WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:09.840 Music. 00:00:09.689 --> 00:00:13.649 And welcome to the edition podcast yes i am 00:00:13.649 --> 00:00:16.569 back it's been a little you 00:00:16.569 --> 00:00:20.929 know a little break a little refresher well i sorted out some tech and stuff 00:00:20.929 --> 00:00:23.969 like that that i don't want to bore you with but we're here we're back we should 00:00:23.969 --> 00:00:29.149 be exactly where you last left us and there's only one person as is the rules 00:00:29.149 --> 00:00:33.789 to restart or start a podcast with and that is kelly gamont hello, 00:00:34.549 --> 00:00:37.589 hello charlotte i'm thrilled to be back again i'm so 00:00:37.589 --> 00:00:40.249 thrilled to have you back i'm so thrilled to be back podcasting here at the 00:00:40.249 --> 00:00:43.969 edition it's uh obviously i always love doing the show i hope listeners love 00:00:43.969 --> 00:00:48.929 it so here we are and well because it's been a bit of time we thought we'd um 00:00:48.929 --> 00:00:55.409 do a little bit of a broad view type show because there's been a lot to discuss the last few weeks, 00:00:55.989 --> 00:00:58.769 since there was an edition podcast couple of months i guess it 00:00:58.769 --> 00:01:01.929 is so i don't quite know where we begin i guess 00:01:01.929 --> 00:01:04.869 because it's you and i we have to start with john stewart 00:01:04.869 --> 00:01:07.709 um chuck and i obviously see 00:01:07.709 --> 00:01:11.089 on tv plus talk discussed when this route first erupted 00:01:11.089 --> 00:01:14.809 john stewart quitting apple there was 00:01:14.809 --> 00:01:17.529 little murmurs and reporting at the time that he was crossed because 00:01:17.529 --> 00:01:21.109 basically apple had said you can and can't talk about this stuff and to these 00:01:21.109 --> 00:01:25.469 people yeah they basically said please don't talk about ai maybe don't talk 00:01:25.469 --> 00:01:31.909 about china don't talk to um like regulators basically uh lena khan isn't it 00:01:31.909 --> 00:01:36.749 the head of the ftc over in the states they didn't want her them to talk to her. 00:01:37.549 --> 00:01:40.729 So all this happened everyone was like okay i 00:01:40.729 --> 00:01:43.429 had to say i think we disagree on this i never thought the 00:01:43.429 --> 00:01:46.909 john stewart show on apple or 00:01:46.909 --> 00:01:50.369 and i didn't really ever get into the podcast was that good i think he forgot 00:01:50.369 --> 00:01:56.849 about the whole being funny thing he got very serious yeah i think he i think 00:01:56.849 --> 00:02:03.649 he wanted to though i think he kind of i think he wanted to be taken more seriously yep and uh. 00:02:05.818 --> 00:02:10.198 And I think I think he wanted to set out to be taken seriously and be taken 00:02:10.198 --> 00:02:15.358 seriously, where with The Daily Show, he did not set out to be taken seriously and yet was. 00:02:15.738 --> 00:02:21.798 Yeah, and it was on Comedy Central, like, yeah, like, yeah, that's a good like 00:02:21.798 --> 00:02:23.538 you've managed expectations right there. 00:02:23.598 --> 00:02:27.258 It's on Comedy Central, you know, in his infamous CNN interview, 00:02:27.418 --> 00:02:30.378 you know, he said the show that's on before mine is puppets that make prank phone calls. 00:02:30.378 --> 00:02:38.058 So i think he i think this time he wanted to set out to be serious and be serious and. 00:02:39.118 --> 00:02:42.138 And while i appreciated it and 00:02:42.138 --> 00:02:44.898 i i liked the approach of like we're going to talk about 00:02:44.898 --> 00:02:48.198 one thing we're going to dig real deep on it i never i 00:02:48.198 --> 00:02:51.698 never came away from that with 00:02:51.698 --> 00:02:55.098 sort of the the satisfaction of of 00:02:55.098 --> 00:02:57.918 having watched john stewart for a period of time 00:02:57.918 --> 00:03:00.838 like yeah yeah i agree with the daily show so so 00:03:00.838 --> 00:03:03.698 the reason we're discussing this is not because you 00:03:03.698 --> 00:03:07.518 and I often text about this stuff but because um 00:03:07.518 --> 00:03:11.458 he now back on the daily show until November 00:03:11.458 --> 00:03:14.338 apparently I'll place a bet with you now he 00:03:14.338 --> 00:03:18.598 ain't leaving in November I was gonna say that comes with an asterisk of uh 00:03:18.598 --> 00:03:26.318 with an option to renew probably yeah that's not happening anyway um he did 00:03:26.318 --> 00:03:33.638 get to interview interview Lina Khan and he did get to talk about AI. 00:03:34.158 --> 00:03:40.578 He did a whole monologue on AI at the beginning of a show last week when you 00:03:40.578 --> 00:03:44.478 listened to this and he did get to do that interview and he. 00:03:45.536 --> 00:03:48.836 During the course of that interview he mentioned 00:03:48.836 --> 00:03:51.696 that apple hadn't wanted him to do the interview when he 00:03:51.696 --> 00:03:54.596 was there and hadn't wanted him to talk about ai 00:03:54.596 --> 00:03:57.336 and as i said i i 00:03:57.336 --> 00:03:59.956 mentioned this with chuck we talked about it a while ago when it 00:03:59.956 --> 00:04:03.016 first happened and my view hasn't particularly changed 00:04:03.016 --> 00:04:06.176 my view is kind of you're taking apple's money 00:04:06.176 --> 00:04:08.876 you kind of know what you're 00:04:08.876 --> 00:04:16.556 getting into to