through and loved the whole movie. 00:21:56.746 --> 00:22:02.566 So give it a try. It may not be for you, but just watch the trailer. 00:22:02.746 --> 00:22:06.206 And if that kind of thing appeals to you, I think the same thing will happen 00:22:06.206 --> 00:22:09.626 to you. that no matter what the elements that might not appeal to you, 00:22:09.806 --> 00:22:12.346 you will thoroughly, thoroughly enjoy it. 00:22:13.635 --> 00:22:18.575 Okay, I'll have to check that out. Give me a quick pricey of what it's about. 00:22:18.875 --> 00:22:24.675 No spoilers, but just a little... I can't, because the trailer leads you to 00:22:24.675 --> 00:22:29.955 believe that you're going in one direction, and about a quarter of the way in, 00:22:29.955 --> 00:22:31.655 you go a completely different direction. 00:22:32.015 --> 00:22:35.795 And that's why, if I give you anything, I'm going to spoil something. 00:22:36.555 --> 00:22:39.435 Okay, so that's the gorge? Yes, the gorge. 00:22:41.975 --> 00:22:47.995 Okay the question i wanted to ask you is where do you think and this is a big 00:22:47.995 --> 00:22:52.575 question but it feels appropriate you know as a sort of comeback episode discussion 00:22:52.575 --> 00:22:55.835 where do you think tv plus is, 00:22:56.315 --> 00:22:59.855 kind of five and a half years into its existence 00:22:59.855 --> 00:23:02.855 start the you know quarter of 00:23:02.855 --> 00:23:05.795 the way through 2025 already where do 00:23:05.795 --> 00:23:08.635 you think we are with the service let's take it as a given there's 00:23:08.635 --> 00:23:11.655 now a substantive back catalogue i think the discussion about 00:23:11.655 --> 00:23:14.715 doing originals only has gone apple has 00:23:14.715 --> 00:23:19.175 proved you can do that there is a meaningful enough back catalogue 00:23:19.175 --> 00:23:23.555 there it's got a bit of sport in it now but beyond that where do you think we 00:23:23.555 --> 00:23:28.695 are chuck it's an interesting question because there's so many ways to look 00:23:28.695 --> 00:23:35.715 at it um it's it's not been a huge commercial success because the subscriber numbers are not there. 00:23:36.635 --> 00:23:39.655 That we know of. Well, yeah, that's true. 00:23:40.695 --> 00:23:45.715 But based on what is has been revealed. That said, though, I feel like it's 00:23:45.715 --> 00:23:49.935 one of the strongest ones because I feel like that there's always, 00:23:50.175 --> 00:23:55.835 they keep releasing stuff and they keep releasing good stuff that keeps me want 00:23:55.835 --> 00:23:59.455 to stay subscribed as opposed to saying, 00:23:59.635 --> 00:24:04.595 oh, I'm going to stay subscribed to Service X, because they have this franchise 00:24:04.595 --> 00:24:06.155 or that franchise on there. 00:24:06.655 --> 00:24:09.255 You can say Paramount Plus and Star Trek. It's okay. 00:24:10.241 --> 00:24:15.261 Well, I wasn't even thinking, honestly, of Paramount+. But I was thinking of, 00:24:15.261 --> 00:24:19.461 you know, of Hulu and Amazon and some of the others. 00:24:20.701 --> 00:24:24.201 That, yeah, they're still rolling out some good programs. 00:24:24.781 --> 00:24:27.921 But it doesn't feel like, and I think they're rolling out more. 00:24:28.261 --> 00:24:32.201 But I feel like Apple TV Plus is a little more selective about what they bring out. 00:24:32.581 --> 00:24:37.361 I know that you'll be terrified of this, but I still, I haven't gotten to the 00:24:37.361 --> 00:24:38.701 current season of shrinking. 