WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:11.760 Music. 00:00:12.858 --> 00:00:17.458 Hello, and welcome to TV Plus Talk. We finally made it back. 00:00:17.658 --> 00:00:21.478 Life has been a little bit crazy, but I'm here, and he's Chuck Joyner. Hello. 00:00:22.338 --> 00:00:26.378 Hello, Charlotte. Yes, life has been crazy, and I think it's only fair to say 00:00:26.378 --> 00:00:27.818 it's been crazy on both sides. 00:00:28.938 --> 00:00:32.238 Just a bit, just a bit, but we're back together, and I'm very pleased about it. 00:00:32.518 --> 00:00:36.058 I am too. I feel bad about the fact that we haven't gotten to discuss a few 00:00:36.058 --> 00:00:40.838 things that have happened with Apple TV Plus, but life sometimes gets in the way. 00:00:41.638 --> 00:00:44.798 Yes. I realized I also introduced myself as here. I'm Charlotte Henry, 00:00:44.958 --> 00:00:46.638 but I am here. So that's good. 00:00:48.558 --> 00:00:54.938 Well, given that we finally made it to December, we're going to do a bit of a wrap up of the year. 00:00:55.418 --> 00:00:59.198 We'll start, I think, with our favorite shows of the year. 00:01:00.138 --> 00:01:04.178 Now, you and I are generally in agreement on this, but there was one show that 00:01:04.178 --> 00:01:07.958 you loved that I haven't actually got into yet. So maybe you want to talk about that. 00:01:08.818 --> 00:01:14.738 Yeah. Yeah, Charlotte proposed that we talk about our favorite shows for this year. 00:01:15.078 --> 00:01:19.598 And the one that I really didn't see coming but just blew me away was Dark Matter. 00:01:20.098 --> 00:01:24.798 And if you haven't seen it, it's a genre, it's a sci-fi genre kind of thing 00:01:24.798 --> 00:01:28.578 that is very twisty and turny. 00:01:28.578 --> 00:01:32.618 And I love things like that, especially in the sci-fi genre, 00:01:32.858 --> 00:01:39.578 that really do surprise you with the story plots and storylines. 00:01:39.958 --> 00:01:44.818 And this one, I had not read any of the books or anything, so I went in completely 00:01:44.818 --> 00:01:48.298 cold and absolutely loved it, became obsessed with it. 00:01:48.538 --> 00:01:51.538 So now I know it's up for season two, the last time I looked, 00:01:51.638 --> 00:01:57.058 and I'm really looking forward to that. But that had to be my number one out 00:01:57.058 --> 00:02:00.558 of a long list of really great shows this year. 00:02:01.938 --> 00:02:05.118 You generally like the Apple TV Plus sci-fi stuff, actually. 00:02:05.258 --> 00:02:09.438 Often when we're talking about shows that we like, you often highlight some in the sci-fi genre. 00:02:09.658 --> 00:02:12.758 And we've said before, and I think every time you bring up one of these examples, 00:02:12.758 --> 00:02:14.518 you only prove the point, Apple 00:02:14.518 --> 00:02:17.938 has really made a pretty decent niche for itself in the sci-fi space. 00:02:18.758 --> 00:02:24.438 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, in looking at my favorites, Foundation comes to mind. 00:02:25.758 --> 00:02:28.818 For All Mankind is another one that's right up there. 00:02:28.938 --> 00:02:33.058 I mean, that's it. It's so tough, even in that genre, but for my particular 00:02:33.058 --> 00:02:39.198 interest, to pick just one because they're all high quality shows and worth your time. 00:02:39.955 --> 00:02:44.335 Yeah, I think they've done, look, I'm not a huge sci-fi person, depends what it is. 00:02:45.195 --> 00:02:49.555 But particularly the more fantasy focused kind of sci-fi, if that makes sense. 00:02:49.715 --> 00:02:55.535 But it's pretty obvious to me that Apple has really done well in this space. 00:02:56.855 --> 00:03:03.175 A show I loved this year well there was a couple, one we agree on which is Shrinking, 00:03:03.715 --> 00:03:07.415 which I really enjoyed as well you know. 00:03:08.975 --> 00:03:12.795 Comedy, I think Bill Lawrence is on it again, there's Jason Segal as a star 00:03:12.795 --> 00:03:16.975 season 2 is there I'm working my way through it and it's just great, 00:03:17.135 --> 00:03:19.175 it's a good mix of the fun and the serious, 00:03:19.555 --> 00:03:24.715 the characters are great, the character development is great I've really enjoyed it as a series. 00:03:25.915 --> 00:03:29.795 I agree 100% and so you 00:03:29.795 --> 00:03:33.335 seem to have a little bit broader top 00:03:33.335 --> 00:03:37.755 level taste but I also think that you make a great point just like with the 00:03:37.755 --> 00:03:42.155 sci-fi genre I think Apple TV Plus has done a pretty good job in the comedy 00:03:42.155 --> 00:03:48.275 genre and so if you're really into comedies here we go again it's a nice place 00:03:48.275 --> 00:03:51.735 to go and get some very high quality comedy shows, 00:03:52.235 --> 00:03:55.155 yeah I think it got oh stand by 00:03:55.155 --> 00:03:57.875 with for the buzzer because I'm going to say it I think it got a 00:03:57.875 --> 00:04:00.615 bit of confidence after Ted Lasso actually that it could 00:04:00.615 --> 00:04:06.135 do these kind of 30 minute-ish sometimes it gets a bit indulgent comedy shows 00:04:06.135 --> 00:04:11.975 um and people would really buy into them and I think that's happened uh you 00:04:11.975 --> 00:04:15.775 know I think that has really been the case on the back of as I say Ted Lasso 00:04:15.775 --> 00:04:20.535 and Shrinking is a really great example of it um I I really enjoy that show, 00:04:21.155 --> 00:04:23.175 Another one you and I agree on. Oh, go on. 00:04:23.655 --> 00:04:29.835 Well, it just occurred to me that I compare shrinking, and I think I know what's 00:04:29.835 --> 00:04:32.315 coming next, but I won't spoil it for you. 00:04:32.995 --> 00:04:38.395 But if you take those and compare them to the comedies that network TV is trying 00:04:38.395 --> 00:04:41.555 to foist off on us, it's really intriguing. 00:04:41.755 --> 00:04:47.475 I mean, network TV has the benefit of just being free over the air or on regular cable. 00:04:48.355 --> 00:04:53.335 But I see them completely different. I can't say that – I don't even remember 00:04:53.335 --> 00:04:56.875 the last network TV comedy show that I paid any attention to. 00:04:57.255 --> 00:05:00.375 And yet when the Apple TV Plus stuff comes out, it's like, yeah, 00:05:00.495 --> 00:05:03.895 I'll give it a try and especially if you recommend something. 