i feel like yeah like it should have been clear from the get-go 00:04:16.556 --> 00:04:21.816 that they were going to have a vested interest in what he talked about right 00:04:21.816 --> 00:04:26.116 regardless of regardless of what it was regardless of how he wanted to approach 00:04:26.116 --> 00:04:27.716 it regardless of what it was he wanted to say, 00:04:28.296 --> 00:04:32.876 he he should have he should have known you know if he was going to talk about 00:04:32.876 --> 00:04:37.636 how great something google is doing is like you know for example that may not 00:04:37.636 --> 00:04:41.776 go over more problematic how how difficult China is when Tim Cook conducts a 00:04:41.776 --> 00:04:44.936 very difficult diplomatic mission to keep the China stuff on side, 00:04:44.956 --> 00:04:46.536 on how dangerous AI is when Apple, 00:04:46.596 --> 00:04:50.056 we know, is going to make some moves in AI, etc., etc., etc. 00:04:50.716 --> 00:04:54.136 When you're talking to the head of the Federal Trade Commission, 00:04:54.216 --> 00:04:58.236 when one of the companies in their sights, as we have now seen, is Apple. 00:04:59.996 --> 00:05:02.016 And I wrote about this in a newsletter 00:05:02.016 --> 00:05:06.916 just recently because to me it also underlined a real big problem. 00:05:06.916 --> 00:05:14.136 So my view on Jon Stewart and Apple is sort of in opposition to my sort of journalistic 00:05:14.136 --> 00:05:17.816 instincts of like, tell the truth, shine a light, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 00:05:18.616 --> 00:05:27.796 And so what that underlined to me is actually that there is a clash and it's 00:05:27.796 --> 00:05:34.416 only going to get more difficult to navigate when more tech companies become media companies. 00:05:34.776 --> 00:05:37.656 Because this is what it's brought down to. So Jon Stewart, OK, 00:05:37.756 --> 00:05:41.136 he was on Comedy Central, but he's not on a major network where they have these 00:05:41.136 --> 00:05:42.116 journalistic standards. 00:05:42.956 --> 00:05:46.936 He's making content for a tech company. And that's a very different game. 00:05:47.596 --> 00:05:54.256 Yeah. And I think I think there's probably like I feel like everyone on all 00:05:54.256 --> 00:05:56.336 sides of that equation should have known what they were in for. 00:05:56.336 --> 00:06:01.556 When they decided to make this deal, when somebody decided to, 00:06:01.656 --> 00:06:08.096 however it started, whoever made the initial phone call to get this deal rolling. 00:06:08.376 --> 00:06:16.196 And then additionally, whoever returned that call on the other side to have 00:06:16.196 --> 00:06:18.396 the conversation, to see what we could do to make all. 00:06:20.321 --> 00:06:22.261 You should have known what you were getting with Jon Stewart, 00:06:22.401 --> 00:06:23.521 who's very equal opportunity. 00:06:23.761 --> 00:06:26.901 He doesn't care who you are. If you're doing something he thinks is dumb or 00:06:26.901 --> 00:06:30.101 easy to make fun of, he's going to call it out and make fun of it. 00:06:31.041 --> 00:06:34.901 And shine a light where he has determined it needs to be shining. 00:06:35.221 --> 00:06:37.981 And that's never not been the case. 00:06:38.121 --> 00:06:42.081 It doesn't matter what your political leanings are, what your beliefs are. 00:06:42.141 --> 00:06:45.921 If you're doing something dumb and Jon Stewart sees fit to call it out, 00:06:45.961 --> 00:06:46.761 he's going to call it out. 00:06:46.861 --> 00:06:51.621 Let's take it. Or not or what. But I think Apple should have known that going 00:06:51.621 --> 00:06:55.581 in because all his time on The Daily Show, that's exactly what it was. 00:06:55.661 --> 00:06:59.541 It was very equal opportunity. But let's take a step back because frankly, 00:06:59.641 --> 00:07:02.221 I've written and spoken too much about Jon Stewart recently. 00:07:02.421 --> 00:07:08.401 So let's take a step back a bit because you've got the obvious ones in this 00:07:08.401 --> 00:07:12.721 game are Apple and Amazon, who are tech companies. 00:07:13.181 --> 00:07:17.081 Yes. Who their main job is not to produce content. 00:07:17.081 --> 00:07:20.321 Their main job is to sell stuff sell things 00:07:20.321 --> 00:07:23.281 yes whether it's your books or your cleaning products 00:07:23.281 --> 00:07:26.561 on amazon or it's your latest macbook 00:07:26.561 --> 00:07:29.321 air that's what and apple care 00:07:29.321 --> 00:07:32.701 about right and amazon has um 00:07:32.701 --> 00:07:36.221 cloud storage now like they do you know aws storage 00:07:36.221 --> 00:07:39.581 which a lot of people use for a wide variety of things and 00:07:39.581 --> 00:07:42.881 i think sometimes people forget that that's 00:07:42.881 --> 00:07:45.901 also a piece of their business like if you're not necessarily maybe in 00:07:45.901 --> 00:07:48.721 my line of work like you may not come up against AWS in a 00:07:48.721 --> 00:07:52.201 lot of situations but there are a lot of people using Amazon 00:07:52.201 --> 00:07:55.101 cloud services for a lot of stuff that they're doing too and 00:07:55.101 --> 00:07:57.761 I think that and so they're going 00:07:57.761 --> 00:08:00.781 to end up in the same kind of position Apple's in I think at some point like 00:08:00.781 --> 00:08:04.761 it's just a question of time yeah first of all I agree with you on that also 00:08:04.761 --> 00:08:08.101 there's a just a silly stat isn't I can't remember off the top of my head but 00:08:08.101 --> 00:08:12.761 there's some stupid stat about if AWS was a separate company quite what how 00:08:12.761 --> 00:08:15.921 big it would be as its own it would be one of the biggest companies in the world just added by itself, 00:08:16.441 --> 00:08:22.221 and i mentioned that only to underline the point that these content creation businesses. 