00:24:39.721 --> 00:24:43.121 That's next on my list but i've watched 00:24:43.121 --> 00:24:45.861 that really enjoyable okay so you know 00:24:45.861 --> 00:24:50.841 there you go so there's always something new coming that keeps me there as opposed 00:24:50.841 --> 00:24:56.161 to saying oh i don't see anything new here so i'll go back and watch an old 00:24:56.161 --> 00:25:01.401 favorite and there's nothing wrong with old favorites but you know i'd rather 00:25:01.401 --> 00:25:05.841 watch something new yeah i agree with you uh just on shrinking, 00:25:06.841 --> 00:25:11.681 i said it was enjoyable some of it was enjoyable um some of it's quite disturbing 00:25:11.681 --> 00:25:16.641 in this season and i sure i'd warn people of that um there's one element of 00:25:16.641 --> 00:25:19.141 it that annoyed me and when you're. 00:25:20.181 --> 00:25:23.081 When you've watched i want to discuss it with you if you've you 00:25:23.081 --> 00:25:26.101 picked up on the same thing that i did okay um there 00:25:26.101 --> 00:25:29.941 is to your point a lot of new stuff coming if 00:25:29.941 --> 00:25:33.061 you look again at the set of releases just in 00:25:33.061 --> 00:25:36.081 the course of april uh it's uh apple have 00:25:36.081 --> 00:25:39.101 announced a guy ritchie film called fountain of 00:25:39.101 --> 00:25:42.621 youth uh season three of jane i 00:25:42.621 --> 00:25:46.041 have to say that's not a show and i have heard of but i think it's a kid's show um 00:25:46.041 --> 00:25:48.821 it's got a second there's an 00:25:48.821 --> 00:25:53.721 animated trilogy called wandler and that's got the second bit coming out uh 00:25:53.721 --> 00:25:57.841 there's gonna be a new long way home with ewan mcgregor Charlie Borman and there's 00:25:57.841 --> 00:26:02.541 been a trailer this was in March in a few days ago and it's coming out in May 00:26:02.541 --> 00:26:07.841 for something called Murderbot so like there's a lot happening on TV plus still. 00:26:11.265 --> 00:26:16.785 And Murderbot looks very intriguing, I think, from what I've read about it. 00:26:16.925 --> 00:26:18.685 Yeah, it's another one based on a book. 00:26:19.065 --> 00:26:21.985 Yeah. So that's it. 00:26:22.065 --> 00:26:27.345 I feel like it's strong. I think Apple's experimenting with the sports aspect 00:26:27.345 --> 00:26:29.285 of it that we've talked about in the past. 00:26:30.265 --> 00:26:35.625 So I still feel like it's almost a laboratory, that they've figured out some 00:26:35.625 --> 00:26:38.565 things they can take out of the laboratory and make products. 00:26:38.565 --> 00:26:42.265 And others, they're still trying to figure out what to do with it. 00:26:43.485 --> 00:26:47.685 And I don't see that as a bad thing as long as they're giving me value for the money. 00:26:48.145 --> 00:26:51.485 And when I look at what some of the other services are charging, 00:26:52.965 --> 00:26:57.965 and I guess your comment about back catalog is a great one because there is 00:26:57.965 --> 00:27:01.245 now a decent back catalog. Yeah, I think that debate's gone. 00:27:02.485 --> 00:27:07.965 Agreed, agreed. So now if I look at the value I'm getting for what I'm paying 00:27:07.965 --> 00:27:11.885 for Amazon, Hulu, Netflix, 00:27:12.665 --> 00:27:17.345 Apple TV+, I feel like the ratio is pretty darn good for Apple TV+, 00:27:17.345 --> 00:27:19.005 in conjunction with the others. 00:27:19.205 --> 00:27:24.205 Even if the others are releasing 50 new shows, if only one or two of them appeal 00:27:24.205 --> 00:27:25.865 to me, I don't care about the others. 