WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:09.840 Music. 00:00:09.689 --> 00:00:14.669 Hello and welcome to the edition podcast. I am your host as ever, Charlotte Henry. 00:00:15.169 --> 00:00:18.589 And she hasn't been here for a while. Frankly, I miss catching up with her. 00:00:18.729 --> 00:00:19.649 So hello, Kelly. Come on. 00:00:20.549 --> 00:00:25.829 Hello, Charlotte. Lovely to be here. I've got tea in hand as a. Likewise, likewise. 00:00:26.249 --> 00:00:30.389 So cups of tea in hand. We're just going to sit and gossip and you can listen to it. 00:00:30.809 --> 00:00:33.229 No, we do have. Have you heard? Oh, sorry. 00:00:33.749 --> 00:00:37.309 We do actually. That's for the paid portion of the program. You can sign up 00:00:37.309 --> 00:00:39.309 at the end of the show. So Charlotte, we'll have a link for you. 00:00:39.589 --> 00:00:40.609 Don't encourage people. 00:00:42.109 --> 00:00:46.209 We do have a quite almost philosophical topic, I would say. 00:00:47.309 --> 00:00:53.269 I think so. We were chatting, texting, and you pointed out a load of shows that 00:00:53.269 --> 00:00:54.989 just disappear from streaming. 00:00:55.829 --> 00:01:02.009 And on top of that, kind of become really impossible to get away from a streaming service. 00:01:02.149 --> 00:01:04.969 So there's been a few for years. 00:01:05.249 --> 00:01:07.889 And you may notice a theme developing, as I point out these shows. 00:01:08.569 --> 00:01:13.329 I have wanted to watch studio 60 on the sunset strip and i have wanted to watch 00:01:13.329 --> 00:01:22.409 sports night as i say a slight theme but but anyway you cannot find these aaron sorkin shows. 00:01:23.649 --> 00:01:28.629 Anywhere you can bet you can buy some episodes of them i think sometimes on 00:01:28.629 --> 00:01:34.069 apple you know through the tv app or whatever but they're really not that easy to find. 00:01:35.209 --> 00:01:41.669 Um and and there are a host of shows like this you of course went straight for disney, 00:01:42.769 --> 00:01:45.829 and pointed out there was the was 00:01:45.829 --> 00:01:49.389 it the willow show you liked you couldn't find a whole 00:01:49.389 --> 00:01:52.429 host of sesame street has disappeared now this is 00:01:52.429 --> 00:01:55.869 an issue that's been going on for a long time right there's an article uh when 00:01:55.869 --> 00:01:58.609 i was actually doing some research um for this 00:01:58.609 --> 00:02:02.369 show from like may 29 29th in 00:02:02.369 --> 00:02:05.169 2023 that talked about when warner brothers 00:02:05.169 --> 00:02:08.449 discovery ditched a whole load of shows for tax write-offs it 00:02:08.449 --> 00:02:11.529 mentioned the disney stuff you were concerned about but this is 00:02:11.529 --> 00:02:17.469 just a constant ongoing thing right yeah and um a couple of things that i've 00:02:17.469 --> 00:02:23.869 noticed uh like one of the first sort of big ones was um and i'm gonna forget 00:02:23.869 --> 00:02:28.309 which movie it was but there was a um a Warner Brothers film that was like a 00:02:28.309 --> 00:02:31.389 one of the DC comic book movies that they made, 00:02:32.089 --> 00:02:34.709 completed production on like all the effects and everything were part of 00:02:34.709 --> 00:02:37.769 it and then they went well we were gonna put it on streaming 00:02:37.769 --> 00:02:42.809 but it's cheaper for us to take the loss yeah that it is for us to put it out 00:02:42.809 --> 00:02:46.329 yep that was a very big deal Warner Brothers Discovery did that yeah and they 00:02:46.329 --> 00:02:52.649 just kind of sorry no you know um and I know a lot of people were really looking 00:02:52.649 --> 00:02:57.529 forward to it I want to say it was one of the batman like i think it was the bat the batgirl movie um, 00:02:58.391 --> 00:03:01.851 I'm not going to remember as well, but like a lot of people had been very much 00:03:01.851 --> 00:03:03.791 looking forward to it. It evaporated. 00:03:05.031 --> 00:03:09.171 The reason Willow's the one that stands out to me is because I was watching it and I don't remember. 00:03:09.291 --> 00:03:12.651 I had to go out of town or something while it was still they were doing out 00:03:12.651 --> 00:03:17.771 one episode a week and came home from whatever it was, had missed one or two 00:03:17.771 --> 00:03:23.291 and meant to come back around to it, you know, which happens sometimes and didn't 00:03:23.291 --> 00:03:24.231 make it back around to it. 00:03:24.311 --> 00:03:29.231 And so I don't know how it turned out. it evaporated and I can't see anything. 00:03:29.411 --> 00:03:33.531 I was really excited when Warner Brothers teamed up with. 00:03:34.831 --> 00:03:39.611 Sesame Workshop and they were putting episodes of Sesame Street out and then 00:03:39.611 --> 00:03:43.691 all of a sudden I was looking for something and found out it was in season whatever, 00:03:44.911 --> 00:03:48.591 and went to show it to a friend of mine and that season was no longer on, 00:03:49.891 --> 00:03:52.811 HBO and it was like season 1, 00:03:52.991 --> 00:03:56.711 season 2, season 3 season 45 46 47 00:03:56.711 --> 00:03:59.531 like a whole bunch of stuff from the 00:03:59.531 --> 00:04:02.231 middle that a lot of people who are now people who are 00:04:02.231 --> 00:04:05.031 paying for streaming and remember watching when they were kids is the stuff 00:04:05.031 --> 00:04:09.931 that's simply evaporated right um it was back girl by the way you were right 00:04:09.931 --> 00:04:16.811 um and that disappeared in sort of summer 2022 yeah and that was a huge thing 00:04:16.811 --> 00:04:19.571 uh scooby holiday hunt also disappeared um. 00:04:20.015 --> 00:04:24.675 Yeah, Scooby-Doo was the other one. Yeah. And things drop left, right, and center. 