00:08:23.436 --> 00:08:29.816 Are a blip for the likes of amazon and apple and that's why the other stuff 00:08:29.816 --> 00:08:32.296 will always be prioritized and 00:08:32.296 --> 00:08:40.196 that's why if we can jump back again you there's never been like a good, 00:08:41.036 --> 00:08:43.756 news show on streaming services how about 00:08:43.756 --> 00:08:46.456 netflix has never done news really i think there's some some 00:08:46.456 --> 00:08:50.356 satirical comedy stuff over the years but like no 00:08:50.356 --> 00:08:53.096 like none of them 00:08:53.096 --> 00:08:56.196 have gone what we need to do is produce a daily new 00:08:56.196 --> 00:08:58.896 show that we put on the platform every single day a 00:08:58.896 --> 00:09:01.776 serious new show or a satirical comedy show 00:09:01.776 --> 00:09:05.036 that goes out once a week every day whatever none of 00:09:05.036 --> 00:09:07.916 them have ever had any interest in doing that not just 00:09:07.916 --> 00:09:11.236 because it's expensive and difficult but because 00:09:11.236 --> 00:09:14.436 it's more politically small p 00:09:14.436 --> 00:09:17.256 it's far more trouble than it's worth 00:09:17.256 --> 00:09:19.976 well i think also part of it 00:09:19.976 --> 00:09:23.336 is that like one of the great things 00:09:23.336 --> 00:09:28.776 about streaming is that it's uh on demand so you can sit down whenever you want 00:09:28.776 --> 00:09:33.196 and watch the thing you want to watch and it doesn't matter if that's when it's 00:09:33.196 --> 00:09:39.536 what we used to in the olden days call on tv like you know am i like it's wednesday 00:09:39.536 --> 00:09:43.176 night i clearly I really cannot make any plans because Lost is on. I need to watch Lost. 00:09:44.336 --> 00:09:47.716 That's the highlight of my week. And I can't do that if I'm not home. 00:09:48.036 --> 00:09:51.036 You know, like... So I think maybe... 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:55.439 Maybe it doesn't occur to any because you can't you like 00:09:55.439 --> 00:09:58.119 you're not gonna binge news a new show a 00:09:58.119 --> 00:10:01.539 daily news show from a month ago right like no so 00:10:01.539 --> 00:10:04.419 so all of it doesn't seem to add up you 00:10:04.419 --> 00:10:07.339 know regardless like whoever the streaming service is you know 00:10:07.339 --> 00:10:10.379 plus you're gonna offend someone who's then gonna unsubscribe to netflix 00:10:10.379 --> 00:10:14.239 or blah blah blah blah right so the point is before you even get to the actual 00:10:14.239 --> 00:10:18.699 news like the mechanics of having a show that comes out every day like is just 00:10:18.699 --> 00:10:23.579 not yeah it's more trouble than it's worth i actually listened to uh nilai patel 00:10:23.579 --> 00:10:27.719 talk to ezra klein on his podcast and they made a really interesting, 00:10:28.439 --> 00:10:32.139 point of like no one on youtube has ever done a new show either. 00:10:34.059 --> 00:10:37.399 Like no one can be bothered it's hard 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:40.159 work anyway that's all a 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:42.999 side point so many people do so many people do it already and put 00:10:42.999 --> 00:10:45.739 it online right so like most like a 00:10:45.739 --> 00:10:49.119 lot of programs on a lot of programs on at least 00:10:49.119 --> 00:10:52.499 here a lot of programs on what we call the news channels uh like 00:10:52.499 --> 00:10:55.339 cnn etc like you can watch all 00:10:55.339 --> 00:10:58.819 of those things online most of the time so um 00:10:58.819 --> 00:11:01.899 you know whether you sign in with your cable subscription is 00:11:01.899 --> 00:11:04.699 a separate conversation but like but like if you want 00:11:04.699 --> 00:11:07.559 news you can watch cnn live right now a 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:11.259 lot of local channels have a live streaming option when they they are doing 00:11:11.259 --> 00:11:17.219 their local news so even if you're not subscribing to a service like it's still 00:11:17.219 --> 00:11:21.579 entirely possible that you could be getting news you know locally and easily 00:11:21.579 --> 00:11:24.919 and so maybe they also just don't want to be in that market either like that's 00:11:24.919 --> 00:11:26.299 not a great market to be in now anyway, 00:11:27.019 --> 00:11:32.699 before you get to what it is you're reporting on right uh and there's all those 00:11:32.699 --> 00:11:36.959 kinds of issues um anyway it's just an interesting thing that news is the one 00:11:36.959 --> 00:11:40.239 thing that has always been a problem within streaming I've written about it 00:11:40.239 --> 00:11:43.599 before I'm sure I've written about it again anyway, 00:11:44.439 --> 00:11:45.159 Kelly come on, 00:11:46.708 --> 00:11:52.608 What do you think the most popular streaming show is? Most streamed show. 00:11:55.108 --> 00:12:01.408 Most streamed show. I'm going to guess it's a sport. No, it's not a sport. 