WEBVTT 00:00:11.147 --> 00:00:15.567 Welcome to TV Plus Talk. This is where we talk about all things Apple TV. 00:00:15.907 --> 00:00:17.987 I'm Chuck Joyner. She is... 00:00:19.307 --> 00:00:22.967 I'm Charlotte Henry. Hello. Are we saying Happy New Year? It's the end of January, 00:00:22.967 --> 00:00:24.547 but we haven't seen each other. 00:00:24.627 --> 00:00:29.327 We haven't hung out since we broke up for the Christmas New Year holidays. 00:00:29.507 --> 00:00:31.007 So I hope you had a good break. 00:00:31.447 --> 00:00:35.007 I had a good break, Charlotte. Broke up. Let's just say we went on a slight 00:00:35.007 --> 00:00:39.127 hiatus just because of our respective schedules and everything. 00:00:39.447 --> 00:00:44.107 And now we're You went off to party in Vegas, I hear. 00:00:45.807 --> 00:00:48.707 I went to Vegas. I don't know about the party part. 00:00:49.867 --> 00:00:54.327 We can discuss that off there. Yes, yes. Yeah, there were no pictures taken. 00:00:54.927 --> 00:01:00.807 No, I attended CES again this year, along with, from what I'm told, 00:01:00.947 --> 00:01:04.027 I think the last numbers I saw were 145,000 other people. 00:01:04.027 --> 00:01:06.867 Um and this is 00:01:06.867 --> 00:01:11.487 so interesting because let's forget 00:01:11.487 --> 00:01:15.167 the fact that ces might be one of the great super 00:01:15.167 --> 00:01:19.347 spreader events of the pandemic in 2020 um obviously 00:01:19.347 --> 00:01:24.167 the numbers fell off a clip during the cliff during the pandemic and the immediate 00:01:24.167 --> 00:01:28.847 aftermath did this feel to you now that like we're back on like it's all as 00:01:28.847 --> 00:01:33.687 it was it's funny you say that charlotte because that was a discussion at breakfast 00:01:33.687 --> 00:01:38.607 a couple mornings that this is the first one that really did feel like, 00:01:38.787 --> 00:01:41.007 okay, no compromises. 00:01:41.807 --> 00:01:46.827 I mean, yes, there's still security, and yes, there were still people in certain 00:01:46.827 --> 00:01:54.487 areas wearing masks, but it struck you as more of a personal choice kind of thing as opposed to, 00:01:54.647 --> 00:01:58.807 you know, oh, I'm really paranoid or, you know, there's a mandate. 00:01:59.187 --> 00:02:05.707 So yeah, it felt like that is very much in the rear view mirror for better or worse. 00:02:06.637 --> 00:02:11.077 Yeah long may it stay that way so go on then tell me about all the cool tv stuff 00:02:11.077 --> 00:02:15.157 what tv should i be buying what tv am i going to be buying how am i going to 00:02:15.157 --> 00:02:17.377 be watching apple tv in the near future. 00:02:18.957 --> 00:02:22.957 Uh boy you know it's tough charlotte because every year they bring out you know 00:02:22.957 --> 00:02:26.317 there's there's some new fad or some new thing that they're trying to give you 00:02:26.317 --> 00:02:30.257 you know it's been led lcd quantum dots, 00:02:30.877 --> 00:02:35.937 of, you know, this year there was nothing. OLED? We're doing OLED? 00:02:36.297 --> 00:02:38.657 Yeah, let's talk. Yeah, there's OLED, you know. 00:02:39.577 --> 00:02:44.597 You know, I really think it comes down to how much budget you have and how much 00:02:44.597 --> 00:02:46.397 time you're going to spend in front of that screen. 00:02:47.357 --> 00:02:53.877 Because the, it's just, yes, there's no question when you walk into some of 00:02:53.877 --> 00:02:57.237 those demos that they look just flat out amazing. 00:02:57.237 --> 00:03:01.457 But, of course, the pictures have been tuned to look amazing, 00:03:01.457 --> 00:03:03.317 to sell the whole concept. 00:03:04.177 --> 00:03:10.917 So, you know, I would tell you that I'm not sure it's easy to buy a bad TV right 00:03:10.917 --> 00:03:17.277 now because everybody has upped their game so much that if you just feel like 00:03:17.277 --> 00:03:19.957 you have to have the deepest, deepest blacks possible, 00:03:20.417 --> 00:03:25.197 yeah, and you want to spend $10,000 or $15,000, by all means, go for it. 00:03:25.197 --> 00:03:28.857 But if you can survive with something just a little bit lower, 00:03:29.057 --> 00:03:30.417 you can save yourself a lot of money. 00:03:31.697 --> 00:03:36.537 This is so interesting you say this because I bought a new television pretty 00:03:36.537 --> 00:03:38.297 recently towards the end of last year. 00:03:38.677 --> 00:03:42.937 I can tell you I spent only a fraction of the numbers you've just quoted. 00:03:43.797 --> 00:03:50.437 And it's a fantastic piece of kit. It's a 55-inch Samsung television, 4K. 00:03:52.297 --> 00:03:55.757 Everything looks wonderful. Obviously, when I watch Apple TV+, 00:03:55.757 --> 00:03:59.277 which is all – everything on Apple TV+, is UHD, isn't it? 00:04:00.219 --> 00:04:05.779 As far as I know. So, you know, all that stuff looks wonderful. 