00:04:24.895 --> 00:04:29.215 And, like, the good news and the bad news about it is that it sort of evaporates for everyone. 00:04:29.295 --> 00:04:33.815 Because, like, one of the other reasons Willow stands out to me is because I 00:04:33.815 --> 00:04:38.995 remember somebody who worked on the show went on Twitter and asked if there 00:04:38.995 --> 00:04:44.375 was any way for anyone to get them a copy because they're in it and they have 00:04:44.375 --> 00:04:47.035 no evidence that they were. 00:04:47.195 --> 00:04:49.855 Like, I want it for my reel as an actor. 00:04:50.015 --> 00:04:52.775 Sure it's a thing this is one of the actors yeah who was. 00:04:52.775 --> 00:04:56.475 In willow had no copy of a show no evidence i 00:04:56.475 --> 00:04:59.235 ever worked on it at all doesn't can anyone help me 00:04:59.235 --> 00:05:02.575 make this happen like was like i can't 00:05:02.575 --> 00:05:05.575 buy it or i would and you 00:05:05.575 --> 00:05:09.175 know was like yeah i can't you know can someone can 00:05:09.175 --> 00:05:12.815 someone on the internet help me out right and yeah 00:05:12.815 --> 00:05:15.755 that's kind of a niche issue i think 00:05:15.755 --> 00:05:19.235 i understand it doesn't happen to everyone but like for somebody who legitimately 00:05:19.235 --> 00:05:22.435 has a reason to want a hard copy is unable to 00:05:22.435 --> 00:05:25.675 receive one i found fascinating but but 00:05:25.675 --> 00:05:28.875 i it is fascinating but i want to take a sort of broader philosophical 00:05:28.875 --> 00:05:32.035 look at this because having known 00:05:32.035 --> 00:05:34.675 me for as long as you have you know i there's lots 00:05:34.675 --> 00:05:37.635 of digital things i like but i am a bit of a i 00:05:37.635 --> 00:05:40.495 like physical media as well you and i like so for 00:05:40.495 --> 00:05:43.155 example 90 to 99 percent of the 00:05:43.155 --> 00:05:45.975 books i read i read a physical copy I do like Kindle I have 00:05:45.975 --> 00:05:48.975 no aversion to Kindles and Kelly's 00:05:48.975 --> 00:05:51.895 pointing out her back her bookshelf behind her 00:05:51.895 --> 00:05:55.475 she can see my collection of CDs and vinyl records behind 00:05:55.475 --> 00:05:59.415 me I do like physical media and 00:05:59.415 --> 00:06:02.295 part of that is because it means 00:06:02.295 --> 00:06:08.695 you have it quote unquote forever right right so if there is a book I want to 00:06:08.695 --> 00:06:11.615 read you don't know when that's going to exist or the rights will disappear 00:06:11.615 --> 00:06:15.935 off the kindle or whatever I have a copy on my shelf you don't know what we 00:06:15.935 --> 00:06:19.695 don't know what rights will happen music wise right. 00:06:20.708 --> 00:06:23.288 I mean, you have that problem now with certain things, right? 00:06:23.368 --> 00:06:27.108 Like there's probably albums you can listen to that I can't or I know I run 00:06:27.108 --> 00:06:31.668 into sometimes like the deluxe version will have a track and I'll go to play 00:06:31.668 --> 00:06:34.248 it and it'll say this isn't authorized in your country. 00:06:34.508 --> 00:06:38.768 Yeah, that was definitely a problem previously. I think it's got better. Some of it has. Yeah. 00:06:39.168 --> 00:06:44.908 But not entirely. You're absolutely right. It seems to be TV and movies that is the biggest issue. 00:06:45.428 --> 00:06:51.008 Yeah. But I kind of don't want to go, books are one thing, CDs are another. 00:06:51.888 --> 00:06:56.608 But I kind of don't want to go back to stacks and stacks of DVDs, 00:06:56.668 --> 00:07:00.648 for instance, and like worrying that it's the right DVD region. 00:07:00.788 --> 00:07:04.488 Do you remember that? Region 1, Region 2 DVDs. Can I watch it in the UK? 00:07:04.988 --> 00:07:12.368 There was all of that. so it is an interesting one of how the the company the 00:07:12.368 --> 00:07:16.488 rights holders are dealing with this, 00:07:17.568 --> 00:07:20.668 yeah like it's it's not a nothing burger 00:07:20.668 --> 00:07:26.548 issue and i just think philosophically it's kind of as i say separating the 00:07:26.548 --> 00:07:30.368 dvds the books the cds we own are a really fundamental part of our personalities 00:07:30.368 --> 00:07:36.068 right if all that stuff is kind of disappearing right okay of course we're gonna 00:07:36.068 --> 00:07:39.128 Star Wars t-shirt Bill and Ted. 00:07:40.328 --> 00:07:46.768 Yeah today's Bill and Ted but like this stuff is fundamental to our personalities 00:07:46.768 --> 00:07:51.608 if I'm wearing a band t-shirt that means something if I'm reading a certain 00:07:51.608 --> 00:07:55.028 book and people see it on the tube they kind of learn something about me, 00:07:55.868 --> 00:07:58.008 and that's disappearing completely. 