00:12:01.588 --> 00:12:02.928 A sports show. Really? Okay. 00:12:04.668 --> 00:12:08.128 Because this is not about linear TV. This is like on a streaming service, 00:12:08.348 --> 00:12:09.388 what is the most streamed? 00:12:09.948 --> 00:12:13.928 Oh, I still really thought it was going to be like Amazon with Thursday Night 00:12:13.928 --> 00:12:15.128 Football or whatever it is they do. 00:12:17.788 --> 00:12:24.028 Gosh i'm gonna tell you i'm gonna put you out your misery according to lucas shaw at bloomberg it is, 00:12:25.808 --> 00:12:29.028 ncis obviously that doesn't 00:12:29.028 --> 00:12:34.708 surprise me no it didn't surprise me when i saw it has been watched 11.4 million 00:12:34.708 --> 00:12:41.848 hours a week since march 2021 so that's basically 11.4 million episodes as lucas 00:12:41.848 --> 00:12:48.828 points out slightly surprised it's not friends but yes yeah great for the office actually, 00:12:50.028 --> 00:12:58.168 i'm gonna tell you the top 10 okay ncis cocoa melon obviously gray's anatomy 00:12:58.168 --> 00:13:00.888 bluey obviously criminal minds 00:13:00.888 --> 00:13:06.068 suits stranger things the big bang theory gilmore girls and heartland, 00:13:07.962 --> 00:13:14.142 So people like crime. Yep. I think the data comes from Nielsen, by the way. Yeah. 00:13:15.742 --> 00:13:19.482 So more than half of the 100 most streamed shows were originals, 00:13:19.482 --> 00:13:21.682 according to this, by Lucas. 00:13:21.802 --> 00:13:27.222 So we've got things like the most popular originals were Manifest, 00:13:27.222 --> 00:13:31.262 Ozark, Virgin River, one that you and I like, which was Wednesday, 00:13:32.402 --> 00:13:36.442 The Crown, Bridgerton, Cobra Kai, Love is Blind, and You. 00:13:38.362 --> 00:13:42.342 They're all on Netflix. I'm going to give you another guess now. 00:13:43.182 --> 00:13:49.642 Of the popular originals that are not Netflix, what shows are they? 00:13:49.722 --> 00:13:56.642 So there's two very popular, the top, like the originals, top originals that are not Netflix shows. 00:13:57.722 --> 00:14:00.382 I was going to say Stranger Things, but that's not it. Yeah, 00:14:00.382 --> 00:14:04.182 that is very popular. That's one of the top originals. 00:14:04.582 --> 00:14:06.442 Top original shows, not from Netflix. 00:14:09.302 --> 00:14:12.782 Rings of Power, maybe, on Amazon Prime? No, if you don't get one of them, 00:14:12.842 --> 00:14:15.222 we probably have to end the show now and possibly our friendship. 00:14:18.222 --> 00:14:22.162 I mean, I want to say Ted Lasso, but I don't know. Of course, it's Ted Lasso. 00:14:23.002 --> 00:14:28.482 Really? Okay. Of course it is. The other most popular original not from Netflix is Reacher. 00:14:29.322 --> 00:14:33.442 Oh, Reacher. Okay. Which I enjoyed the first season of, and it was very good. 00:14:33.742 --> 00:14:37.582 So yeah, loads of really interesting data in this piece. from Lucas. 00:14:39.362 --> 00:14:42.982 There's been an ongoing theme, which I find really interesting in the streaming world. 00:14:43.062 --> 00:14:47.502 I can't remember the show, but it was one of them when Netflix first put out its data. Yeah. 00:14:48.265 --> 00:14:51.405 The most popular show was one that everyone was like, what the hell is this? 00:14:51.585 --> 00:14:52.525 I've never watched this. 00:14:53.045 --> 00:14:59.585 I think it just shows you how siloed our own sort of streaming experiences are, right? 00:15:00.225 --> 00:15:04.345 Right. And then like who, like talking to other people about it, right? 00:15:04.445 --> 00:15:09.345 Like, you know, a thing you used to hear a lot was a water cooler show, right? 00:15:09.405 --> 00:15:15.265 Everybody shows up at work the next morning and talks about whatever happened on the show last night. 00:15:15.265 --> 00:15:18.365 Like to go back to my example from the beginning lost uh you 00:15:18.365 --> 00:15:21.145 know every thursday everybody went to work was like oh my god did you 00:15:21.145 --> 00:15:24.105 see the thing with the plane and the flashback and whatever there's a 00:15:24.105 --> 00:15:27.725 famous every time there's a famous incident of me back in the day at university 00:15:27.725 --> 00:15:33.205 refusing to go out until i'd watch the final episode of the oc yes so you know 00:15:33.205 --> 00:15:39.925 yeah and you know like um people we know who uh you know can't go on twitter 00:15:39.925 --> 00:15:43.945 back when people used to go when when everyone I knew used to go on Twitter all the time. 00:15:44.345 --> 00:15:48.685 Like, I can't go on social media today until I've sat down and watched the episode 00:15:48.685 --> 00:15:51.225 of The Thing from last night because I don't want to get spoiled. 00:15:51.645 --> 00:15:54.525 You know, that kind of stuff. Like, there's some of that, but there's, 00:15:54.525 --> 00:15:57.405 like, so much of that has changed. 