00:27:27.085 --> 00:27:31.245 I mean, and you have made this point kind of consistently from the start, to be fair. 00:27:32.825 --> 00:27:36.125 You'd be fairly consistent in in having 00:27:36.125 --> 00:27:39.625 that opinion which is you know which is fair enough yeah it's 00:27:39.625 --> 00:27:43.425 well i it's the way i kind of look at everything right now especially the way 00:27:43.425 --> 00:27:48.905 the economy is going here in the states where i want to get the best value for 00:27:48.905 --> 00:27:55.245 the money and what am i paying on a on a per hour basis am i paying four dollars 00:27:55.245 --> 00:27:58.305 an hour five dollars an hour or am I paying 50 cents an hour? 00:27:59.785 --> 00:28:02.705 Figure it out. What's best for you? 00:28:02.865 --> 00:28:07.885 It's a completely fair point. It's a totally fair point. And I think it's a 00:28:07.885 --> 00:28:10.105 really, really valid one. And I think, 00:28:11.115 --> 00:28:17.875 Yeah, I do agree with you quite a lot regarding the quality on Apple TV+. 00:28:18.495 --> 00:28:23.295 I mean, that's obviously why you and I love talking about it and keep talking 00:28:23.295 --> 00:28:29.735 about it because there is genuinely good stuff to talk about on there, and that is exciting. 00:28:30.595 --> 00:28:34.115 And that's why we're going to stay here and keep chatting. Definitely. 00:28:34.755 --> 00:28:40.115 Before we wrap, I did want to ask you one question because we've had a bit of a layoff. 00:28:40.895 --> 00:28:46.575 What was your reaction to the uh the next season of Ted Lasso the announcement. 00:28:50.855 --> 00:28:55.375 So first of all I'm furious oh because 00:28:55.375 --> 00:28:58.415 I was told in an interview with by Bill Lawrence in 00:28:58.415 --> 00:29:01.315 an on the record interview for a story I did that it was a three 00:29:01.315 --> 00:29:04.215 season arc and that was it so now 00:29:04.215 --> 00:29:07.475 they've gone against that word and they've done four seasons and 00:29:07.475 --> 00:29:10.615 it's gone against the interview I did all those years ago and i'm furious 00:29:10.615 --> 00:29:13.515 chuck other than that 00:29:13.515 --> 00:29:16.615 charlotte other than that i think apple 00:29:16.615 --> 00:29:19.295 is not stupid and apple knows that 00:29:19.295 --> 00:29:26.335 its biggest show and its biggest money maker on tv plus is ted lasso and it 00:29:26.335 --> 00:29:31.175 did you know i think they know exactly where their bread is buttered and they 00:29:31.175 --> 00:29:35.315 were not going to give that up if they didn't have to um season four i don't 00:29:35.315 --> 00:29:39.095 know if you read this track is meant to be based around Ted now coaching a women's team. 00:29:41.395 --> 00:29:44.275 I can feel the cringe already I'm really 00:29:44.275 --> 00:29:49.595 sorry I am a huge supporter of women's football I write about it consistently 00:29:49.595 --> 00:29:55.935 I you know I'm a huge huge fan of women's football I can oh given what we've 00:29:55.935 --> 00:30:01.435 seen already in Ted Lasso on so I can only imagine how this is gonna go sorry 00:30:01.435 --> 00:30:02.955 if that makes me evil and cynical, 00:30:04.453 --> 00:30:08.153 I hope I'm wrong. I hope it's a wonderful advertisement for the women's game, 00:30:08.173 --> 00:30:10.913 which is getting stronger and stronger and stronger. 00:30:12.393 --> 00:30:15.013 But I think I can feel the ick already, and I'm sorry. 00:30:16.653 --> 00:30:20.233 I want it to be a good representation of women's football, not a cringy one. 00:30:23.673 --> 00:30:27.393 Okay, so let me ask you this then. 00:30:27.573 --> 00:30:34.213 Did you feel that the representation of men's football in Ted Lasso was a cringy representation? 