00:05:04.335 --> 00:05:09.715 But across the board, it just seems to work so much better than the formulas 00:05:09.715 --> 00:05:11.095 that the networks put out. 00:05:11.775 --> 00:05:14.895 Yeah, I have to say I can't think of the last –, 00:05:15.730 --> 00:05:19.710 And here in the UK, I can't think of the last comedy I settled down to. 00:05:19.790 --> 00:05:22.570 There's been some good dramas here in the UK. 00:05:23.250 --> 00:05:27.170 But, yeah, you're right about on the comedy side of it. It seems to be the streamers 00:05:27.170 --> 00:05:29.250 in general that are leading the way with that. 00:05:29.310 --> 00:05:33.510 And Apple TV Plus is doing a good job being part of it. It really, really is. 00:05:35.170 --> 00:05:38.510 And it is a good space to be in. Who doesn't like comedy? And I have to say, 00:05:38.830 --> 00:05:41.990 look, we get imported here in the UK a lot of your comedies. 00:05:41.990 --> 00:05:48.310 You know that 21 22 minute comedy with two three breaks the will and graces 00:05:48.310 --> 00:05:52.530 the friends all of that stuff and all the stuff that went through disney and 00:05:52.530 --> 00:05:56.490 still gone through disney um so there's loads of that that has made its way 00:05:56.490 --> 00:06:00.390 to the uk and look some of them are great but they're kind of 00:06:00.790 --> 00:06:05.030 formulaic aren't they and i think you know and some of the reason we like them 00:06:05.030 --> 00:06:08.390 is because there's a formula right so you know we know who the love interests 00:06:08.390 --> 00:06:13.070 are we know we get the vibe you know the first 12 minutes things are a bit difficult 00:06:13.070 --> 00:06:16.050 the next 11 everything works out okay etc etc etc. 00:06:17.010 --> 00:06:20.290 Um but apple is a little bit cleverer and 00:06:20.290 --> 00:06:23.450 the streamers in general i think have the capacity to do this they're 00:06:23.450 --> 00:06:26.270 a little bit cleverer with their comedy aren't they 00:06:26.270 --> 00:06:29.090 i i think so and 00:06:29.090 --> 00:06:32.770 i think they also have the advantage of having and as 00:06:32.770 --> 00:06:35.730 viewers we always want more but they keep 00:06:35.730 --> 00:06:38.790 it to short runs you know they they don't 00:06:38.790 --> 00:06:42.050 you don't you don't have a 20 or 30 episode season uh 00:06:42.050 --> 00:06:44.790 which has got to be hard on everybody and so i feel 00:06:44.790 --> 00:06:48.430 like that that gives them more time to focus on the quality and 00:06:48.430 --> 00:06:53.310 not just have to be ready for this season or that season or the big fall premiere 00:06:53.310 --> 00:06:59.970 seasons they can launch anything they want anytime they want yeah because yeah 00:06:59.970 --> 00:07:04.410 if you look through like the back catalogue of friends and will and grace there's 00:07:04.410 --> 00:07:05.810 20 plus episodes a season. 00:07:07.682 --> 00:07:14.562 Yeah. And that's tough to come up with storylines that are, even with a formula, 00:07:14.842 --> 00:07:16.562 that are anywhere near compelling. 00:07:17.042 --> 00:07:19.822 Yeah, I mean, that's a lot of jokes to keep writing. Yeah. 00:07:21.062 --> 00:07:24.262 And also, I think there's more of an emotional flow. You know, 00:07:24.382 --> 00:07:28.522 shrinking starts pretty seriously. 00:07:29.602 --> 00:07:35.942 And there is a sad undertone to shrinking. but it never loses I think the funny 00:07:35.942 --> 00:07:40.242 and the charm well you know what I thought of say season two of Ted Lasso bit 00:07:40.242 --> 00:07:44.662 of season three where it took itself far too seriously I think so far what I've 00:07:44.662 --> 00:07:49.242 seen of shrinking isn't doing that and it's really clever and all the better for it, 00:07:50.322 --> 00:07:56.102 I would agree it's and I think you just you just brought up exactly what I was 00:07:56.102 --> 00:08:00.542 saying that But the idea that there's more time, that there's more depth to 00:08:00.542 --> 00:08:04.502 it, that it's not like having – oh, boy, I'm going to get in trouble for this. 00:08:04.602 --> 00:08:09.202 But it's not like having a fast food meal. It's more like sitting down to a 00:08:09.202 --> 00:08:13.642 well-cooked, a little bit more sophisticated meal. 00:08:15.042 --> 00:08:20.562 I'm not watching these things in the background like I've done with some of the other things. 00:08:20.822 --> 00:08:24.562 You want to watch them. And even if you decide you're going to watch them in 00:08:24.562 --> 00:08:26.362 the background, you still get sucked in. 00:08:27.182 --> 00:08:30.742 Yeah, I mean, you can have episodes of Friends watching on not just because 00:08:30.742 --> 00:08:33.842 you while you're doing the ironing or something in the background and not just 00:08:33.842 --> 00:08:36.302 because you've seen them 25 times each. 00:08:37.642 --> 00:08:45.262 Yeah, exactly. Another show we both loved this year and hope I really hope will 00:08:45.262 --> 00:08:49.162 continue to love going into the future is Slow Horses. 00:08:49.742 --> 00:08:54.102 This to me is the next show from Apple TV Plus. It's really, really broken through. 00:08:55.932 --> 00:08:59.972 I think it's fantastic. I absolutely love it. I think Gary Oldman is brilliant. 00:09:00.792 --> 00:09:03.112 In fact, I think all the actors and the characters are brilliant. 00:09:03.232 --> 00:09:07.832 I'm shocked by it sometimes. I find myself sort of gasping out loud at some of the bits of it. 00:09:09.652 --> 00:09:14.432 I think it's brilliant. I really enjoy it. I'm right there with you. 00:09:14.532 --> 00:09:18.372 And I think it's interesting that, let's see, we're about to have season five. 00:09:18.592 --> 00:09:21.112 I think that's what Tim Cook was doing recently. 00:09:22.132 --> 00:09:26.972 Season six, haven't they? I don't know. I've lost track. I think they've done 00:09:26.972 --> 00:09:29.572 a couple of seasons. You know, it's obviously doing pretty well. 00:09:30.032 --> 00:09:34.572 Well, it's doing well because of the consistency. And I don't mean that like 00:09:34.572 --> 00:09:36.892 we were just criticizing consistency. 00:09:37.352 --> 00:09:41.092 But it's always compelling. It's a little bit different storyline. 00:09:41.372 --> 00:09:45.252 There are a few twists. The characters are deep and rich. 00:09:45.772 --> 00:09:50.332 And you either love them or don't love them for whatever reason. 