00:15:58.345 --> 00:16:01.505 And, you know, like, most people aren't going into an office anymore, 00:16:01.705 --> 00:16:03.925 for example, to stand around a water cooler and talk about a show. 00:16:04.845 --> 00:16:07.765 A lot of shows, you know, get dropped all at once. 00:16:07.785 --> 00:16:10.485 And so, like, you know, you can't really talk to anybody about it 00:16:10.485 --> 00:16:13.945 until everybody's watched all of it um those sorts 00:16:13.945 --> 00:16:16.725 of things like all of that stuff has kind of changed over time 00:16:16.725 --> 00:16:20.765 and made that mechanism less useful you 00:16:20.765 --> 00:16:26.245 know totally and obviously yeah a lot of what i cover at the edition why the 00:16:26.245 --> 00:16:29.605 edition is this is to cover that change in the world and you're absolutely right 00:16:29.605 --> 00:16:33.805 about a lot of the things you said that it just for me is just interesting because 00:16:33.805 --> 00:16:38.805 we all sort of assume every what the popular shows are like you said oh it's 00:16:38.805 --> 00:16:39.645 it's got to be Friends, right? 00:16:39.805 --> 00:16:43.045 I'd have probably had a punt that one of them, although it was kind of weird 00:16:43.045 --> 00:16:46.745 how Friends came into streaming and it's been moved a bunch of times and all of that stuff. 00:16:47.105 --> 00:16:49.985 I probably would have put a punt that Friends was up there. If the Big Bang 00:16:49.985 --> 00:16:51.865 Theory is up there, you'd have thought Friends is. Yeah. 00:16:52.524 --> 00:16:57.204 That potentially says more about our age, Kelly, than our astuteness at analyzing 00:16:57.204 --> 00:16:59.564 the media industry and streaming, but you know what I'm saying. 00:17:00.024 --> 00:17:06.444 But I just think there's this really siloed way of how we watch things that 00:17:06.444 --> 00:17:07.544 I find really interesting. 00:17:09.044 --> 00:17:11.884 Yeah and that's another part of it is like 00:17:11.884 --> 00:17:14.584 you sort of don't you don't know what other people are watching unless 00:17:14.584 --> 00:17:17.504 you actively go search that out right like 00:17:17.504 --> 00:17:21.244 go see what people are saying about Wednesday or uh Ted 00:17:21.244 --> 00:17:24.484 Lasso or NCIS you know or whatever um I 00:17:24.484 --> 00:17:27.144 think it I think it's really interesting that one of the most streamed is 00:17:27.144 --> 00:17:30.504 NCIS which is still a broadcast television show right but it's 00:17:30.504 --> 00:17:33.284 that's one of the things I think is interesting about it yeah 00:17:33.284 --> 00:17:36.244 but there's also like nine of them it's another one like csi where 00:17:36.244 --> 00:17:39.164 yeah i wasn't they've made a few different flavors of 00:17:39.164 --> 00:17:42.144 it and all of that so yeah i wasn't sure if they were talking about pure 00:17:42.144 --> 00:17:45.764 ncis or like ncis hawaii 00:17:45.764 --> 00:17:53.264 or yeah which is how i got into ncis but anyway yeah it's um it just i just 00:17:53.264 --> 00:17:56.124 find it interesting because i i probably would have picked it would be pretty 00:17:56.124 --> 00:17:59.684 popular although you maybe would would think that over time it had uh slightly 00:17:59.684 --> 00:18:04.064 run out of its uh slightly run out of you know steam. 00:18:05.544 --> 00:18:12.084 Yeah but anyway and i've also find this idea that actually a lot of the popular 00:18:12.084 --> 00:18:19.624 shows right are not really originals if you look at that top 10 what we talk so, 00:18:20.684 --> 00:18:24.664 well they're not exclusive to streaming like yeah they're not so they're not 00:18:24.664 --> 00:18:29.324 streamers originals the only thing in that top 10 that's a streamer original 00:18:29.324 --> 00:18:35.604 is stranger things everything else is you know obviously there's the kid stuff 00:18:35.604 --> 00:18:37.524 and then it was stuff from network tv, 00:18:38.544 --> 00:18:43.384 that people are watching again or more or whatever it was acquired by a streaming service, 00:18:44.204 --> 00:18:48.864 which is kind of you know it's kind of interesting we all we often hear the 00:18:48.864 --> 00:18:55.504 argument don't we that the thing streamers have to do to be successful is have the best originals. 00:18:55.624 --> 00:18:59.584 And I'm sure if people could be bothered, they'd go back to podcasts or newsletters 00:18:59.584 --> 00:19:02.764 that I've spoken on or written, and I've probably made that argument. 00:19:03.264 --> 00:19:07.604 But this kind of puts pay to that. 00:19:07.724 --> 00:19:14.164 And I did write an article before about how streamers are keeping the old shows alive. 00:19:14.884 --> 00:19:20.144 And how for some people... So Paramount Plus to me is the best example of this. 00:19:20.884 --> 00:19:25.604 Not a huge breakthrough. It's never really had a huge breakthrough hit. 00:19:27.048 --> 00:19:31.528 There's been some popular shows, but it's never really smashed through. Picard. 00:19:32.768 --> 00:19:37.748 New iterations of Star Trek is all Paramount Plus really has going for it. 00:19:38.188 --> 00:19:41.268 Exactly. Until they rolled up Showtime into that. 00:19:43.248 --> 00:19:48.088 Probably The Curse was bordering on having a big moment. 