00:04:05.779 --> 00:04:09.299 When I watch the sports channels that are 4K, which are not that many, 00:04:09.339 --> 00:04:11.759 I have to say, in the UK, looks fantastic. 00:04:11.979 --> 00:04:17.439 And you're kind of sitting there watching it going, what else could I possibly need? 00:04:17.499 --> 00:04:22.959 And I suspect you and I are fussier about this stuff than most other people. 00:04:24.471 --> 00:04:27.471 Um i'm i've gotten fussier for 00:04:27.471 --> 00:04:30.791 from the experience standpoint which really factors 00:04:30.791 --> 00:04:33.791 well into an apple tv discussion because the apple tv 00:04:33.791 --> 00:04:36.571 interface is i think the 00:04:36.571 --> 00:04:42.831 best interface out there um i i was with a friend i don't agree with you on 00:04:42.831 --> 00:04:46.171 that actually okay i want to come back to that but let me let me take this one 00:04:46.171 --> 00:04:53.891 um but i i was with a friend who bought a um a tv over the holiday It was, I guess, pre-holiday. 00:04:54.091 --> 00:04:58.811 But it was a TCL, which I own a TCL. It's a good name. 00:04:59.231 --> 00:05:06.131 But the Google TV interface is terrible, in my opinion. 00:05:07.571 --> 00:05:10.611 Roku, eh, okay. Roku's kind of Roku. 00:05:11.291 --> 00:05:15.971 So it's getting down to, I never thought we'd talk about operating systems on 00:05:15.971 --> 00:05:18.051 TVs, but that's sort of what it is. 00:05:18.051 --> 00:05:24.291 And with more and more things being delivered through apps or an app experience like Apple TV, 00:05:24.811 --> 00:05:32.211 it really does matter now, I think, as much for the operating system as it does 00:05:32.211 --> 00:05:34.611 for the physical device. 00:05:35.611 --> 00:05:40.511 Oh, I could agree with you more on that. Okay, now tell me why you disagree, 00:05:40.651 --> 00:05:42.631 though, about the other thing. 00:05:42.631 --> 00:05:47.491 So I think large parts of the Apple TV, I'm talking about the Apple TV app, 00:05:48.351 --> 00:05:51.111 not the interface you get with the box or anything like that. 00:05:51.991 --> 00:05:56.951 I like most of it. I think most of it's really easy to use and clean and makes 00:05:56.951 --> 00:05:59.711 sense. There's two things I don't like about it. 00:06:00.331 --> 00:06:04.251 One I don't like about it is it's kind of a faff to get, if you're starting 00:06:04.251 --> 00:06:08.951 a series or you're in a series, there's a lot of jumps to see how many episodes 00:06:08.951 --> 00:06:12.291 there are in that series. Does that make sense? 00:06:13.611 --> 00:06:16.991 So watching The Morning Show, I want to know how many episodes of this season 00:06:16.991 --> 00:06:18.291 of The Morning Show I have left. 00:06:20.682 --> 00:06:26.522 Some places you can just long hold on the TV remote and see a list of episodes to come. 00:06:26.702 --> 00:06:30.322 You can't do that in the Apple TV app. You have to jump around a few places 00:06:30.322 --> 00:06:32.962 and it's not particularly intuitive how you do that. 00:06:33.042 --> 00:06:35.402 You kind of have to search for the show as new. 00:06:36.742 --> 00:06:41.202 And another thing is, and it comes right back to our obsession on this show 00:06:41.202 --> 00:06:45.462 about discoverability and marketing of Apple TV shows. 00:06:45.462 --> 00:06:54.102 I don't know how easy it is to stumble across a show in the Apple TV interface 00:06:54.102 --> 00:06:56.222 and the Apple TV streaming service world. 00:06:57.042 --> 00:06:59.662 Do either of those criticisms sound fair to you? 00:07:00.722 --> 00:07:07.502 Very much so. Very much so. I think the discoverability is a problem, though, for everybody. 00:07:09.362 --> 00:07:15.102 Because you have to question why a show is being promoted to you. 00:07:15.462 --> 00:07:20.402 Is it being promoted because it thinks it knows you based on information that's gathered about you? 00:07:20.642 --> 00:07:25.442 Is it being promoted to you because somebody paid to promote it above things 00:07:25.442 --> 00:07:28.642 that would probably be more likely in your wheelhouse? 00:07:29.722 --> 00:07:34.002 You know, I think that's just a bit of a mess. 00:07:35.062 --> 00:07:40.602 Yeah, and Netflix decides when it wants you to watch a show or a movie and really pushes it. 00:07:41.162 --> 00:07:45.882 Yeah, yeah. And I want to be clear, you called it exactly right. 