00:09:50.832 --> 00:09:55.552 And sometimes both. You can love and hate the characters at the same time. Yeah. 00:09:57.152 --> 00:10:05.672 And I have to say that given that it's more focused on your side of the pond, 00:10:06.552 --> 00:10:10.312 sometimes I have a little bit of trouble with those because I don't always get 00:10:10.312 --> 00:10:11.772 all the metaphors and everything. 00:10:12.332 --> 00:10:16.852 Some of the metaphors I've had to learn, but even if I didn't understand the 00:10:16.852 --> 00:10:18.672 metaphors, it doesn't detract from the show. 00:10:20.112 --> 00:10:26.152 What's the language you've had to look up? Oh, oh, boy. What have you put into translation apps? 00:10:26.692 --> 00:10:31.112 I don't even know now because, you know, now I've got – I do it once and then it's in my head. 00:10:31.852 --> 00:10:35.932 But, you know, those kind of things. But that to me is part of the joy of it, 00:10:35.972 --> 00:10:39.512 that, you know, it is not the standard fare here. 00:10:39.812 --> 00:10:44.892 And I'm sure that you sometimes do the same thing with American shows. 00:10:45.232 --> 00:10:47.272 Sure. Try to figure out what the heck we're talking about. 00:10:48.832 --> 00:10:53.212 Oh, for sure. I think they've got a real hit with it. 00:10:53.412 --> 00:10:57.392 I mean, the way the character of Jackson Lamb has developed is brilliant. 00:10:57.752 --> 00:11:01.512 The way that whole office has developed is brilliant. 00:11:02.112 --> 00:11:05.212 I, you know, I'm going to keep planning through it. I really, really enjoy it. 00:11:05.352 --> 00:11:09.612 I have to confess, on season two, I had to do a lot of concentration to follow 00:11:09.612 --> 00:11:13.992 the storyline with the various Russians and everything else. 00:11:14.132 --> 00:11:21.152 But it was, yeah, really, really good. it's been a real hit for them and that's 00:11:21.152 --> 00:11:24.452 interesting because you wouldn't have thought a kind of, 00:11:25.336 --> 00:11:30.776 Not niche, but, you know, it isn't Jennifer Aniston and Reese Witherspoon, right? 00:11:31.456 --> 00:11:33.756 You know, Gary Oldman is a big famous actor in his own right, 00:11:33.956 --> 00:11:38.656 but he's not Jennifer Aniston and he's not Leo DiCaprio. 00:11:39.896 --> 00:11:43.456 But to have broken through like that, I think is fantastic. 00:11:45.256 --> 00:11:50.336 It almost feels like that we've often talked, we often think about how some 00:11:50.336 --> 00:11:52.556 actors just seem to be born to play a role. 00:11:52.556 --> 00:11:55.376 And you know if it happens early in their 00:11:55.376 --> 00:11:58.496 career sometimes they get typecast but but i 00:11:58.496 --> 00:12:01.536 feel like this one he's born to play jackson lamb he's 00:12:01.536 --> 00:12:04.116 brilliant isn't he he is jackson lamb you know 00:12:04.116 --> 00:12:06.856 that yeah yeah i'm right there with you he's just 00:12:06.856 --> 00:12:10.476 utterly utterly brilliant if you haven't for some reason watched slow horses 00:12:10.476 --> 00:12:14.676 finish listening or watching this podcast episode and then immediately start 00:12:14.676 --> 00:12:20.736 watching season one of slow horses because it's truly truly excellent I guess 00:12:20.736 --> 00:12:25.116 then we should move on to what we're looking forward to next year. 00:12:26.256 --> 00:12:30.996 I agree. Let's do it. Right. So for me, you know the answer to this. 00:12:31.076 --> 00:12:36.056 You could have answered on my behalf, but you know that I'm counting down the 00:12:36.056 --> 00:12:42.796 days to the 29th of January when season four of Mythic Quest appears in the TV app. 00:12:43.876 --> 00:12:52.156 You made a really good point earlier about the kind of journey that the Apple TV Plus comedies go on. 00:12:52.696 --> 00:12:59.056 And I think Mythic Quest is a great example of this because most of the time it's hilarious. 00:12:59.696 --> 00:13:02.756 And because of that, when they want to make a serious point, 00:13:03.076 --> 00:13:04.716 it really, really lands. 00:13:05.576 --> 00:13:09.896 The obvious example that you and I constantly refer back to, 00:13:09.996 --> 00:13:15.996 actually, is the brilliant, brilliant COVID episode slash episodes of Mythic Quest. 00:13:18.006 --> 00:13:21.286 Which they did utterly brilliantly. I've said it a million times, 00:13:21.346 --> 00:13:22.746 and I'll keep saying it a million more times. 00:13:22.906 --> 00:13:27.786 They covered the COVID and the pandemic the best of any show I think I followed, 00:13:29.046 --> 00:13:30.306 and they did it brilliantly. 00:13:31.846 --> 00:13:37.806 And that, to me, demonstrated the dexterity, is that the word, 00:13:37.866 --> 00:13:42.526 of the show and the script of the writers, because they could do loads of hilarious 00:13:42.526 --> 00:13:45.506 things and then have these really high-emotion moments. 00:13:45.506 --> 00:13:48.546 They've done it in other ways as well some of the relationships between the 00:13:48.546 --> 00:13:52.146 characters and the way they do that is so 00:13:52.146 --> 00:13:55.346 subtly and brilliantly done and then they'll just have these amazing laugh 00:13:55.346 --> 00:14:00.366 out loud moments as well so i am very excited for that are you going to be watching 00:14:00.366 --> 00:14:05.246 that absolutely absolutely i've mythic quest is exactly the kind of show that 00:14:05.246 --> 00:14:10.666 i would never have given the time of day had uh ken ray not really said you 00:14:10.666 --> 00:14:12.566 have to try this and once i I tried it again. 00:14:12.586 --> 00:14:15.146 Oh, it wasn't me that nagged you into submission. It was Ken. 00:14:15.386 --> 00:14:18.966 It was Ken that, I mean, well, both of you did, but I think he pushed me over 00:14:18.966 --> 00:14:20.966 the edge. Okay, good. Well done. 00:14:21.566 --> 00:14:26.386 But much to my surprise, I absolutely enjoyed it. I agree with your assessment 00:14:26.386 --> 00:14:28.786 on the serious parts versus the comedic parts. 00:14:29.406 --> 00:14:34.146 And not everyone's going to agree with this comment, but I feel like Mythic Quest isn't silly. 00:14:34.666 --> 00:14:40.226 It's funny. It's not silly. And that appeals to me. So many of the comedies 00:14:40.226 --> 00:14:46.346 that we are disparaging, they come across to me as silly. 