00:19:48.428 --> 00:19:53.248 But the point about Paramount Plus is most people I would put a lot of money on. 00:19:53.248 --> 00:20:00.188 The reason people who have it have it is for the catalog it has and there's 00:20:00.188 --> 00:20:04.468 obviously a bit of Disney Plus in there as well just because of the whole of 00:20:04.468 --> 00:20:08.228 Disney and Marvel and blah blah blah Disney, 00:20:08.948 --> 00:20:14.508 Marvel Star Wars and now they're absorbing Hulu into that in the US Hulu is 00:20:14.508 --> 00:20:18.928 sort of evaporating and becoming one of the little tiles in. 00:20:19.748 --> 00:20:23.108 The Disney Plus app yeah so much like showtime 00:20:23.108 --> 00:20:25.988 like showtime became like a subsection 00:20:25.988 --> 00:20:29.528 of paramount same idea so um it's yeah 00:20:29.528 --> 00:20:32.328 like it's interesting to kind of see how 00:20:32.328 --> 00:20:35.148 that's evolving over time but i mean 00:20:35.148 --> 00:20:37.768 remember when when apple said they were going 00:20:37.768 --> 00:20:40.788 to start their own streaming service like my 00:20:40.788 --> 00:20:43.548 reaction to that was then what i've watched all the shows that you came out 00:20:43.548 --> 00:20:46.288 on stage and talked about then what like what else 00:20:46.288 --> 00:20:49.688 am i gonna watch what what do you have for me that's not not you 00:20:49.688 --> 00:20:52.388 know the five shows I've already watched because that's all you have up on the 00:20:52.388 --> 00:20:58.448 you know on the screen or whatever so library we always we you and I forever 00:20:58.448 --> 00:21:04.108 on a number of different shows have talked about how it how the the rest of 00:21:04.108 --> 00:21:06.848 the content is important because you can get people there but if you want them 00:21:06.848 --> 00:21:09.268 to stay you have to give them something appealing, 00:21:09.928 --> 00:21:13.988 and something they can't binge in a month and then go cancel sure absolutely 00:21:13.988 --> 00:21:20.228 just to finish off the the mcis discussion uh lucas sure notes it's been the 00:21:20.228 --> 00:21:23.708 most watched scripture show on live tv as well for a lot of the last decade 00:21:23.708 --> 00:21:29.748 so basically it's the most watched show in the us by any metric by quite a long way. 00:21:32.539 --> 00:21:36.319 Obviously that we could do a whole thing about like children shows which is 00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:38.459 an interesting dynamic i i 00:21:38.459 --> 00:21:42.059 just find i i find obviously this is why we do the edition but the sort of, 00:21:42.699 --> 00:21:46.519 the breakdown of what's there is really interesting um 00:21:46.519 --> 00:21:50.279 the comfort food element of it with like the gilmore girls and the big bang 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:56.699 theory and so but yeah and just on paramount plus i'm sure a lot of the reason 00:21:56.699 --> 00:22:01.519 that people have it as i say is for the catalog is because they They love Star 00:22:01.519 --> 00:22:03.479 Trek and just want to dip into Star Trek, 00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:05.659 et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 00:22:05.879 --> 00:22:08.779 There's Picard, there's Star Trek Discovery as well if they want some new stuff. 00:22:09.939 --> 00:22:12.919 There's quite an extensive collection of movies on Paramount Plus as well. 00:22:13.719 --> 00:22:17.439 Yeah, they've got quite, there's a lot of, but it's kind of hard to sort of 00:22:17.439 --> 00:22:18.659 browse those effectively. 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:22.359 Like in my experience with Paramount Plus, it's kind of hard to sort of stroll 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:26.899 through it like you used to be able to do, like at the video store, 00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:28.699 ask your parents. Oh, Kelly. 00:22:29.719 --> 00:22:32.819 I don't mean you. um but like being able 00:22:32.819 --> 00:22:36.379 to just kind of see a stack of things all at once that are sort of action movies 00:22:36.379 --> 00:22:38.959 because they want to curate everything and show you the stuff that they want 00:22:38.959 --> 00:22:42.939 you to watch and that's not necessarily maybe the one I'm interested in like 00:22:42.939 --> 00:22:47.539 oh you have that movie that I remember really enjoying from years ago that I 00:22:47.539 --> 00:22:50.539 would like to sit down and watch again yeah I mean this is that so well this 00:22:50.539 --> 00:22:52.679 brings me to the last topic I want to um, 00:22:53.299 --> 00:22:56.579 come to before we wrap up this return show because it does sum up a lot of what 00:22:56.579 --> 00:23:00.479 I think we'll be discussing now that the show is back and rolling well before 00:23:00.479 --> 00:23:04.519 we do that I just want to point out much the same way people subscribe to Paramount for Star Trek. 00:23:04.919 --> 00:23:09.539 I think there's a probably shocking number of people who are subscribed to Peacock 00:23:09.539 --> 00:23:10.639 strictly for days of our lives. 00:23:11.499 --> 00:23:14.099 That could well be true. Yeah. And they, yeah. 00:23:16.099 --> 00:23:19.459 What I was going to say is I kind of want to get into this idea of, 00:23:20.059 --> 00:23:24.979 and actually everything you've said has proved this point is the fragmentation now in streaming. 00:23:25.059 --> 00:23:28.119 This is, you know, I'm not the first person to make this point. 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:32.479 This is not an original point I'm making, but it's an important one to have 00:23:32.479 --> 00:23:36.919 as we have these conversations because what did you talk about? 00:23:36.999 --> 00:23:39.239 You talked about Disney subsuming Hulu. 00:23:39.379 --> 00:23:48.319 We've talked about Showtime moving into, you know, into Paramount+. 