00:07:46.082 --> 00:07:50.322 The Apple TV app is one thing. The Apple TV interface for... 00:07:52.279 --> 00:07:55.639 Experiences outside the apple tv service 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:58.579 i think is is the best of 00:07:58.579 --> 00:08:02.059 the best or the best of the bunch out there right now so 00:08:02.059 --> 00:08:05.219 so i i'm sorry no go 00:08:05.219 --> 00:08:10.019 ahead no just while we're talking about interfaces i also bought a apple uh 00:08:10.019 --> 00:08:15.779 sorry a amazon fire stick um because i've moved an old tv into another room 00:08:15.779 --> 00:08:20.639 and thought for 25 pounds a fire stick was a really nice way to upgrade it and 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:22.279 give me access to everything I wanted, 00:08:22.479 --> 00:08:30.179 including Apple TV, because this TV was a bit too old to have the Apple TV app in the interface. 00:08:31.139 --> 00:08:36.999 And actually, I would say the Fire interface is quite good, although, 00:08:37.119 --> 00:08:41.199 again, obviously it's promoting Amazon Prime Video as much as it can. 00:08:42.299 --> 00:08:46.279 And, again, it does take a couple of steps to find all the apps you want, 00:08:46.839 --> 00:08:50.679 which is, you know, I guess there's always going to be pros and cons of any 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:51.539 of this stuff, isn't there? 00:08:52.819 --> 00:08:57.399 Yeah, and I'm with you. I think the Fire interface is a decent interface. 00:08:58.019 --> 00:09:02.579 I wish it would let me, and if there's a way to do it, I haven't found it, 00:09:02.659 --> 00:09:05.239 and if anybody has, please drop me an email. 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:13.439 But I have not found a way to pin the apps that I want to pin that I use regularly. 00:09:13.819 --> 00:09:18.779 They bounce around, so I have to go find them, Even though they might be in 00:09:18.779 --> 00:09:22.439 the second or third row down, and they're relatively easily found, 00:09:22.599 --> 00:09:25.859 I'd prefer to have them in the top row where I can just get to them. 00:09:26.439 --> 00:09:31.919 But we're back to the discoverability issue. It almost forces me to look at 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:35.939 some of the things that are being thrown at me that might catch my attention. 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:46.039 So, yeah, it's – but I would put that second behind the Apple TV box interface. Okay. 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:48.659 Let's talk... 00:09:49.732 --> 00:09:51.332 Some stuff that's coming to 00:09:51.332 --> 00:09:56.172 Apple TV. First of all, there's a new thriller that Apple TV has landed. 00:09:56.332 --> 00:10:01.292 It's going to star and be executive produced by Dakota Fanning and Emmy Award 00:10:01.292 --> 00:10:05.112 winning Alex Carey's involved as well. It's a new it's a series. 00:10:06.152 --> 00:10:11.372 And it's, as I say, involving those two. Dakota Fanning is going to be an undercover 00:10:11.372 --> 00:10:16.092 Treasury agent in a multibillion dollar international conglomerate with world 00:10:16.092 --> 00:10:18.312 changing political and criminal tentacles. 00:10:18.312 --> 00:10:21.552 You up for this one that sounds 00:10:21.552 --> 00:10:24.872 that sounds strange we like the evening news um 00:10:24.872 --> 00:10:27.892 yes i think i think that sounds 00:10:27.892 --> 00:10:32.492 enjoyable uh i i think it sounds quite fun i'd be quite up for this you know 00:10:32.492 --> 00:10:38.192 i love the thriller yeah yeah so i'm this one is in the thumbs up category yep 00:10:38.192 --> 00:10:43.512 yeah yeah i don't think we have a release date for this and i'm not even sure 00:10:43.512 --> 00:10:46.992 we have a name but i i think it's, 00:10:47.612 --> 00:10:52.612 it's going to be executive produced by Kerry as I said and interestingly this 00:10:52.612 --> 00:10:54.952 is a collaboration again with Sony and Apple TV, 00:10:56.112 --> 00:11:01.012 who as we know have done a few things together for Apple TV the thought service 00:11:01.012 --> 00:11:02.332 formerly known as Apple TV Plus. 00:11:05.293 --> 00:11:09.893 You know, I think it's great that Apple is striking these partnerships. 00:11:10.213 --> 00:11:15.733 They're not trying to just do it all in-house, especially in the entertainment world. 00:11:16.033 --> 00:11:20.713 It's gaining ground. It has gained a lot of ground since it got there. 00:11:21.173 --> 00:11:27.273 But it also, maybe I'm just biased, but it feels like it can cherry-pick things 00:11:27.273 --> 00:11:32.253 a little bit more than a lot of the services can as to what it wants to do and 00:11:32.253 --> 00:11:35.073 not do who it wants to work with and who it doesn't want to work with. 00:11:36.373 --> 00:11:41.833 Yeah, and it's pretty clear that the big names are still quite happy to work with Apple. 