00:14:46.626 --> 00:14:49.286 Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not disparaging Friends or Will and Grace. 00:14:49.326 --> 00:14:51.966 They're some of my favorite shows of all time. They're just different. 00:14:52.386 --> 00:14:56.806 Oh, yeah. No, absolutely. Absolutely. But there are some just silly comedies 00:14:56.806 --> 00:14:59.186 out there that seem to satisfy a need. 00:14:59.186 --> 00:15:02.146 And that's great if that's your thing. But we're right 00:15:02.146 --> 00:15:06.666 back to it That there are levels and 00:15:06.666 --> 00:15:09.726 depth to Mythic Quest And so I'm 00:15:09.726 --> 00:15:15.046 with you I am absolutely looking forward to it And I would tell anyone Go back 00:15:15.046 --> 00:15:19.066 and watch the first season And just because the pandemic is behind us Don't 00:15:19.066 --> 00:15:22.106 think that you shouldn't pay attention to those episodes And evaluate them the 00:15:22.106 --> 00:15:28.586 way we're talking about Because they hold up You can watch them now They're so clever Yeah, 00:15:29.100 --> 00:15:33.000 Well, they're clever. They also, you know, now we have a little perspective 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:34.880 on what we all went through during the pandemic. 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:39.800 And it can, I think, help you come to terms with some of that and realize that 00:15:39.800 --> 00:15:43.880 maybe if you were one of those that was having trouble, you were not the only one. 00:15:44.040 --> 00:15:49.620 And they deal with it very, very well. Very well. I couldn't agree with you more. 00:15:50.500 --> 00:15:56.620 Which makes us even more excited because in March, there is a spin-off series of Mythic Quest coming. 00:15:57.300 --> 00:16:01.900 26th of March, it goes live. It's called, obviously, it's called SideQuest, 00:16:02.100 --> 00:16:04.920 which is really, really brilliant. 00:16:06.060 --> 00:16:10.720 I'm fascinated to see what they do with that. But they call it an expansion 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:11.940 of the Mythic Quest universe. 00:16:15.020 --> 00:16:18.840 And I'll read the description from you from the Apple TV Plus PR website, 00:16:18.880 --> 00:16:20.600 if you'd like, because I think it sums it up. 00:16:20.660 --> 00:16:23.960 It says, an expansion of the Mythic Quest universe, SideQuest, 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:30.020 explores the lives of employees, players, and fans who are impacted by the game in an anthology format. 00:16:30.980 --> 00:16:34.100 I'm really looking forward to seeing this as well. yeah 00:16:34.100 --> 00:16:37.720 i i agree because i if 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:40.400 you've seen it i haven't which if they're going 00:16:40.400 --> 00:16:43.740 to focus on any particular set of employees or 00:16:43.740 --> 00:16:47.560 whether there's just going to be you know a different employee or random employees 00:16:47.560 --> 00:16:51.860 at a time yes but there's there's so much meat to those employees to go and 00:16:51.860 --> 00:16:58.680 explore outside the point is not i from what i understand that we're going to 00:16:58.680 --> 00:17:00.880 see employees from the Mythic Quest company, 00:17:00.880 --> 00:17:03.160 which is what we see in the main series. 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:08.820 This, from what I'm reading, seems to be, you know, if you work in a game shop 00:17:08.820 --> 00:17:13.260 and you're impacted by Mythic Quest or you play the game, that's how I'm interpreting it. 00:17:13.340 --> 00:17:17.120 I'm sure we'll see some of the central characters drop in and out at different 00:17:17.120 --> 00:17:21.460 points, but I don't think the company is the focus of the side quest series, 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:22.760 which I think could be fun. 00:17:23.689 --> 00:17:26.889 Got it. Got it. Good. I was not clear on that. 00:17:27.029 --> 00:17:34.549 But again, with what they've done in the show, with the game, 00:17:34.749 --> 00:17:38.009 it would be very interesting to see that other side of it too. 00:17:38.209 --> 00:17:42.589 So definitely one I would at least sample and probably devour. 00:17:43.129 --> 00:17:47.469 Yeah, we've got to go through it. We can pretend it's for work if you want. It's fine. Okay. 00:17:49.589 --> 00:17:52.289 Do you think there's a reason? and I don't want to be negative after you and 00:17:52.289 --> 00:17:56.149 I looking so forward to these shows, do you think there is a risk with any of 00:17:56.149 --> 00:18:00.909 them, you know, from six seasons or whatever of slow horses from mythic quest, 00:18:01.069 --> 00:18:03.129 four seasons of mythic quest, plus a spinoff show, 00:18:03.369 --> 00:18:06.989 et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Do you think there is a risk of overkill? 00:18:09.689 --> 00:18:14.969 Overkill in the sense of too much of a series. In the sense of it loses the 00:18:14.969 --> 00:18:16.689 quality as a result of quantity. 00:18:18.769 --> 00:18:23.829 That's a great question. And I, but, I feel like that's been avoided with just 00:18:23.829 --> 00:18:26.009 about any Apple TV Plus show you name. 00:18:26.649 --> 00:18:30.269 So far, I agree with you. Yeah. Now, some have been canceled, 00:18:30.449 --> 00:18:34.469 and some were sort of let – they let them conclude. 00:18:34.889 --> 00:18:39.609 I'm back to my thing about C, that I enjoyed it. A lot of people, 00:18:39.689 --> 00:18:40.649 that wasn't their thing. 00:18:40.869 --> 00:18:44.349 But they ran it long enough that you got a good taste for it, 00:18:44.409 --> 00:18:48.049 and then they concluded the story instead of just pulling the plug on it, 00:18:48.049 --> 00:18:53.889 and which streamers and network TVs have been known to do with annoying regularity. 00:18:54.729 --> 00:18:59.169 So sorry, I'm sorry to interject talking of sidequests. Can I rant at you for 00:18:59.169 --> 00:19:01.309 30 seconds, please on this subject? 00:19:01.649 --> 00:19:04.109 Hold on. Let me start the timer. Okay. 00:19:05.029 --> 00:19:09.509 So I, as you know, love trashy action shows. One of the trashy action shows 00:19:09.509 --> 00:19:15.429 I was enjoying was NCIS Hawaii season three, 10 episodes ends on a cliffhanger. 