00:23:49.619 --> 00:23:54.819 All those things are happening. And I think that's because people are just –, 00:23:55.439 --> 00:23:59.579 haven't we seen like some of the new stuff as well? well, like CNN's dropping 00:23:59.579 --> 00:24:01.559 into what, into max, isn't it? 00:24:01.919 --> 00:24:06.199 I think, yeah, I think it's max that you can watch CNN now as part of that. 00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:10.559 Yeah. Because people are, the point is people are trying to like reduce the 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:12.979 number of places you have to bounce around to, to find the thing. 00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:15.719 Because all the companies have realized that's starting to annoy us. 00:24:16.849 --> 00:24:22.109 And I think that's going to be the big trend as we move through 2024 is this consolidation. 00:24:23.029 --> 00:24:29.169 Mm hmm. Yeah, I think there's I think I think this is those those two examples 00:24:29.169 --> 00:24:30.169 are the front edge of a trend. 00:24:30.289 --> 00:24:35.289 I think there's going to be more of that coming. I think there's there or at 00:24:35.289 --> 00:24:41.409 a minimum, there are going to be relationships between them. 00:24:41.409 --> 00:24:44.229 Um i can't there's a word for that 00:24:44.229 --> 00:24:46.949 and it's not synergy because that's the corporate version of it but like the 00:24:46.949 --> 00:24:50.549 term in nature symbiotic symbiotic relationships where 00:24:50.549 --> 00:24:54.109 you know like because cnn and 00:24:54.109 --> 00:24:57.389 and hbo live in the same house like obviously that's where you're going to see 00:24:57.389 --> 00:25:04.129 the that's where you're going to see cnn and um you know any of the the football 00:25:04.129 --> 00:25:08.229 in your part of the world coverage coverage is always going to show up on Peacock 00:25:08.229 --> 00:25:12.509 first because that's associated with NBC, et cetera, et cetera. 00:25:12.709 --> 00:25:15.809 Like those kinds of things are always going to be the same. 00:25:15.909 --> 00:25:20.649 And I think that at some point there's going to have to start being better relationships 00:25:20.649 --> 00:25:25.989 and they're all going to have to kind of work together without the cable provider middleman. 00:25:26.169 --> 00:25:30.069 And that's been the thing that like most of the civilized world has been waiting 00:25:30.069 --> 00:25:32.689 for is like, how do I get, you know. 00:25:34.259 --> 00:25:37.499 Well, there are a lot of people who don't have cable and don't care. 00:25:38.699 --> 00:25:44.199 And the cable subscribing world really wants to stop subscribing to cable, 00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:49.279 but also doesn't want to have to end up paying more in order to get all the services I want. 00:25:49.539 --> 00:25:56.399 So when Disney can make a deal with whatever they're calling Time Warner now, 00:25:56.619 --> 00:26:03.819 and you can get Disney Plus and HBO Max for slightly less than paying for them separately, 00:26:03.819 --> 00:26:06.499 like that's going to be the thing that's really going to 00:26:06.499 --> 00:26:09.559 start helping i think also keep people subscribed to 00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:13.059 a service that maybe people are kind of about like well 00:26:13.059 --> 00:26:15.999 it's only a few bucks a month because i got this bundle 00:26:15.999 --> 00:26:20.099 with these two or three or five services so it'll be fine like being able to 00:26:20.099 --> 00:26:23.999 do it that way i think is is going to be the thing that's probably going to 00:26:23.999 --> 00:26:27.799 be the next evolution which is the thing we kept we kept saying to begin with 00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:32.559 was there has always been We've been talking about this re-bundling and I think 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:34.499 we're starting to see some of it. 00:26:34.619 --> 00:26:38.359 And I think it's consumer pressure because people are really fed up with not knowing where stuff is. 00:26:39.479 --> 00:26:43.839 Yeah, it's really frustrating. I think it is, particularly when it's stuff that's 00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:45.739 owned by the same company. Like, come on. 00:26:46.119 --> 00:26:49.179 If it has the same parent company, I think that's where it's not. 00:26:49.239 --> 00:26:52.759 I don't think we're totally going back to the future and you're going to end 00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:55.179 up with a sort of equivalent of a streaming bundle. 00:26:55.179 --> 00:26:58.119 Obviously in sports we've seen lots of 00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:00.979 reporting of like that some of the major companies 00:27:00.979 --> 00:27:03.919 in the u.s are going to come together for one super sports streaming service we 00:27:03.919 --> 00:27:07.099 i'll obviously be uh keeping up on 00:27:07.099 --> 00:27:10.019 that but we have we don't have that many details yet 00:27:10.019 --> 00:27:15.559 is the truth of it it's just it's a really interesting thing and also what becomes 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:21.159 important then is the platforms on which you subscribe to these services because 00:27:21.159 --> 00:27:27.259 amazon to go full circle on the show almost like i plan planet is Amazon and Apple. 