00:11:41.953 --> 00:11:46.853 You know, Dakota Fanning is a big name, and there's a lot of talk that not a 00:11:46.853 --> 00:11:52.813 lot of people watch Apple TV, but it's not really putting off the big names, is it? 00:11:54.833 --> 00:12:00.613 No, it's not putting off the big names for working with them or producing content for them. 00:12:01.233 --> 00:12:05.533 And I would think that those big names, yes, I understand they get paid, right? 00:12:05.733 --> 00:12:13.973 But I would think they'd be hesitant to take their time, even if the money's 00:12:13.973 --> 00:12:19.073 good, to be working on something that is not going to be seen or not going to be seen by many people. 00:12:19.293 --> 00:12:24.713 So I'm really starting to question this whole, oh, nobody's watching Apple TV thing. 00:12:25.293 --> 00:12:28.033 I think maybe they're watching Apple TV and don't realize it. 00:12:30.173 --> 00:12:34.093 What do you mean by that? That's interesting. Well, we've talked about this 00:12:34.093 --> 00:12:37.333 before, that people don't say they're going to watch Apple TV. 00:12:37.333 --> 00:12:38.533 They're going to watch a show. 00:12:38.913 --> 00:12:43.273 They're going to watch the morning show. They're going to watch Slow Horses. 00:12:43.773 --> 00:12:46.813 And at some point, yes, they had to subscribe to Apple TV. 00:12:47.213 --> 00:12:52.913 But I think that the idea is now that's one more place they can go to get a 00:12:52.913 --> 00:12:53.933 show that they want to get. 00:12:54.713 --> 00:12:57.713 And maybe the show is what drove them to it, and the subscription estate, 00:12:57.813 --> 00:12:58.813 and they found more things. 00:13:00.805 --> 00:13:05.745 Interesting. Yeah, you might well be right. That's a show that's coming to Apple 00:13:05.745 --> 00:13:08.345 TV. One that's going is called The Last Frontier. 00:13:08.965 --> 00:13:13.905 It's been cancelled after just one season. Did you ever watch this show, Chuck? 00:13:14.425 --> 00:13:19.665 I did not. In fact, when I saw it was cancelled, it's like, I have no idea what was just cancelled. 00:13:22.005 --> 00:13:27.325 I'm with you. I confess I hadn't even heard of this show, which rather indicates 00:13:27.325 --> 00:13:29.145 to me not many people had heard of this show. 00:13:32.085 --> 00:13:38.065 At this point, I've honestly forgotten, especially since it was cancelled, what the premise was. 00:13:38.285 --> 00:13:41.925 But yeah, it was not even on my list. 00:13:43.045 --> 00:13:50.985 No, but there's a wider story here, which is Apple has been quite brutal with 00:13:50.985 --> 00:13:52.725 what it calls, hasn't it? 00:13:53.965 --> 00:13:59.205 You know, if a show isn't doing what it considers well, it's happy to pull the 00:13:59.205 --> 00:14:00.705 plug even after one season. 00:14:00.805 --> 00:14:08.445 It's it's pretty brutal is it any more brutal than some of the others i mean 00:14:08.445 --> 00:14:14.545 netflix was accused of that kind of thing pretty heavily sure i just think it's 00:14:14.545 --> 00:14:15.745 interesting that they're clearly, 00:14:16.345 --> 00:14:20.885 i'm not even particularly saying this is a criticism to be honest with you i'm 00:14:20.885 --> 00:14:24.445 just if anything it might be a compliment because it's very determined to have 00:14:24.445 --> 00:14:28.985 the quantity not the Sorry, the quality, not the quantity, which has always 00:14:28.985 --> 00:14:30.225 been the thing with Apple TV. 00:14:30.825 --> 00:14:36.165 And it's, you know, there are no sort of punches pulled if it doesn't feel like 00:14:36.165 --> 00:14:38.445 something is doing what it needs to do on the service. 00:14:40.739 --> 00:14:44.619 And it's no mark of shame to have something that was an experiment. 00:14:44.619 --> 00:14:49.879 They tried to see if there was an audience or if it was delivering what they 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:54.399 wanted, both in audience and quality. And if it just didn't make it, then it didn't make it. 00:14:56.459 --> 00:15:01.659 There was a show, I forget the name. It was about a young girl who was a musician. 00:15:01.959 --> 00:15:05.679 It was right at the start of Apple TV. It was one of the first things on Apple TV. 00:15:05.999 --> 00:15:09.719 And that got pulled after one season. um you 00:15:09.719 --> 00:15:12.539 know they pulled mythic quest we were meant to have another season of mythic 00:15:12.539 --> 00:15:15.559 quest and suddenly that went that there is no 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:20.019 messing around on apple tv you're either in it you know they don't give you 00:15:20.019 --> 00:15:26.699 that much leeway to try and revert revamp your show no and mythic quest i was 00:15:26.699 --> 00:15:32.059 honestly surprised about mythic quest um and not just because i liked it but 00:15:32.059 --> 00:15:34.639 from the the buzz i I was hearing about it, 00:15:34.939 --> 00:15:37.479 that there were a lot of people that were liking it. 00:15:38.679 --> 00:15:41.839 But for whatever reason, you're right, they did it. 00:15:44.379 --> 00:15:48.459 And I remember the show you're talking about. I did not watch it, but I do remember it. 00:15:48.579 --> 00:15:53.719 And there was a bit of a controversy about it was supposed to be a high-quality 00:15:53.719 --> 00:16:01.179 show, but not necessarily all the high-quality shows are going to survive. No. 00:16:02.999 --> 00:16:07.559 I also think it kind of reiterates, actually. I'm always one to say, 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:10.679 oh, Apple doesn't care about who watches Ted Lasso. 00:16:10.779 --> 00:16:14.339 It cares about selling iPhones, which is true. 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:21.059 But also it does care a bit. I wrote this in a piece recently for the Media Society. 00:16:22.459 --> 00:16:26.439 And, you know, it does care a bit if people are watching and that the shows are good. 00:16:26.579 --> 00:16:30.739 And it wants to have a library that is considered good quality. 00:16:31.439 --> 00:16:35.239 So it's not going to keep making stuff that other people aren't interested in 00:16:35.239 --> 00:16:36.319 or it doesn't think is good enough. 00:16:38.425 --> 00:16:42.825 You bring up a great point, Charlotte, because we've talked so much about the 00:16:42.825 --> 00:16:47.045 fact that Apple has built their back catalog on their own. 00:16:47.365 --> 00:16:52.765 They've let new shows continue and then fall into their back catalog, 00:16:52.765 --> 00:16:57.125 or they've pulled the plug on some that are still technically in the back catalog. 00:16:57.445 --> 00:17:01.985 But yeah, why would you continue to invest in a lot of money if you don't think 00:17:01.985 --> 00:17:03.965 it's going to be something people are going to return to? 00:17:03.965 --> 00:17:07.825 As opposed to some of the other things that, well, and Ted Lasso, 00:17:07.845 --> 00:17:12.385 we've talked about a million times, that I still know people that either have 00:17:12.385 --> 00:17:18.005 gone back and watched it or are discovering it for the first time. What? 00:17:18.665 --> 00:17:23.305 Yeah, which is still amazing to me. But like me and like you, 00:17:23.545 --> 00:17:28.045 they had a list, and they never got around to it, and so they had some time, 00:17:28.065 --> 00:17:33.085 maybe over the holiday or during a snowstorm like we've had recently here in the U.S. 00:17:33.085 --> 00:17:37.485 I love you oh yeah I'm snowed in right now, 00:17:38.625 --> 00:17:41.945 but so I this all 00:17:41.945 --> 00:17:48.725 makes good business sense I think from Apple's standpoint and sure Mythic Quest 00:17:48.725 --> 00:17:51.925 was one that I didn't want to see cancelled but there have been plenty of other 00:17:51.925 --> 00:17:53.685 shows on other services I didn't 00:17:53.685 --> 00:17:58.905 want to see cancelled that got the axe so that's just that's showbiz. 00:18:00.050 --> 00:18:03.950 That is show business. And let's be clear, Jamie Ellick and Zach Vangenberg, 00:18:04.010 --> 00:18:07.930 who run Apple TV, these are not stupid people. 00:18:08.170 --> 00:18:10.410 These are not people that don't know about TV. 00:18:11.850 --> 00:18:17.010 Like there would, I'd be imagined, fairly compelling reasons if they're pulling a show. 00:18:17.810 --> 00:18:24.650 Yes, yes. And once again. I'm cynical in many ways, but I'm prepared to be a bit generous on that. 00:18:25.850 --> 00:18:29.570 Well, and like so many decisions Apple or any other large company makes, 00:18:30.250 --> 00:18:35.310 No matter how hard somebody digs, we're never going to know all the details and all the reasons. 00:18:35.490 --> 00:18:38.550 We might be able to guess and we might be able to confirm some of the major 00:18:38.550 --> 00:18:43.150 reasons, but all the subtle things that go into those decisions, no, we'll never know. 00:18:45.170 --> 00:18:48.390 Okay, well, we've talked about things that are not coming to Apple TV. 00:18:48.630 --> 00:18:51.510 Can we talk about some things that are and that we're looking forward to in 2026? 00:18:52.870 --> 00:18:56.590 Absolutely. But before we do, I just want to bring up one that I just finished 00:18:56.590 --> 00:19:00.430 over the holiday. Oh, tell me. Down Cemetery Road. 00:19:02.448 --> 00:19:07.368 Down Cemetery Road was one that I sort of fell into kind of by accident. 00:19:07.568 --> 00:19:09.948 I'd put it on my list, but it looked 00:19:09.948 --> 00:19:13.388 like, eh, okay, maybe. I'll give it a shot. And I really enjoyed it. 00:19:16.828 --> 00:19:23.148 I'll do a very candid assessment here. Not to the point of Slow Horses, but close. 