00:30:35.093 --> 00:30:37.693 No, I think it did a pretty good job, generally. 00:30:40.813 --> 00:30:45.133 I think it was fine. I'm sure it was – look, it was a bit Hollywoodized and 00:30:45.133 --> 00:30:48.253 a bit romanticized, but it was, you know, pretty good. 00:30:48.653 --> 00:30:53.393 There were some pretty relatable characters. 00:30:54.033 --> 00:30:56.073 Some of the characters were based on real people. 00:30:57.133 --> 00:31:01.613 And, of course, I'm at a bit of a disadvantage because I'm not a big football for the U.S. 00:31:01.673 --> 00:31:05.533 Folk soccer. We'll work on that. So, yeah, well, I know you've been working 00:31:05.533 --> 00:31:08.653 on that, Charlotte, and you've gotten me to watch some stuff, 00:31:08.773 --> 00:31:11.953 but I don't pay attention to the personalities and all. 00:31:12.353 --> 00:31:16.193 You've got the Wild Cup coming up in your country. We'll get you involved by that. 00:31:20.533 --> 00:31:24.333 I don't have enough to do, and she's going to make me do something else. 00:31:25.113 --> 00:31:26.693 You're welcome, my friend. You're welcome. 00:31:27.833 --> 00:31:32.993 Charlotte, it's great to see you. I'm so sorry it's taken this long to get back together. Likewise. 00:31:33.293 --> 00:31:36.493 Well. We will do better now. We will do better. 00:31:37.733 --> 00:31:41.593 I have a book that I'm finishing and writing. That's coming out in October. 00:31:41.593 --> 00:31:44.593 So if you're interested in this stuff, I hope you'll be interested in the book 00:31:44.593 --> 00:31:46.173 because it's all about streaming. 00:31:46.453 --> 00:31:48.653 It's called Streaming Wars. It's out in October. 00:31:49.213 --> 00:31:54.793 So I hope you'll be interested in that. It does talk quite a bit about TV+. 00:31:54.793 --> 00:31:57.833 So, yeah, I hope people who watch the show will be interested in that. 00:31:58.193 --> 00:32:01.033 What else are you up to, Chuck, for causing trouble? 00:32:01.713 --> 00:32:07.133 Well, yeah, there is that. I'm back from NAB, the NAB show, last week, 00:32:07.173 --> 00:32:10.633 and just starting to release some of the interviews that were shot there. 00:32:11.293 --> 00:32:16.973 It's always fascinating to go and dig deep into the whole world of media production 00:32:16.973 --> 00:32:19.313 and everything associated with it. 00:32:19.473 --> 00:32:24.173 So we had some really great interviews with a number of different people. 00:32:24.813 --> 00:32:28.133 My approach is always, I tend to stay away from the big people, 00:32:28.453 --> 00:32:31.793 the Adobes or the Avid's, because they get so much coverage anyway. 00:32:31.793 --> 00:32:34.773 I want to go to the back of the hall and talk to the people that in the smaller 00:32:34.773 --> 00:32:36.813 booths that are doing some really cool stuff. 00:32:37.073 --> 00:32:39.413 So that's what you can expect on Mac voices. 00:32:40.853 --> 00:32:44.793 And one year you'll take me, right? One year. 00:32:45.153 --> 00:32:48.953 Absolutely. Anytime you want to come over, you, you would have no trouble getting 00:32:48.953 --> 00:32:50.773 credentials. So sure. Come on. 00:32:51.113 --> 00:32:55.493 I look forward to it. Well, we promise we'll be back on a regular basis now. 00:32:56.013 --> 00:32:59.953 So Chuck, I'm so excited to see you for that. And we'll see you all soon. 00:33:00.873 --> 00:33:03.373 Definitely. Thanks so much for watching. We'll see you soon.