00:07:58.932 --> 00:08:01.912 And it's disappearing at a cost where we still can't 00:08:01.912 --> 00:08:04.812 access a lot of that stuff because someone 00:08:04.812 --> 00:08:07.612 needs it for a tax write-off or whatever yeah and 00:08:07.612 --> 00:08:10.632 and the other one is um you know a thing and 00:08:10.632 --> 00:08:13.572 i know you can do this with it with a kindle but to my 00:08:13.572 --> 00:08:16.632 knowledge you can't really do it with anything else which is charlotte i 00:08:16.632 --> 00:08:20.052 read this book and it's amazing you should read it too let me hand you the copy and 00:08:20.052 --> 00:08:22.932 you can go sit down and read it and then it is 00:08:22.932 --> 00:08:25.912 the first of a 10 book series okay well now 00:08:25.912 --> 00:08:29.772 you're going to go buy 10 books because you read 00:08:29.772 --> 00:08:32.472 the one and like it you want to know how it turns out you're invested you're going 00:08:32.472 --> 00:08:36.092 to keep going it's you know it's free advertising you 00:08:36.092 --> 00:08:39.012 know that's an interesting point and like that's 00:08:39.012 --> 00:08:42.612 the thing that is part of why like um and 00:08:42.612 --> 00:08:45.652 and i know we won't talk about it i know this is a well well 00:08:45.652 --> 00:08:48.672 covered ground with you and i um but i i 00:08:48.672 --> 00:08:51.472 prefer to buy nintendo switch games on the hard 00:08:51.472 --> 00:08:54.212 cartridge for this same reason because then i 00:08:54.212 --> 00:08:57.132 can hand it to my friend and go this game is fun you should 00:08:57.132 --> 00:09:02.312 play it yeah um cds same things yeah yeah for a bit of context kelly's been 00:09:02.312 --> 00:09:06.452 trying to persuade me to buy a switch for at least five years possibly longer 00:09:06.452 --> 00:09:10.032 just because she wants to play online games with me as if i'm not easily distracted 00:09:10.032 --> 00:09:15.732 enough um but i think games are another good example digital games physical games. 00:09:16.432 --> 00:09:19.272 This stuff you know it can get pulled at any 00:09:19.272 --> 00:09:22.292 point what are the consequences of that 00:09:22.292 --> 00:09:25.092 one if you spent spent the money to like you 00:09:25.092 --> 00:09:28.252 said the example of you got into a show then it 00:09:28.252 --> 00:09:33.392 disappeared yeah it's it 00:09:33.392 --> 00:09:38.232 is one of the consequences of the sort of digitization of media of the move 00:09:38.232 --> 00:09:42.832 to streaming that's really not yet been solved or unpacked I don't think right 00:09:42.832 --> 00:09:46.572 because it's not like it got moved behind a different paywall it's not like 00:09:46.572 --> 00:09:49.732 I was paying for Disney plus and it came off of Disney Plus. 00:09:49.912 --> 00:09:55.572 But now if I go to the store portion of Disney Plus or I go to iTunes or I go 00:09:55.572 --> 00:09:58.812 to Amazon, I can buy a digital copy and download it and own it, 00:09:58.872 --> 00:10:03.012 you know, for whatever value that means in certain instances. 00:10:04.392 --> 00:10:09.072 But at the same time, like that's part of, and the thing I think that makes 00:10:09.072 --> 00:10:14.612 it the most frustrating is because it's been obvious in some cases why those things are gone. 00:10:14.612 --> 00:10:19.832 It's better for HBO to make the Batgirl movie evaporate Than it is to show it 00:10:19.832 --> 00:10:24.072 to people A movie that's completely finished, in the can, done We've spent the 00:10:24.072 --> 00:10:25.212 money on it, we need to spend, 00:10:26.011 --> 00:10:29.871 It's not like, oh, it was too expensive and we had to stop. Nothing like that. 00:10:30.171 --> 00:10:32.851 It was completely finished and they just went, yeah, no. 00:10:34.271 --> 00:10:37.351 And, you know, so like in that case, you know, it's not, oh, 00:10:37.431 --> 00:10:41.471 well, we went straight to physical media to release it because like, 00:10:41.551 --> 00:10:45.331 no, they were just like, we make more money if we don't show it to anybody. 00:10:45.611 --> 00:10:47.051 We lose less money. It's a tax write-off. 00:10:47.431 --> 00:10:50.611 Yeah, like we lose less. uh and and having 00:10:50.611 --> 00:10:54.651 it be a very transparently profit-driven decision 00:10:54.651 --> 00:10:57.751 i think is the part that is also new about it 00:10:57.751 --> 00:11:00.611 because it used to just sort of be like things disappeared or it 00:11:00.611 --> 00:11:04.211 was on netflix and now it's on amazon prime only because 00:11:04.211 --> 00:11:06.951 reasons right like we used to be the 00:11:06.951 --> 00:11:09.871 rights juggling stuff i've done that with shows where 00:11:09.871 --> 00:11:12.791 i've been watching on one platform the next day it's not there 00:11:12.791 --> 00:11:15.811 and you jump to the next platform find it on another platform yeah 00:11:15.811 --> 00:11:19.091 that's one thing vaguely annoying but yeah 00:11:19.091 --> 00:11:21.951 but you can still pick up where you left off and see the 00:11:21.951 --> 00:11:25.531 other the rest of that season of that show or whatever and that's 00:11:25.531 --> 00:11:28.871 not the case with these sort of um we lose 00:11:28.871 --> 00:11:31.931 we lose less money or the bottom line looks better if 00:11:31.931 --> 00:11:34.891 we don't show it if we pull it 00:11:34.891 --> 00:11:37.771 away and you don't get an alternative there's no 00:11:37.771 --> 00:11:40.611 way to get a hold of the rest of willow there's no 00:11:40.611 --> 00:11:43.611 way to no legitimate way to get hold 