00:19:23.988 --> 00:19:27.808 And also, to be fair, this was only the first season where Slow Horses, 00:19:27.888 --> 00:19:29.848 what have we had, four, three, four? 00:19:30.108 --> 00:19:33.608 I've lost track. I think we're up to five now, yeah. I think we're going to get about seven. 00:19:34.208 --> 00:19:38.948 Yeah, but I really enjoyed the characters. I enjoyed the storyline. 00:19:39.748 --> 00:19:45.488 Best of all, they did one of these endings that if they decided to wrap the 00:19:45.488 --> 00:19:47.768 series here, it would be okay. 00:19:48.428 --> 00:19:52.008 But it would be very easy to pick it up and continue to run with it. 00:19:52.768 --> 00:19:57.088 So I didn't feel unfulfilled at the end of the series. 00:19:57.748 --> 00:20:03.028 So if you're looking for something, I would say definitely you have to give 00:20:03.028 --> 00:20:03.908 it the first two episodes. 00:20:05.064 --> 00:20:08.624 To make sure that you're into it. What's the premise? Give us a bit of an outline of the premise. 00:20:10.044 --> 00:20:14.084 Oh, boy. See, I'm afraid I will give away things. 00:20:14.284 --> 00:20:22.484 So let's just say it is a thriller, which with conspiracy issues and obviously 00:20:22.484 --> 00:20:24.824 action and some unlikely heroes. 00:20:25.504 --> 00:20:32.164 So it's not – I will embarrass myself by saying I'm not – I don't know who starred 00:20:32.164 --> 00:20:35.524 in it because that's just not my thing. you follow that a lot more than I do. 00:20:36.344 --> 00:20:38.524 But I did not necessarily recognize 00:20:38.524 --> 00:20:42.544 either one of the – really any of the leads, come to think of it. 00:20:42.804 --> 00:20:46.484 But they all played very, very well. And it is set in the UK. 00:20:47.044 --> 00:20:49.124 So, Charlotte, you should be doing your homework. 00:20:49.744 --> 00:20:53.044 You've sold me. I'll check that out. Maybe I'll have to get stuck into that 00:20:53.044 --> 00:20:57.324 this week before we can discuss it more when we meet again. 00:20:58.144 --> 00:21:00.664 You know what I'm looking forward to, don't you, Charlotte? Two episodes, 00:21:00.724 --> 00:21:04.784 though. Two episodes. You've got to do two. Promise you. I'll watch multiple episodes, I promise. 00:21:05.324 --> 00:21:08.584 Okay. You know what I'm looking forward to, don't you? Well, 00:21:08.964 --> 00:21:10.224 I know a lot of things you're looking forward to. 00:21:11.264 --> 00:21:14.564 Yeah, but it's the new season of Shrinking. It's coming out. 00:21:14.844 --> 00:21:18.504 Well, it's coming out on the 28th of January. We're recording this on the 26th 00:21:18.504 --> 00:21:22.404 of January. So by the time you watch or listen to this, it might actually be out. 00:21:23.904 --> 00:21:27.284 I love Shrinking. I think it's got enough of a feel-good vibe. 00:21:27.444 --> 00:21:31.004 I think the acting's great. I'm very, very excited about this. 00:21:32.284 --> 00:21:35.684 And I'm excited because you got me into this. This was one of those that I, 00:21:35.864 --> 00:21:42.144 even with the cast, I would not have given a second glance at. 00:21:42.344 --> 00:21:47.484 And once I watched the first couple episodes, I was hooked. And what is it, season three now? 00:21:48.770 --> 00:21:56.730 I think, yeah, and it is on my list, absolutely. So thank you for this. Yes. 00:21:58.150 --> 00:21:59.310 I will throw out. 00:22:00.770 --> 00:22:06.190 No, I was going to say, you talked about in your series that they leave it in 00:22:06.190 --> 00:22:08.130 a way that can continue and could stop. 00:22:09.850 --> 00:22:15.530 That happened, of course, in shrinking with season two, and now we're coming back to it. 00:22:15.570 --> 00:22:20.470 So I'm really looking forward to it. That's January the 28th for people who are interested in it. 00:22:21.610 --> 00:22:29.590 So I will throw out one that we've talked about here, Legacy of Monsters that is coming up. 00:22:29.690 --> 00:22:35.550 And I'm sorry, I don't have the start date, but I know it's coming up soon, 00:22:36.490 --> 00:22:37.790 Godzilla Legacy of Monsters. 00:22:38.230 --> 00:22:44.070 And all I can say is this is one, we've talked about it here before, 00:22:44.310 --> 00:22:46.510 it's not what you think it is. 00:22:47.210 --> 00:22:57.450 It is much more overreaching. It's not just plastic sudra or CGI monsters tearing cities apart. 00:22:57.970 --> 00:23:04.490 So I think this is the second season. So give it a shot. Yeah, season one is out. 00:23:05.590 --> 00:23:08.350 Season one is out over on Apple TV. 00:23:10.270 --> 00:23:14.190 Maybe I'll have to get into that. Maybe I'll have some monster action. This sounds quite fun. 00:23:14.590 --> 00:23:18.510 There's another show, and I have to say, I didn't know about season one of this show. 00:23:18.870 --> 00:23:24.470 It's called The Last Thing He Told Me. Season two of it is coming out on the 20th of February. 