00:19:15.889 --> 00:19:20.229 What happens next? We don't know because they've cancelled the show Why would you do this to me? 00:19:21.547 --> 00:19:26.147 Yeah. That is a rant. I forget the 30 seconds. I agree with you. 00:19:26.287 --> 00:19:29.047 I agree with you. Thank you. Please continue making serious points. 00:19:29.547 --> 00:19:33.507 Yeah. Well, I think it's unfair to the audience. I think it's unfair to the audience. 00:19:33.607 --> 00:19:37.787 I think it shows gross disrespect for the audience and the time that they've 00:19:37.787 --> 00:19:39.247 invested in a given series. 00:19:40.027 --> 00:19:43.027 So yeah, I'm right there with you. I'm right there with you. 00:19:43.047 --> 00:19:46.607 And I think you're right, just to bring it back to our real conversation, 00:19:46.827 --> 00:19:51.267 that Apple has tended to manage that better. It's been pretty ruthless about cancellations. 00:19:51.547 --> 00:19:55.687 But it hasn't sort of left on a cliffhanger. 00:19:57.047 --> 00:20:01.627 Nothing that I'm aware of. Somebody may disagree, but nothing I'm aware of. 00:20:02.007 --> 00:20:03.847 I feel like they've done a really nice job of that. 00:20:04.967 --> 00:20:08.947 Yeah, because you were a fan of C and, you know, I can tell as a fan you're 00:20:08.947 --> 00:20:10.487 satisfied with how it ended. 00:20:10.727 --> 00:20:14.867 And, you know, okay, it's done. We can move on. It's sort of like finishing a book almost. 00:20:15.467 --> 00:20:18.647 Yes, that's a great example. Yes, that's a great example. 00:20:20.127 --> 00:20:26.407 So I don't know but I feel like that Apple TV Plus has been able to avoid the 00:20:26.407 --> 00:20:27.667 trap you're talking about, 00:20:28.587 --> 00:20:32.227 I think when they end it when they end a series they will end a series because 00:20:32.227 --> 00:20:37.687 it's time to end it but they don't drag it out just because it's popular no 00:20:37.687 --> 00:20:42.627 well quite the opposite they've been absolutely ruthless with things that have not been popular, 00:20:43.707 --> 00:20:49.467 yes yes and I mean I'm looking at the roster here of things that I have, 00:20:49.627 --> 00:20:51.307 you know, I'm looking forward to coming up. 00:20:52.367 --> 00:20:55.687 And, you know, Severance is coming up, which I'm really looking forward to having 00:20:55.687 --> 00:20:58.447 come back. That was a huge success, absolutely. 00:20:59.167 --> 00:21:03.647 Yeah. I mean, believe it or not, I'm looking forward to the morning show coming back. 00:21:04.347 --> 00:21:08.387 Right. I'm glad you mentioned this. This was one of the ones I wanted to discuss with you. Yeah. 00:21:09.340 --> 00:21:14.760 I, as you know, liked it, got irritated with it, sort of thought it redeemed 00:21:14.760 --> 00:21:18.520 itself just a bit, but not only a little bit. 00:21:18.980 --> 00:21:22.220 I think I said to you, it was a sort of poor version of Succession. 00:21:22.320 --> 00:21:27.440 I'm kind of still on that train, but they can redeem it. We'll see what happens. 00:21:27.600 --> 00:21:31.160 I assume we will have season four sometime in 2025, surely. 00:21:32.180 --> 00:21:37.720 I would think so. The way they've been talking. I don't know when Foundation 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:40.940 is coming back, but I know that that's going to continue. 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:47.200 For All Mankind has a new season coming up, and I think there's even a spinoff on that, if I'm correct. 00:21:48.180 --> 00:21:53.040 So that's just it. If you go to the Apple TV site and scroll across, 00:21:53.660 --> 00:21:55.580 I mean, there are shows here that I want to see. 00:21:55.760 --> 00:21:59.460 Oh, by the way, C did come in at number 14 on their top chart at the moment. 00:21:59.460 --> 00:22:02.160 Right masters of the air i 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:05.060 have not gotten to you know there are 00:22:05.060 --> 00:22:08.720 just so many good shows here that are potentially compelling 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:11.620 i mean sometimes i'm a little surprised at 00:22:11.620 --> 00:22:14.740 the number that i've actually watched because i don't 00:22:14.740 --> 00:22:18.080 usually focus i don't focus on networks or 00:22:18.080 --> 00:22:21.340 streamers i i look for shows and there's 00:22:21.340 --> 00:22:24.840 just a lot of good stuff here yeah um just 00:22:24.840 --> 00:22:27.900 a quick run through of what we know that we haven't mentioned coming 00:22:27.900 --> 00:22:31.220 up in 2025 there's a show called prime target in 00:22:31.220 --> 00:22:34.340 20 that's on the 22nd of january kids 00:22:34.340 --> 00:22:39.160 show called either the outlet i've got to say looks cute that's coming uh also 00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:44.940 in january february we've got the gorge surface season two berlin er that's 00:22:44.940 --> 00:22:49.720 in february in march we've got dope thief the studio side quest which i mentioned 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:52.140 and in april there's a show called government cheese. 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:57.280 And in June, end of June, there's a F1 show that's coming. 00:22:57.480 --> 00:23:02.140 I'm also have to say there's a, Apple Original Films is doing a documentary 00:23:02.140 --> 00:23:08.740 on Fleetwood Mac, which we were joking about this before. You and I both like quite heavy music. 00:23:09.080 --> 00:23:14.520 So Fleetwood Mac are not necessary, I think. I kind of, I like some of the big hits. 00:23:14.800 --> 00:23:19.620 The BBC here also use the chain for their Formula One coverage. 00:23:19.820 --> 00:23:24.340 So it's quite a big thing here. But I'm looking, I think I would watch this. 00:23:25.580 --> 00:23:29.960 An iconic band, a lot of stories to tell. I don't know how in depth they'll 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:35.220 go, given some of the, how can I put this delicately, tensions between various 00:23:35.220 --> 00:23:36.900 band members. But it could be fun. 00:23:38.004 --> 00:23:41.424 Oh, I will absolutely watch it. I mean, it's not something that I've like, 00:23:41.564 --> 00:23:44.864 as soon as it hits the stream that I will pick up. 00:23:44.984 --> 00:23:49.124 I'll slot it in. But intentions is a good, nice, polite word. 00:23:50.084 --> 00:23:54.144 Some great stories there. We've heard a lot about them. 00:23:54.764 --> 00:23:59.344 Even if you are not a Fleetwood Mac fan, you couldn't have not heard about some of those things. 