00:11:43.611 --> 00:11:46.431 of the back half of the season of willow that 00:11:46.431 --> 00:11:49.371 i didn't see or studio 60 on the 00:11:49.371 --> 00:11:52.251 sunset strip for you uh there's not a way for 00:11:52.251 --> 00:11:55.471 you to do that you know studio 60 00:11:55.471 --> 00:11:59.831 like the upside is there may be physical copies of it in the world that are 00:11:59.831 --> 00:12:03.511 probably a breathtaking amount of money because you can't so the demand of that 00:12:03.511 --> 00:12:08.231 is really high yeah i did some googling before the show um just for people who 00:12:08.231 --> 00:12:12.411 are thinking what on earth are they going on about why is it better for people 00:12:12.411 --> 00:12:13.851 to pull stuff they've already paid. 00:12:14.031 --> 00:12:18.611 So basically, if you take stuff off the streaming service, you avoid the residual 00:12:18.611 --> 00:12:22.971 payments and licensing fees that come with this content. And therefore... 00:12:23.905 --> 00:12:26.865 You know through the accounts that can be better 00:12:26.865 --> 00:12:30.025 and i just yeah i find it 00:12:30.025 --> 00:12:32.905 you know it's just a real shame and it's 00:12:32.905 --> 00:12:35.765 a thing we are kind of have to deal with in 00:12:35.765 --> 00:12:39.165 this digital media era yeah and 00:12:39.165 --> 00:12:43.445 it's part of what people were nervous about initially 00:12:43.445 --> 00:12:46.665 right like i think you and i've had the conversation 00:12:46.665 --> 00:12:49.465 about uh rights and you know 00:12:49.465 --> 00:12:52.725 this is only really rental like you're not necessarily 00:12:52.725 --> 00:12:55.465 getting you know you don't just because you pay for 00:12:55.465 --> 00:12:58.405 netflix every month doesn't mean you own a copy of 00:12:58.405 --> 00:13:01.225 stranger things to watch whenever you want well quite the 00:13:01.225 --> 00:13:04.005 opposite right and oh but you can 00:13:04.005 --> 00:13:06.905 download it yes you can but those are i think every 00:13:06.905 --> 00:13:10.865 platform has a time bomb in those like you can download the 00:13:10.865 --> 00:13:14.385 you know you can download an episode of stranger things for example but. 00:13:14.385 --> 00:13:17.525 After a certain amount of time that download doesn't work or it 00:13:17.525 --> 00:13:20.425 expires or it doesn't show up you know like so or 00:13:20.425 --> 00:13:23.205 you change phone and right and now it's gone 00:13:23.205 --> 00:13:25.865 you know um yeah like there's because i know 00:13:25.865 --> 00:13:28.885 i've downloaded things like i've downloaded episodes of 00:13:28.885 --> 00:13:31.745 things or movies of you know from from a 00:13:31.745 --> 00:13:34.345 device like to my ipad when i'm traveling like so i can 00:13:34.345 --> 00:13:38.085 watch something on the plane if the plane doesn't have a movie for me and don 00:13:38.085 --> 00:13:40.845 it legitimately and then gone like a couple weeks later and 00:13:40.845 --> 00:13:43.765 been like oh yeah i didn't watch that episode of that show and then hit play 00:13:43.765 --> 00:13:48.465 and it says no you can't it's never gonna work just delete the file you know 00:13:48.465 --> 00:13:52.845 so like those things happen too and like in that case i understand it but it's 00:13:52.845 --> 00:13:56.065 not like oh i've downloaded everything to my ipad so i have a copy of it forever 00:13:56.065 --> 00:14:00.425 is not that's not the solution it isn't yeah so, 00:14:00.945 --> 00:14:04.945 how do we i was gonna say fix this i'm not sure we can fix it but what. 00:14:06.225 --> 00:14:11.645 What i would love to but are there because let's be honest i don't you don't 00:14:11.645 --> 00:14:16.445 want to go back to buying huge box sets of every show you want to watch now um. 00:14:17.243 --> 00:14:20.383 I just don't i feel very emotionally different about 00:14:20.383 --> 00:14:23.643 books and in some cases music than i 00:14:23.643 --> 00:14:26.363 do about tv shows one because i just watch a 00:14:26.363 --> 00:14:29.563 lot of do you know what i mean it just feels different the way 00:14:29.563 --> 00:14:32.403 we treat tv is different to the way we treat those other things well 00:14:32.403 --> 00:14:36.303 and it's it's the preservation of it right like i don't necessarily need like 00:14:36.303 --> 00:14:39.123 because i watched a tv show i 00:14:39.123 --> 00:14:41.823 don't necessarily need a copy of that to pull off the 00:14:41.823 --> 00:14:44.963 shelf and sit down with whenever i want to there are some that i do but 00:14:44.963 --> 00:14:48.323 the the the threshold for that is a lot higher it's 00:14:48.323 --> 00:14:51.463 partly for cost partly for the time investment because sitting down 00:14:51.463 --> 00:14:54.203 and listening to an album for an hour for an hour and a half is a 00:14:54.203 --> 00:14:57.423 very different experience from a season of a show yeah 00:14:57.423 --> 00:15:00.843 you know that's an eight ten plus hour experience 00:15:00.843 --> 00:15:03.743 depending on you know where you live and 00:15:03.743 --> 00:15:07.923 how long seasons are and also there's a re-watch and 00:15:07.923 --> 00:15:11.043 re-listen value that's different you listen to an album many many 00:15:11.043 --> 00:15:14.283 times they're not many seasons with the exception of 00:15:14.283 --> 00:15:17.563 you guessed