00:23:25.110 --> 00:23:27.630 Again, it's a kind of psychological thriller. 00:23:28.530 --> 00:23:33.190 So I watched the trailer for season two. One, it looked quite compelling and 00:23:33.190 --> 00:23:34.950 quite good and quite dramatic. 00:23:36.390 --> 00:23:43.010 I would also say one thing I noticed is that even on the Apple press site, 00:23:43.210 --> 00:23:45.430 they embedded the trailer from YouTube. 00:23:46.916 --> 00:23:52.096 Which I found, because I'm a nerd like this, I was pretty sure they always did 00:23:52.096 --> 00:23:55.716 a native embed on these sites, and now they're just doing YouTube, 00:23:55.716 --> 00:23:57.496 which I kind of found quite compelling. 00:23:58.116 --> 00:24:00.616 This is just me being a nerd, but I notice these things. 00:24:01.336 --> 00:24:06.876 Yeah, no, that is really interesting. I did not know that. And is this the one with Jennifer Garner? 00:24:07.936 --> 00:24:11.936 Correct. Yeah, okay. Wow, I knew an actress. Good for me. 00:24:13.376 --> 00:24:16.496 Yeah, I was not familiar with season one. 00:24:16.936 --> 00:24:20.516 Um, I will wait to hear your report on, on getting it. Yeah, 00:24:20.516 --> 00:24:21.456 I'm going to check it out. 00:24:21.956 --> 00:24:25.756 It's based on the first time I saw him, which was a New York Times bestseller 00:24:25.756 --> 00:24:28.196 by Laura Dave's, uh, Laura Dave. 00:24:28.456 --> 00:24:33.476 And so that's, that's, that's one of the, uh, that's where it comes from. 00:24:33.556 --> 00:24:35.856 It's based on a novel, which Apple does tend to like to do. 00:24:35.956 --> 00:24:39.736 It does buy a lot of IP from books, which I'm always cynical and rude about. 00:24:39.876 --> 00:24:43.276 But anyway, if someone wants to buy IP from my books, though, that's fine. 00:24:45.696 --> 00:24:48.896 Call me i'll give you charlotte's email yeah yeah 00:24:48.896 --> 00:24:51.916 fine if anyone wants to uh any any ip 00:24:51.916 --> 00:24:56.076 that i've made we can talk speak to my agent i will 00:24:56.076 --> 00:24:59.936 throw out one that's already started i i believe this the second 00:24:59.936 --> 00:25:04.496 one the second episode is out it's either out or will be out as we work almost 00:25:04.496 --> 00:25:12.076 as we recorded this and that's hijack yes idris elba yes this is another one 00:25:12.076 --> 00:25:18.416 of those that But I was almost skeptical over the hype of season one and enjoyed season one immensely. 00:25:18.436 --> 00:25:22.296 And so I'm really looking forward to digging into season two. 00:25:23.116 --> 00:25:27.616 Ah, did really well. Idris Elba better crash bang wallop. 00:25:27.936 --> 00:25:31.196 You know, what's not to like? Absolutely. 00:25:33.056 --> 00:25:40.236 Right, two minutes. Because you've told me off for not finishing the morning show last year. 00:25:42.028 --> 00:25:46.148 Obviously, I have finished it. Oh, okay. Yes, I forgot. Yes, 00:25:46.268 --> 00:25:48.168 I'm dying to hear this. Yes, please. 00:25:48.968 --> 00:25:54.508 Okay. I mean, great. I loved, love, love, loved how they brought everything 00:25:54.508 --> 00:25:58.208 together properly. I thought that was really well done, legitimately well done. 00:25:59.388 --> 00:26:01.648 But also, it was completely mad. 00:26:04.148 --> 00:26:07.088 Like 7,000 things happened. Yeah. 00:26:09.935 --> 00:26:14.735 But they've happened so fast. It was completely mad. It happened so fast that, 00:26:15.035 --> 00:26:22.475 you know, and we want to be very careful here for spoilers, but I just, I absolutely loved it. 00:26:24.195 --> 00:26:27.595 Yeah, I did. Like, I really loved how they tied everything together. 00:26:27.595 --> 00:26:29.535 I thought that was genuinely good TV. 00:26:31.315 --> 00:26:34.855 Like, no question. I just thought it was completely barmy. 00:26:35.875 --> 00:26:39.475 I'm not even saying that, like, it's a bad thing. They also have got rid of 00:26:39.475 --> 00:26:40.395 my favourite character. 00:26:43.595 --> 00:26:46.435 Am I allowed to say? Well, sure, sure. 00:26:47.595 --> 00:26:52.655 Okay. Spoilers, fast forward. So Stella Bach is obviously gone, 00:26:52.875 --> 00:26:55.075 or at least temporarily gone. 00:26:57.735 --> 00:27:02.175 I mean, I just think she's fabulous. I want every item of clothing she owns. 00:27:02.695 --> 00:27:05.955 I just think she's fabulous, and I'm really sad. 00:27:08.375 --> 00:27:12.955 Well, you know how TV is. Nobody's ever necessarily gone. 00:27:13.495 --> 00:27:18.255 And they've obviously set up – I think we can tell what's happening next, 00:27:18.275 --> 00:27:19.315 what they've set up, right? 