00:23:59.624 --> 00:24:04.684 Right. So how they will be depicted and how well they will be done is up for 00:24:04.684 --> 00:24:09.744 grabs. But again, Apple TV+, you feel like it's got to be at least something you want to watch. 00:24:10.764 --> 00:24:17.404 Yeah, it's really fun. I guess that brings us then, not quite to the end of 00:24:17.404 --> 00:24:23.164 the show, but a chance to step back and consider where, you know, 00:24:23.404 --> 00:24:25.524 Apple TV+, launched in November 2019. 00:24:28.064 --> 00:24:32.464 We're now at December 2024. four where has 00:24:32.464 --> 00:24:35.604 the you know in these kind of basically four years where do 00:24:35.604 --> 00:24:38.524 you think time how do you think apple tv plus is sitting 00:24:38.524 --> 00:24:44.404 in the streaming universe i think it's sitting well with one exception that 00:24:44.404 --> 00:24:49.784 we've we've talked about before is that everything you and i are glowing about 00:24:49.784 --> 00:24:55.304 here doesn't get enough publicity they they've won the same thing doesn't it 00:24:55.304 --> 00:24:57.484 yeah you they've won all kind of awards, 00:24:57.704 --> 00:24:59.924 and that's something you're much more focused on than I am. 00:25:00.584 --> 00:25:05.984 And so they are getting respect within the industry, but people don't necessarily 00:25:05.984 --> 00:25:08.084 know how good some of these shows are. 00:25:08.344 --> 00:25:12.244 And that is a place that I think things have fallen down. 00:25:12.844 --> 00:25:16.284 I do think it's important, though, to think about, you just said 2019. 00:25:17.424 --> 00:25:22.924 So it launched and was starting to get its foothold at arguably the worst, 00:25:23.044 --> 00:25:26.084 in some ways the worst possible time, in some ways the best possible time. 00:25:26.084 --> 00:25:29.004 I was going to say, I think it was the best possible time for a streaming service. 00:25:29.804 --> 00:25:33.844 Well, I say worst possible time because some of the productions had to shut down. 00:25:34.244 --> 00:25:39.464 Yeah. And, you know, so that there was a little bit of slippage there as people 00:25:39.464 --> 00:25:40.704 maybe started to get into things. 00:25:40.864 --> 00:25:43.604 Then where's the rest? I want more. Yeah, that did happen. 00:25:44.144 --> 00:25:47.044 Yeah. So. Although, of course, everyone else was affected by that as well. 00:25:47.584 --> 00:25:50.924 Right, right. But I think they're well positioned. I mean, if they just keep 00:25:50.924 --> 00:25:54.424 doing what they're doing, we've, you and I have questioned the, 00:25:55.204 --> 00:25:58.444 idea of the big movies and the releases in theaters and all, 00:25:58.504 --> 00:26:02.744 and they seem to have backed off on that and maybe not. 800 hour long movies. 00:26:03.024 --> 00:26:06.084 Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, we've had that discussion too, you know, 00:26:06.164 --> 00:26:10.384 so there, but I love the fact that they've experimented and okay. 00:26:10.384 --> 00:26:14.884 So that they, if they have determined that financially or based on their objectives, 00:26:15.484 --> 00:26:18.924 some of those experiments haven't happened, that doesn't mean they're failures. 00:26:18.924 --> 00:26:21.704 It just means that it's not the direction to go. 00:26:21.784 --> 00:26:25.144 If you're not trying, if you, If everything you're doing is working, 00:26:25.344 --> 00:26:26.484 you're not trying enough stuff. 00:26:28.068 --> 00:26:32.428 Yeah, I think they're getting into a rhythm of what they know works and what they know doesn't. 00:26:33.868 --> 00:26:38.008 Comedies, documentaries and sci-fi seems to work particularly well. 00:26:39.888 --> 00:26:43.508 They're obviously moved into the live sports place, which is, 00:26:43.588 --> 00:26:45.928 you know, something I'm really interested in. 00:26:46.028 --> 00:26:49.388 And there is no doubt we'll see more of that. I don't know if it will happen in 2025. 00:26:49.688 --> 00:26:53.148 It depends what deals are available and what rights are available. 00:26:53.148 --> 00:27:02.688 But both the baseball and the MLS will continue on Apple TV+. 00:27:02.688 --> 00:27:06.448 And actually, it was some MLS Cup competition the other day. 00:27:06.608 --> 00:27:12.108 And I think if you had TV+, some games you could see free if you had TV+, some were just free. 00:27:12.288 --> 00:27:16.668 So it's obviously trying to tell people that there is sport available through 00:27:16.668 --> 00:27:20.108 Apple TV+, and Associated. So that will be interesting. 00:27:20.928 --> 00:27:23.908 Um it'll be interesting to see how apple tv 00:27:23.908 --> 00:27:26.708 plus competes on that front because now netflix is dipping its toe into the 00:27:26.708 --> 00:27:29.788 water it's got well i was going to say wwe 00:27:29.788 --> 00:27:34.148 but that isn't really sport what is sport is the nfl on christmas day which 00:27:34.148 --> 00:27:40.908 is going to be on netflix um so apple has kind of done it in some ways i'm very 00:27:40.908 --> 00:27:45.688 surprised at how apple has approached live sport because it did it very early, 00:27:45.828 --> 00:27:47.468 much earlier compared to its rivals. 00:27:48.168 --> 00:27:52.368 Very quickly we had baseball and then the MLS on Apple TV Plus. 00:27:53.728 --> 00:27:59.808 But that hasn't happened. But now Netflix is getting some of the really valuable stuff, i.e. 00:28:00.308 --> 00:28:03.448 NFL on Christmas Day. It's a big deal. 00:28:04.228 --> 00:28:09.008 Whether or not they can actually deliver it so people can watch it is a different thing. So it is... 00:28:10.628 --> 00:28:12.148 Hello, Mike Tyson and Jake Paul. 00:28:14.517 --> 00:28:20.917 But we so it will be I will be following closely how Apple continues to move 00:28:20.917 --> 00:28:23.437 in that space in the year ahead, 00:28:23.677 --> 00:28:27.877 given that, you know, back while we're being reflexive, it has made, 00:28:28.037 --> 00:28:33.137 you know, it has made a marker on, you know, two clearest places. Right. 