it the west wing that i go back 00:15:17.563 --> 00:15:20.603 and watch multiple times i know i know 00:15:20.603 --> 00:15:23.563 it's i'm terrible but do you see what i mean so like 00:15:23.563 --> 00:15:26.723 i mean i have them too but there's yeah but there's like a handful and even. 00:15:26.723 --> 00:15:29.783 Even when it was very common uh i 00:15:29.783 --> 00:15:33.203 still didn't buy a lot of of physical media of 00:15:33.203 --> 00:15:36.603 tv shows it's a very big commitment yeah partly 00:15:36.603 --> 00:15:41.163 for space and partly because like i don't necessarily need to sit down and watch 00:15:41.163 --> 00:15:45.623 that entire series again right so i have like a handful of them that i have 00:15:45.623 --> 00:15:51.283 kept that they're in they're in the the uh closet behind me right there's like 00:15:51.283 --> 00:15:56.023 a stack of dvds back there but most of them are not television shows or anything like that so yeah so. 00:15:57.196 --> 00:16:01.816 You've carefully dodged the question of how do we solve this? 00:16:02.736 --> 00:16:08.056 Well, I think first is going and buying them, like making it worth it for Best 00:16:08.056 --> 00:16:10.496 Buy and Target and whoever else. 00:16:10.756 --> 00:16:14.956 But do we really want to go back to that? For those DVD sections not to go away. 00:16:15.416 --> 00:16:20.996 Or at least go to iTunes or Amazon Prime and buy a season of a TV show digitally 00:16:20.996 --> 00:16:22.676 to prove that there's a market for it. 00:16:22.756 --> 00:16:26.396 Because the whole reason they're doing this is financially driven. so 00:16:26.396 --> 00:16:30.376 if it becomes financially successful for 00:16:30.376 --> 00:16:33.196 somebody to release it in 00:16:33.196 --> 00:16:37.096 a way that you can purchase a digital copy then that 00:16:37.096 --> 00:16:40.616 might be i have to like that's the first thing i can think of is like but why 00:16:40.616 --> 00:16:44.316 we made a lot of money putting this out that way so here you go i'm just really 00:16:44.316 --> 00:16:51.696 not convinced in any way that i want to go back to doing that for that kind 00:16:51.696 --> 00:16:53.416 of yeah i'm not well Well, 00:16:53.576 --> 00:16:58.096 I'm not 100% either, but like at least having my own digital copy that I can, 00:16:58.096 --> 00:17:03.836 that I can back up and I can have sitting on my hard drive forever. 00:17:03.836 --> 00:17:09.076 I know I downloaded it and it won't expire and I can use that forever is better 00:17:09.076 --> 00:17:15.296 than having to go build another closet so that I have a place to put all of the physical discs. 00:17:16.796 --> 00:17:21.216 I think that's a huge part of it and sending feedback. 00:17:21.416 --> 00:17:24.916 Like I would buy. i would buy a dvd 00:17:24.916 --> 00:17:27.596 with all the episodes willow on it if he would sell it to me 00:17:27.596 --> 00:17:30.476 like you know it just feels going very back 00:17:30.476 --> 00:17:34.196 to the future it does absolutely but 00:17:34.196 --> 00:17:37.576 i don't know how else to solve it except by making it a 00:17:37.576 --> 00:17:40.656 good financial decision so that then it's the 00:17:40.656 --> 00:17:43.356 good financial decision is made like i don't 00:17:43.356 --> 00:17:48.976 know how else to make this make it something that people in in the who sit in 00:17:48.976 --> 00:17:53.256 those offices understand by the way you can stream back to the future it's on 00:17:53.256 --> 00:17:58.536 now in the uk it's on now tv if you have the right subscription to that awesome 00:17:58.536 --> 00:18:01.256 uh you can buy it on amazon prime video as well, 00:18:02.381 --> 00:18:05.121 an apple just fyi i'm just 00:18:05.121 --> 00:18:08.641 saying uh it used 00:18:08.641 --> 00:18:11.401 to be you see it used to be on netflix but that's now 00:18:11.401 --> 00:18:14.181 gone anyway i digress because because i 00:18:14.181 --> 00:18:18.301 have been fascinated about this topic i was really glad you wanted to chat about 00:18:18.301 --> 00:18:27.541 it ever since streaming has grown and grown and grown because this is not this 00:18:27.541 --> 00:18:33.261 is only going to become a more acute issue absolutely as more and more and more people. 00:18:34.421 --> 00:18:41.161 Don't own stuff right don't own right but also as more as more things become 00:18:41.161 --> 00:18:45.681 available online and then stop being available online exactly because that's 00:18:45.681 --> 00:18:46.841 only going to exacerbate as well. 00:18:47.761 --> 00:18:51.821 Um and i you can't 00:18:51.821 --> 00:18:54.541 just tell people that for the good of humanity you can't tell 00:18:54.541 --> 00:18:57.401 these corporations is that for the good of humanity you have 00:18:57.401 --> 00:19:00.921 to keep willow on disney plus right 00:19:00.921 --> 00:19:03.661 but especially disney plus because they 00:19:03.661 --> 00:19:06.621 were the ones that unveiled their service by saying the disney vault is open because 00:19:06.621 --> 00:19:10.541 they were like the originators of this game of 00:19:10.541 --> 00:19:13.521 you know it's only out in theaters every so 00:19:13.521 --> 00:19:16.301 many years and you know we've put this out on 00:19:16.301 --> 00:19:19.001 vhs and then it's gonna go away forever so you 00:19:19.001 --> 00:19:22.121 better buy it now and how it was like you 