00:27:20.495 --> 00:27:26.415 I think we can guess. Yeah. But on the other hand, I don't think I saw any – 00:27:26.415 --> 00:27:30.115 I don't remember thinking, oh, I've got a pretty good idea what's going to be 00:27:30.115 --> 00:27:34.775 coming this season, or at least it's definitely not how it concluded. 00:27:36.395 --> 00:27:38.795 I mean, there were some things. Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure. 00:27:40.595 --> 00:27:42.555 I mean, Mia's going to become the boss, isn't she? 00:27:45.656 --> 00:27:50.656 I don't know. I don't know. It's just – We'll be back to talk about it. Promise. 00:27:51.156 --> 00:27:54.536 Promise, promise, promise we'll be talking about it. It was also crazy. 00:27:54.696 --> 00:28:00.596 But there was that one moment at the end where it just – I mean, 00:28:00.676 --> 00:28:05.776 I admit my jaw kind of dropped because you weren't sure who's on whose side 00:28:05.776 --> 00:28:09.236 and who's feeding information to whom. 00:28:09.236 --> 00:28:14.316 And, you know, at the end, it just, I just thought it was one of those great 00:28:14.316 --> 00:28:18.596 moments in TV that elicited responses. Which particular moment are you talking about? 00:28:19.416 --> 00:28:20.996 I'm talking about the press conference. 00:28:22.576 --> 00:28:28.336 Oh, yeah, that was good. Yeah, that. That was legitimately brilliant TV. Yeah, yeah. 00:28:29.036 --> 00:28:31.296 And Billy Crudup is a brilliant actor. 00:28:32.756 --> 00:28:35.776 And and and he has done an amazing job 00:28:35.776 --> 00:28:39.516 of feeling like shifting sides um 00:28:39.516 --> 00:28:42.716 clearly on always on his own side but 00:28:42.716 --> 00:28:45.816 figuring out where he's going to go and is he 00:28:45.816 --> 00:28:50.656 going to be wearing a white hat or a black hat when he changes sides yeah no 00:28:50.656 --> 00:28:56.916 that is brilliant tv and i think i had the same reaction as you well as we talk 00:28:56.916 --> 00:29:00.376 about things we're looking forward to i think that could def a new season of 00:29:00.376 --> 00:29:03.356 the morning show can definitely be on the list for this year. 00:29:03.516 --> 00:29:05.456 Presumably we're going to get one in 2026. 00:29:07.236 --> 00:29:11.316 Yeah. Honestly, again, you keep up with some of that more than I have. 00:29:11.396 --> 00:29:14.856 Have they announced another season? I don't know. I don't think they have, 00:29:14.856 --> 00:29:17.696 but I think we know we're getting one. 00:29:19.352 --> 00:29:25.232 I don't think we know when we're getting one. Yeah, I hope so. I really hope so. 00:29:26.332 --> 00:29:30.752 Well, that's all quite fun. I'm sure there'll be more things to look forward to as the year goes on. 00:29:31.312 --> 00:29:34.692 Well, I'm so glad you made it back from CES in one piece. 00:29:35.132 --> 00:29:39.692 Well, thank you. You kind of look like you've recovered. I know it takes a lot out of you. 00:29:40.052 --> 00:29:46.272 One year, I really want to come. I just want to do it once just to see how crazy it is. 00:29:46.272 --> 00:29:52.632 We will we will put you into the group and walk you around and you'll come back 00:29:52.632 --> 00:29:58.812 looking like i did when i came back kind of exhausted listen what happens in 00:29:58.812 --> 00:30:00.212 vegas stays in vegas chuck. 00:30:01.792 --> 00:30:07.452 Most of the time yeah most of the time but well i would i would do a shameless 00:30:07.452 --> 00:30:11.392 plug but not everything stays in vegas because you can see a lot of the interviews 00:30:11.392 --> 00:30:17.112 that i did in vegas uh I'm still editing and releasing them on the Mac Voices feed. 00:30:17.312 --> 00:30:21.712 So go and check those out at macvoices.com. Yes, it's great. It's great stuff. 00:30:22.352 --> 00:30:27.212 Yeah. With that, though, you can find me there and you can find me on the socials. 00:30:27.312 --> 00:30:30.252 It's at Chuck Joyner. Charlotte, where can folks connect with you? 00:30:31.072 --> 00:30:36.872 Yeah, I'm at Charlotte A. Henry across social media. The main site I run is The Edition. 00:30:37.012 --> 00:30:40.172 That's The Edition, A-double-D, dot net. 00:30:41.192 --> 00:30:44.412 And you can buy my latest book, Streaming Wars, where I talk about lots of the 00:30:44.412 --> 00:30:49.092 stuff Chuck and I unpack on this show, well, wherever you get your books, really. 00:30:49.552 --> 00:30:54.492 So that's Streaming Wars, and that's out. Now, Chuck, such a pleasure to catch 00:30:54.492 --> 00:30:58.772 up, and we'll be back in a couple of weeks. We will indeed. 00:30:59.412 --> 00:31:02.752 And, folks, we hope you'll be here joining us. Thanks for watching.