00:28:33.337 --> 00:28:37.077 It's where you watch baseball on a Friday night is where you can watch the MLS 00:28:37.077 --> 00:28:40.557 and its global thing is very important to it. 00:28:40.557 --> 00:28:46.077 So I suspect any rights negotiation that happens will be based on what we've 00:28:46.077 --> 00:28:48.737 seen so far in that kind of global terms. 00:28:49.857 --> 00:28:54.317 And I want to just dance back for a second to the Mike Tyson thing. 00:28:55.057 --> 00:29:00.977 Because that, well, the idea that, you know, the stream went down and there 00:29:00.977 --> 00:29:01.837 were all kinds of problems. 00:29:02.097 --> 00:29:06.357 I think it's interesting that, you know, it's a good thing they picked that 00:29:06.357 --> 00:29:08.617 one as opposed to an NFL game. 00:29:09.397 --> 00:29:13.477 To, you know. It's going to happen in an Apple game. I promise you on Christmas 00:29:13.477 --> 00:29:14.257 Day it's going to happen. 00:29:15.277 --> 00:29:19.177 I'm like you. I feel certain. And I think it's very dangerous for them to do 00:29:19.177 --> 00:29:22.377 it because I'm afraid that could result in quite a backlash. 00:29:22.877 --> 00:29:27.637 I'm not unhappy that Apple has decided not to try to swallow some of these challenges whole. 00:29:28.057 --> 00:29:32.597 Let some other people be out there, you know, taking the arrows and then figure 00:29:32.597 --> 00:29:37.497 out, you know, what kind of hardware and what kind of services need to be put 00:29:37.497 --> 00:29:41.437 in place to be able to deliver something of that nature. 00:29:42.057 --> 00:29:46.057 Well, it's a very Apple approach, isn't it? Absolutely, absolutely. 00:29:47.197 --> 00:29:51.477 We've seen Amazon be able to do it pretty well with the NFL on Thursday nights 00:29:51.477 --> 00:29:56.177 that I don't believe that I've seen any significant write-ups of any major outages 00:29:56.177 --> 00:29:58.897 there, but it's a Thursday night game. 00:29:59.377 --> 00:30:03.697 This is going to be a major game on a major holiday that, 00:30:04.633 --> 00:30:08.713 Let's see how it goes. But honestly, I'm kind of glad Apple's not the one doing 00:30:08.713 --> 00:30:10.933 it because I think the stakes are too high. 00:30:11.953 --> 00:30:15.093 It's Kansas City a play, aren't they, on Christmas Day? I think they're one 00:30:15.093 --> 00:30:17.233 of the teams, you know. I believe so, yeah. 00:30:17.853 --> 00:30:21.233 That's going to be people tune in to watch them. 00:30:21.933 --> 00:30:26.113 Even I know that. Yeah, yeah. If nothing else, just to see if Taylor Swift's 00:30:26.113 --> 00:30:29.213 making a Christmas Day appearance. Taylor Swift. 00:30:30.953 --> 00:30:34.173 Yeah, it's not the reason you should be tuning in to the football game, But, you know, hey. 00:30:34.513 --> 00:30:37.713 Is Jason Kelsey going to be there jumping around without a shirt on? 00:30:37.913 --> 00:30:39.733 These are things we need to know, people. 00:30:42.713 --> 00:30:45.273 Are you putting in a request, Sherwood? Is that what's happening here? 00:30:45.413 --> 00:30:49.633 Absolutely not. I mean, it was funny. 00:30:51.173 --> 00:30:55.673 But I think both – but it seems – and also, of course, Patrick Mahomes, 00:30:55.913 --> 00:30:58.793 arguably the best quarterback going. 00:30:59.073 --> 00:31:03.073 So these are all things people want to cheat in for. The load will be big. 00:31:03.353 --> 00:31:07.833 And it seems to be Netflix that has the biggest problem with it. Yeah. 00:31:09.373 --> 00:31:18.333 I get it that Friday Night Baseball and the MLS are not as popular as the Kansas City Chiefs. 00:31:19.493 --> 00:31:24.053 Right. But it always seems to be Netflix that fall down. 00:31:24.853 --> 00:31:29.933 And Apple seem to have had the structure in place where nothing has fallen down yet. 00:31:32.513 --> 00:31:35.753 And that's where I think they're smart. I think they're just, 00:31:35.813 --> 00:31:38.513 they're doing the Apple thing. They're playing the long game. 00:31:38.933 --> 00:31:43.153 They're letting somebody else lead the way, and then they come in and do it better. 00:31:44.573 --> 00:31:48.353 Okay, I don't necessarily agree with slightly that characterization because 00:31:48.353 --> 00:31:53.833 Apple did live sport, basically proper live sport, before Netflix, 00:31:53.853 --> 00:31:55.273 arguably. Amazon did it. 00:31:55.513 --> 00:32:00.773 You know, you're right that Amazon was ahead of both, if I can remember the timeline right. 00:32:00.773 --> 00:32:07.673 But Apple did jump in earlier than I expected and have, you know, 00:32:07.873 --> 00:32:13.653 while we're reflecting on this year, have really doubled down in the spaces 00:32:13.653 --> 00:32:14.773 that they're interested in. 00:32:14.873 --> 00:32:18.793 But they haven't had these falling over disasters. They just haven't. 00:32:19.353 --> 00:32:26.413 No, they got in slow and sure. I mean, please, no emails. Baseball is fine. 00:32:26.733 --> 00:32:32.073 Football slash soccer is fine. But, you know, they don't necessarily draw the biggest audiences. 00:32:32.353 --> 00:32:36.773 So I guarantee you Apple learned a lot from doing all of those. 00:32:37.313 --> 00:32:43.433 And now maybe in 2025, to your point as to what deals are available, 00:32:43.773 --> 00:32:46.473 then we'll see maybe if they step up to something else. 00:32:47.793 --> 00:32:53.313 Yeah, it's going to be one of the stories of next year, I think. 00:32:53.693 --> 00:32:56.993 And thankfully for Apple, it hasn't particularly been a story of 2024. 00:32:57.553 --> 00:33:07.293 But I think the thing about LiveSport is that it helps cement the credibility of these platforms. 00:33:08.013 --> 00:33:12.213 You know, you and I can talk about the good shows that we like as much as we 00:33:12.213 --> 00:33:15.013 want, and there are great shows on basically every streaming platform. 00:33:17.793 --> 00:33:21.193 But if you're broadcasting LiveSport... 00:33:21.810 --> 00:33:27.910 For me, it makes you look like a proper, she says in inverted commas, 00:33:28.110 --> 00:33:30.190 network, which I think they're all starting to like. 00:33:30.870 --> 00:33:34.030 One of the big controversies of the year, which I'd sort of forgotten about 00:33:34.030 --> 00:33:36.550 until we started this conversation, was Jon Stewart. 00:33:37.370 --> 00:33:43.270 Because the thing I was going to say is live news is the other complicated thing for streamers. 