00:19:22.121 --> 00:19:24.921 can do all of these things forever you know in 00:19:24.921 --> 00:19:27.901 the number of people on the internet like i will happily 00:19:27.901 --> 00:19:30.781 pay disney ten dollars a month to not have to 00:19:30.781 --> 00:19:34.281 switch discs out of the dvd player every 00:19:34.281 --> 00:19:37.061 time my kid alternates between the lion king and frozen or whatever 00:19:37.061 --> 00:19:39.881 and like having you know that was one 00:19:39.881 --> 00:19:43.001 of the things that they said was like a huge advantage to them 00:19:43.001 --> 00:19:45.701 getting into the streaming game it was like 00:19:45.701 --> 00:19:49.481 none of this is a problem anymore you can always watch all 00:19:49.481 --> 00:19:52.461 of the stuff until you can't and 00:19:52.461 --> 00:19:56.141 they made a point of like having the classics or the Steamboat Willie right 00:19:56.141 --> 00:20:00.201 right from the you know literally from the beginning of Disney yeah all the 00:20:00.201 --> 00:20:04.641 stuff that people used to have to go buy on VHS until Disney decided the DVD 00:20:04.641 --> 00:20:08.221 was the thing and then they put out the DVD and then you know so on and so on 00:20:08.221 --> 00:20:09.861 yeah you know content from. 00:20:10.841 --> 00:20:14.781 1928 Steamboat Willie Mickey Steamroller 1934 that 00:20:14.781 --> 00:20:21.801 stuff was meant to be there as you say to open the disney vault and now okay 00:20:21.801 --> 00:20:26.861 some of that heritage stuff is there but yeah i can still watch sleeping beauty 00:20:26.861 --> 00:20:34.201 from i can't remember how long ago and i can't watch willow from last year right right, 00:20:35.941 --> 00:20:39.801 actually i wasn't going to talk about this but uh well with slight diversion 00:20:39.801 --> 00:20:43.541 for two minutes while we're on disney plus how pissed are you that we don't 00:20:43.541 --> 00:20:44.721 get season two of she hulk. 00:20:46.221 --> 00:20:50.241 Unbelievably It was one of my favorites Which is with any people that likes 00:20:50.241 --> 00:20:56.581 it Like I can't, that's the thing that Baffles me is I haven't talked to anybody 00:20:56.581 --> 00:20:58.101 That went yeah I watched it, it was fine. 00:20:59.222 --> 00:21:03.422 Every person that I, and I understand, to quote friend of the show, 00:21:03.542 --> 00:21:06.602 John Martellaro. Yes. The plural of anecdote is not data. 00:21:07.222 --> 00:21:12.582 I strongly disagree. I've talked to lots of people about She-Hulk. 00:21:12.782 --> 00:21:18.742 I had a Marvel podcast where we talked about She-Hulk. We talked about She-Hulk and we loved it. 00:21:19.022 --> 00:21:23.002 And the vibe of it was very similar to the comic book. 00:21:23.142 --> 00:21:26.462 In the comic book, She-Hulk has walked outside of the panel or like picked up 00:21:26.462 --> 00:21:27.882 a speech balloon and taken off with it. 00:21:28.342 --> 00:21:31.742 Very much the same vibe in the show which is a thing a lot of people were worried 00:21:31.742 --> 00:21:37.022 about like She-Hulk is kind of a special character in that way because the comic 00:21:37.022 --> 00:21:45.702 book format was never really the limitation in telling a story for her and the show was fantastic and. 00:21:46.502 --> 00:21:49.722 So well done, told a story moved right along, 00:21:49.922 --> 00:21:52.882 didn't suffer from that whole like yeah, you know, 00:21:52.982 --> 00:21:55.982 they could have cut an episode here and there and really moved things along like 00:21:55.982 --> 00:21:59.302 the plot hustled at a reasonable pace even if 00:21:59.302 --> 00:22:02.082 you didn't like what was happening it's not like it was boring it wasn't like 00:22:02.082 --> 00:22:06.142 everybody sat around and talked for half an hour and i never got you know it 00:22:06.142 --> 00:22:09.702 was nothing changed by the end of the episode so it's one of the ones that i 00:22:09.702 --> 00:22:15.342 can't believe isn't gonna continue for all of those reasons everyone i talked 00:22:15.342 --> 00:22:19.502 to was like that was a great show i guess even if it's not for my taste it was 00:22:19.502 --> 00:22:21.722 well made it was really nice i liked how 00:22:21.762 --> 00:22:26.062 they did it i liked you know i liked how they they flipped the the format a 00:22:26.062 --> 00:22:28.802 little bit whatever it was like everybody that i talked to found something to 00:22:28.802 --> 00:22:29.662 appreciate about that show. 00:22:31.262 --> 00:22:34.382 Sigh a shame but i guess that is 00:22:34.382 --> 00:22:37.662 a more old school tv studio move 00:22:37.662 --> 00:22:40.622 right saying for whatever 00:22:40.622 --> 00:22:43.582 reason people not enough people watched 00:22:43.582 --> 00:22:46.762 it liked it whatever that that stuff 00:22:46.762 --> 00:22:50.742 used to happen that is you know you and I might be disappointed yeah 00:22:50.742 --> 00:22:53.362 I'll just have to read more She-Hulk comics well I know 00:22:53.362 --> 00:22:55.942 a lot of people will be disappointed that's the thing that sort of confuses 00:22:55.942 --> 00:23:00.282 me about it and you know they're borrowing from from Netflix who went oh we 00:23:00.282 --> 00:23:03.562 made chaos and everybody talked about chaos when we put it out and now we're 00:23:03.562 --> 00:23:07.082 not going to make any more even though it was fantastic but as I say that's 00:23:07.082 --> 00:23:12.462 a much more conventional yes tv studio decision oh sure 00:23:12.582 --> 00:23:17.162 yeah it's very different it's a different thing like you can still watch the 00:23:17.162 --> 00:23:24.822 bit of she hulk that was there yeah for now for now well for now but you can 00:23:24.822 --> 00:23:27.182 currently watch that and. 00:23:27.939 --> 00:23:34.299 Yeah yeah but yeah i mean for now it's right because who knows what happens. 00:23:34.819 --> 00:23:37.579 In the future with any if they decide it wasn't a good enough 00:23:37.579 --> 00:23:40.679 show do they hoik that yeah and it's 00:23:40.679 --> 00:23:43.499 and i mean netflix has been at this for a while with these 00:23:43.499 --> 00:23:46.639 really sort of confusing decisions and part of that is because there 00:23:46.639 --> 00:23:49.799 is no nielsen for online viewing there's like 00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:52.779 people making the best guess that they can and 00:23:52.779 --> 00:23:55.679 there's not there's there's not 00:23:55.679 --> 00:23:58.879 another parameter around it all you get is netflix saying you 00:23:58.879 --> 00:24:02.059 know putting out a press release it says this was our most successful show ever or 00:24:02.059 --> 00:24:05.959 whatever and there's not necessarily the 00:24:05.959 --> 00:24:08.759 the gauge for that that everyone has to live by 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:11.559 like they used to with broadcast television i kind of 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:15.159 disagree with you on that actually because the streaming 00:24:15.159 --> 00:24:17.979 companies have much more data that goes well beyond the 00:24:17.979 --> 00:24:20.999 nielsen rating yes well the company does 00:24:20.999 --> 00:24:23.779 but they don't share like correct the whole point of 00:24:23.779 --> 00:24:26.559 Nielsen is telling everybody this is the number one show okay 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:29.299 I see your point and or you know this is like 00:24:29.299 --> 00:24:32.219 so many people watched it this this many share you know 00:24:32.219 --> 00:24:35.379 the the share of the show like one in every three televisions was 00:24:35.379 --> 00:24:38.939 watching that show at that time whatever yeah yeah and we don't we don't have 00:24:38.939 --> 00:24:45.259 that anymore and so that's the part that that is sort of frustrating is you 00:24:45.259 --> 00:24:49.819 know I can't look at it and go this many squillions of people watched She-Hulk 00:24:49.819 --> 00:24:53.619 and it's way more squillions of people then watched 00:24:54.039 --> 00:24:58.319 What If, so why is She-Hulk cancelled and I'm sure we're going to get another 00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:00.839 season of What If you know, like. 00:25:02.339 --> 00:25:05.659 There's not a way to sort of let anybody independently look at that and go I 00:25:05.659 --> 00:25:06.779 don't know, that doesn't make sense 00:25:07.219 --> 00:25:12.319 so yeah, they know, they know exactly to the second, to the millisecond how many, 00:25:12.499 --> 00:25:16.739 which episodes what was watched most, what was re-watched like I watched it 00:25:16.739 --> 00:25:18.099 two or three times and I think She-Hulk, 00:25:18.239 --> 00:25:21.179 because we watched it twice i watched it twice before we recorded and 00:25:21.179 --> 00:25:23.839 then i think when we were done i went back through again and just enjoyed the whole 00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:26.979 thing and it was fun and 00:25:26.979 --> 00:25:29.859 i'm very sad that this it's it's not getting 00:25:29.859 --> 00:25:33.959 more because it was great yeah um apple 00:25:33.959 --> 00:25:36.939 tv plus is a very big one for cutting shows 00:25:36.939 --> 00:25:39.999 after a season they're absolutely ruthless oh they 00:25:39.999 --> 00:25:44.539 are yes we've seen that with quite a few um and 00:25:44.539 --> 00:25:47.719 netflix i would say is the most guilty of reshuffling 00:25:47.719 --> 00:25:51.399 its catalog canceling things that it's used to license oh 00:25:51.399 --> 00:25:54.959 that was on netflix oh suddenly it's not whether i 00:25:54.959 --> 00:25:58.459 think friends that happened in the u.s didn't it yeah um 00:25:58.459 --> 00:26:02.399 i think back to the future when i was just looking for it that has been wonderful 00:26:02.399 --> 00:26:08.059 netflix and disappeared yeah that that's like teamed up with disney and made 00:26:08.059 --> 00:26:16.679 um uh would they It was Daredevil and The Punisher and Jessica Jones and Iron Fist. 00:26:18.082 --> 00:26:22.782 They should have canceled iron fist and cancel um but now 00:26:22.782 --> 00:26:25.702 like those are all on disney plus like they've they've moved those over 00:26:25.702 --> 00:26:28.522 and it's turned into a thing but there was a stretch where you couldn't see 00:26:28.522 --> 00:26:31.342 them at all anywhere so yeah that kind 00:26:31.342 --> 00:26:34.442 of yeah so there is there are these 00:26:34.442 --> 00:26:40.562 whole different bits of um the digital media landscape that we are having to 00:26:40.562 --> 00:26:44.942 navigate of oh i bought this subscription for this show and now it's gone or 00:26:44.942 --> 00:26:49.262 i want to watch this movie