00:33:43.270 --> 00:33:47.690 And Apple in particular has shown that it wants to keep a million miles away 00:33:47.690 --> 00:33:54.410 from news, including the way it ended, so we're told, the Jon Stewart show that was on. 00:33:54.630 --> 00:33:57.250 That was a pretty sticky time, I thought. 00:33:58.510 --> 00:34:04.090 I agree. And when that was first announced, of course, it's hindsight, right? 00:34:04.190 --> 00:34:07.790 But I was a little surprised because it just seemed like that didn't fit the 00:34:07.790 --> 00:34:13.510 Apple mold from any angle. I mean, because was it news? 00:34:13.750 --> 00:34:17.050 Well, it wasn't exactly news. It wasn't exactly comedy. 00:34:18.250 --> 00:34:25.130 It was more social commentary, and Stuart is known for having a pretty sharp tongue in a lot of ways. 00:34:25.830 --> 00:34:32.110 And, you know, those are the things that Apple doesn't necessarily court as a way to get viewers. 00:34:32.970 --> 00:34:37.610 Totally. So in a lot of ways, I'm glad that, you know, it went away as quietly 00:34:37.610 --> 00:34:41.350 as it did. and it didn't go away real quietly, but it could have gotten a lot 00:34:41.350 --> 00:34:44.550 worse if the situation had continued. 00:34:45.130 --> 00:34:49.250 Stewart wanted to do what he wanted to do and Apple wanted to try to hold him 00:34:49.250 --> 00:34:52.270 down. And then it just gets ugly and messy. 00:34:53.070 --> 00:34:57.350 Yeah. I shocked you when this news broke and we discussed it on the show by 00:34:57.350 --> 00:35:03.770 saying, I kind of thought Jon Stewart had messed up a bit by making a fuss. 00:35:03.890 --> 00:35:05.670 I was like, well, Apple is paying your checks. 00:35:06.210 --> 00:35:09.710 You signed a deal with a big tech company, what did you think was going to happen? 00:35:10.930 --> 00:35:15.150 And you were surprised at my take on that. And I think I still basically stand 00:35:15.150 --> 00:35:21.030 by that take, because Apple doesn't pretend to be a news outlet. 00:35:21.870 --> 00:35:25.490 It wants to sell iPhones and computers, and it makes some TV shows. 00:35:25.610 --> 00:35:28.230 It's not pretending to be a legitimate journalistic enterprise. 00:35:30.310 --> 00:35:33.290 It curates some news in Apple News Plus, and that's it, 00:35:33.290 --> 00:35:36.390 really um so i don't i still 00:35:36.390 --> 00:35:39.210 don't know all these months on what john stewart thought he was getting 00:35:39.210 --> 00:35:42.470 into when he signed that deal um and 00:35:42.470 --> 00:35:49.890 so i thought he was a bit naive uh so i kind of stand by that but it was i would 00:35:49.890 --> 00:35:56.030 say the stickiest moment tv plus has had in in its kind of four or five year 00:35:56.030 --> 00:36:02.170 history and so i think it probably taught apple that they don't want to bother with news at all, 00:36:02.986 --> 00:36:08.706 I would agree. And to your point, I think there was a bit of naivete on Apple's 00:36:08.706 --> 00:36:13.746 part, because you look at John Stewart, you look at what he's done and where he made his bones. 00:36:14.906 --> 00:36:18.806 What did you think was going to happen? Yeah. I mean, did you think he was suddenly 00:36:18.806 --> 00:36:22.286 going to clean up his language and tone down his vitriol? 00:36:23.086 --> 00:36:27.066 Vitriol is a harsh word, but sometimes vitriol. Yeah. 00:36:27.306 --> 00:36:31.586 And so, yeah, I think it was just one of those, it was a blind date that went bad. 00:36:33.946 --> 00:36:39.266 And haven't we all experienced that? That will be our next show. 00:36:40.326 --> 00:36:44.926 Show us dead blind dates. It absolutely will not be. 00:36:46.726 --> 00:36:54.186 Now we've got to this point, rate Apple TV Plus kind of positioning out of 10. 00:36:54.386 --> 00:36:58.466 I'm tempted to do a Nilay Patel from The Verge thing and say you can't say seven. 00:37:02.266 --> 00:37:09.406 For me as as a user or as a user as a viewer um you know i'm going to put it at 8.5 to 9, 00:37:09.926 --> 00:37:14.606 because of the of the number and i'm surprised when i go back and realize how 00:37:14.606 --> 00:37:18.806 many of the the best shows and the shows i've enjoyed the most this year are 00:37:18.806 --> 00:37:24.206 apple tv plus shows so i think i think i think they're hitting they're hitting 00:37:24.206 --> 00:37:26.906 on all cylinders in a lot of ways they've made a few missteps, 00:37:27.146 --> 00:37:29.186 but I think they're doing the right things. 00:37:30.646 --> 00:37:34.706 So from a viewer's perspective, as in, are there shows I want to watch on it? 00:37:35.086 --> 00:37:38.906 I'm going to say eight as well, because there are lots of things I want to watch. 00:37:39.046 --> 00:37:41.586 And never mind anything else. Every time you and I do a show, 00:37:41.706 --> 00:37:44.646 I go, oh, damn, I haven't even got to that yet. I want to watch it. 00:37:45.966 --> 00:37:49.746 So in terms of the quality available on the service, I think eight is fair. 00:37:49.746 --> 00:37:57.046 But I think I have to overall give the four years a six because they haven't 00:37:57.046 --> 00:38:00.626 told enough people about it, and I'm not sure who's even paying for Apple TV+. 00:38:01.806 --> 00:38:04.946 Okay. If you take it from that angle, I'm with you. 00:38:05.566 --> 00:38:11.126 A six would be appropriate. Yeah. And so please, Apple, get out there. 00:38:11.446 --> 00:38:15.466 Charlotte and I can't do it all alone. Let people know about this great content. 00:38:16.426 --> 00:38:20.126 Yeah. And you and I are kind of independent. We're allowed to be rude about 00:38:20.126 --> 00:38:22.546 stuff. Apple needs to tell people about the good stuff. 00:38:22.846 --> 00:38:26.766 You and I here are kind of to judge if it's good or not. If it is, 00:38:26.886 --> 00:38:27.906 people should know about it. 00:38:29.183 --> 00:38:33.763 Agreed. Agreed. Well then, Merry Christmas. 00:38:34.343 --> 00:38:38.863 Merry Christmas. Happy New Year to you. Yeah, we've made it through 2024. 00:38:40.423 --> 00:38:44.143 Viewers, listeners, there's going to be lots of exciting stuff from TV Plus 00:38:44.143 --> 00:38:50.043 Talk back in 2025, when Chuck and I have maybe slightly had a break. 00:38:51.103 --> 00:38:54.583 So please make sure you're joining us. 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