and now it's gone from x platform do i have to really 00:26:49.262 --> 00:26:52.442 start on a new platform that i'm not that interested in right, 00:26:53.442 --> 00:27:01.482 etc etc etc and i i don't think we've never as consumers are used to navigating it although, 00:27:02.662 --> 00:27:05.402 as i understand you know looking as i 00:27:05.402 --> 00:27:08.622 do read some research and stuff on this i believe how 00:27:08.622 --> 00:27:14.442 can i put this delicately viewers who are younger than you and i are better 00:27:14.442 --> 00:27:18.662 at doing that i'm buying this for a month and canceling it i'm buying oh yeah 00:27:18.662 --> 00:27:23.862 yeah i think that is a much more way that they process things so they're obviously 00:27:23.862 --> 00:27:26.302 a bit better than that and that's kind of interesting, 00:27:27.162 --> 00:27:32.162 yeah and that's obviously applies to the sort of shows and movies bouncing from. 00:27:33.702 --> 00:27:39.202 Platforms not right disappearing forever yeah oh absolutely and yeah i think 00:27:39.202 --> 00:27:44.622 i think a certain part of why some of the platforms have the numbers that they 00:27:44.622 --> 00:27:46.122 have and report them as inertia, 00:27:46.822 --> 00:27:50.662 i signed up and forgot you know oh gym membership 00:27:50.662 --> 00:27:53.802 kind of a thing but also like keeping them 00:27:53.802 --> 00:27:56.582 you're actively maintaining like oh i was watching 00:27:56.582 --> 00:27:59.302 this and now it's gone so i have to cancel that one and i'm gonna go 00:27:59.302 --> 00:28:02.482 sign up for this one like that's a lot of time a lot of people don't 00:28:02.482 --> 00:28:05.662 have and might just go you know the thing i watch most is 00:28:05.662 --> 00:28:08.362 thursday night football so i'm 00:28:08.362 --> 00:28:11.122 gonna i'm gonna keep amazon prime and that's it you know 00:28:11.122 --> 00:28:13.962 and i have it because i use the other service and they 00:28:13.962 --> 00:28:16.662 give me the tv part for free you know i 00:28:16.662 --> 00:28:20.262 could care less about lord of the rings but i like football so that's the one 00:28:20.262 --> 00:28:27.902 i have the end you know yeah uh you know i'm thinking amazon prime video prime 00:28:27.902 --> 00:28:35.842 video uh now is the home of james bond uh-huh in theory and commercials and commercials. 00:28:36.782 --> 00:28:40.382 But, you know, in theory, they could, they won't, but they could, 00:28:40.502 --> 00:28:42.322 in theory, decide to pull James Bond. 00:28:43.082 --> 00:28:46.262 And you can't actually go back and watch James Bond movies. Now, 00:28:46.362 --> 00:28:48.122 I mean, that isn't going to happen as an example. 00:28:48.802 --> 00:28:54.002 Right. Or nobody liked Quantum of Solace, so we're just going to take it off. 00:28:54.820 --> 00:28:57.580 Right or no one likes yeah timothy dalton is 00:28:57.580 --> 00:29:00.260 the least popular bond yeah so we're gonna 00:29:00.260 --> 00:29:04.140 just act like those don't exist we're just gonna memory hole that stack of movies 00:29:04.140 --> 00:29:08.300 and then you can watch the rest of them yeah but i you know we touched on it 00:29:08.300 --> 00:29:11.540 before but i feel like during this conversation we're both convinced this is 00:29:11.540 --> 00:29:15.200 a problem that's gonna get worse not better absolutely because at some point 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:19.020 friends is gonna evaporate the office is gonna evaporate and there will be, 00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:27.000 and oh I think it could it could make the right amount of financial decision 00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:28.800 to somebody who has absolutely. 00:29:29.800 --> 00:29:36.140 100% tone deafness when it comes to like this is a beloved property people found 00:29:36.140 --> 00:29:41.060 it there are so many more people watching it now because they found it through somebody else whatever, 00:29:41.660 --> 00:29:47.680 and it could go away I could see it happening I could see it I could see somebody who has no idea, 00:29:48.740 --> 00:29:53.140 how impactful that decision would be culturally being 00:29:53.140 --> 00:29:55.980 somebody that goes you know we'll just we'll 00:29:55.980 --> 00:29:59.200 just pull it and then finding out you know 00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:01.860 after the fact and then going oh wait wait wait 00:30:01.860 --> 00:30:06.560 we'll put it back we'll put it back well when that happens you'll be back on 00:30:06.560 --> 00:30:11.640 this show it's a bit to moan about it um i will where else can people keep up 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:16.040 with you uh you can occasionally find me over on The Incomparable where I talk 00:30:16.040 --> 00:30:19.900 about other sorts of pop culture things like TV shows or movies that have not 00:30:19.900 --> 00:30:21.440 been removed from streaming. 00:30:23.260 --> 00:30:26.880 So, in fact, there's some Halloween things coming up over there. 00:30:27.020 --> 00:30:29.160 You can listen to me talk about Deadpool. 00:30:29.760 --> 00:30:33.940 We did the two Deadpool films before The Third Woman came out this summer. 00:30:34.180 --> 00:30:36.980 So, those were really fun conversations. 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