00:27:28.804 --> 00:27:31.904 In particular really want you to use 00:27:31.904 --> 00:27:34.804 them whether it's the apple in apple's case 00:27:34.804 --> 00:27:37.844 the tv box or the tv app and amazon 00:27:37.844 --> 00:27:42.944 the prime video app as your 00:27:42.944 --> 00:27:45.924 that your base for streaming they want you to subscribe to everything 00:27:45.924 --> 00:27:49.204 through you know wants me to have my paramount plus subscription through 00:27:49.204 --> 00:27:52.684 amazon prime video blah blah blah blah yeah and 00:27:52.684 --> 00:27:55.724 they're also extra interested in like we'd 00:27:55.724 --> 00:27:59.324 really like if you were streaming through our service through our 00:27:59.324 --> 00:28:02.364 software on our hardware but if 00:28:02.364 --> 00:28:05.604 it's just a matter of getting our app on everything then you 00:28:05.604 --> 00:28:09.224 know that's why both of those are two of the most ubiquitous is because they 00:28:09.224 --> 00:28:12.264 want they want you to be using amazon they want you to be using apple regardless 00:28:12.264 --> 00:28:17.664 of the the glass you're using to watch the thing absolutely and they're happy 00:28:17.664 --> 00:28:23.384 if you're still in their their space in some way yeah i think that's absolutely right it's it's, 00:28:24.624 --> 00:28:27.984 It's going to be, well, I always say this, but it is going to be really interesting 00:28:27.984 --> 00:28:32.024 to see how this develops over the next few months because it feels like we're really at a crunch point, 00:28:33.404 --> 00:28:36.484 because we've sort of got to the point where everything was everywhere. 00:28:37.344 --> 00:28:40.704 We got to the point where everyone was a bit fed up of everything being everywhere. 00:28:42.584 --> 00:28:47.024 And for me, the rest of 2024 will be a lot about cleaning all that stuff up. 00:28:47.984 --> 00:28:52.924 Fingers crossed. Well, so we'll see. Just to wrap up, what are you watching? 00:28:52.924 --> 00:28:56.564 Chain what do you enjoy watching at the moment uh right 00:28:56.564 --> 00:28:59.964 now i'm watching um a show 00:28:59.964 --> 00:29:02.884 called palm palm royal palm royale oh yeah 00:29:02.884 --> 00:29:05.924 um on apple tv very uh very funny 00:29:05.924 --> 00:29:08.744 and it it got weird in a hurry and i'm enjoying it very 00:29:08.744 --> 00:29:11.924 much nice um so that's not 00:29:11.924 --> 00:29:14.764 my to watch that yeah it's it's worth 00:29:14.764 --> 00:29:17.964 it's worth the trip it's a little slow to start but it's very good nice um 00:29:17.964 --> 00:29:21.004 i'm currently binging through star trek 00:29:21.004 --> 00:29:24.184 discovery of course you are um uh because 00:29:24.184 --> 00:29:27.244 i haven't i i was laid to strange new worlds 00:29:27.244 --> 00:29:32.044 and so now i'm also trying to get um uh 00:29:32.044 --> 00:29:35.124 i'm trying to catch up on lower decks here and there when i can but discovery 00:29:35.124 --> 00:29:39.504 is really the one that is really got my attention at the moment um bad batch 00:29:39.504 --> 00:29:44.004 which is a star wars show it will shock you that i'm very interested in the 00:29:44.004 --> 00:29:45.204 current currently airing star 00:29:45.204 --> 00:29:50.144 wars tv program that's on disney plus on disney plus yeah but it is um. 00:29:51.238 --> 00:29:56.078 It is one of the most enjoyable of all the Star Wars stuff that I have watched 00:29:56.078 --> 00:30:02.618 that's, you know, like not one of the films is Bad Batch. Clone Wars and Bad 00:30:02.618 --> 00:30:05.118 Batch are two of my favorite Star Wars television shows. 00:30:05.298 --> 00:30:07.318 So I'm glad there's more of Bad Batch out now. 00:30:08.318 --> 00:30:11.258 Yeah. I've been playing my way through. 00:30:11.298 --> 00:30:16.958 This is going to show you that my TV viewing is often not highly intellectual. 00:30:16.958 --> 00:30:20.018 Lecture i mentioned the the complete completely made 00:30:20.018 --> 00:30:22.778 up uh tales of dick turpin on which is on apple tv 00:30:22.778 --> 00:30:25.598 plus which is delightful oh i'm glad you 00:30:25.598 --> 00:30:28.498 liked it chuck was not having it um i i've got 00:30:28.498 --> 00:30:31.278 my whole way i'm not surprised it was not chuck's it was not a flavor 00:30:31.278 --> 00:30:34.038 chuck enjoyed but no he was i i thought it 00:30:34.038 --> 00:30:36.838 was really entertaining it gave me strong our flag means 00:30:36.838 --> 00:30:39.898 death vibes which is part of why it made me happy yeah really fun 00:30:39.898 --> 00:30:42.698 so i i've worked my way through that i'm still going the 00:30:42.698 --> 00:30:45.498 whole way through SWAT which I now realize is coming 00:30:45.498 --> 00:30:48.578 to its last season but it's like very silly dumb action tv 00:30:48.578 --> 00:30:51.578 show yeah which I I'm always in favor 00:30:51.578 --> 00:30:54.198 of uh what else oh I'm going 00:30:54.198 --> 00:30:57.618 to settle down on the movie side to scoop uh 00:30:57.618 --> 00:31:01.258 on Netflix which is the tale of the Prince 00:31:01.258 --> 00:31:04.778 Andrew interview it's based on a book yeah it's 00:31:04.778 --> 00:31:07.618 a it's based on a book that I reviewed for the Times Literary Supplement here 00:31:07.618 --> 00:31:10.658 in the UK uh which was written by Sam McAllister 00:31:10.658 --> 00:31:13.578 who's the producer producer of who's our producer on 00:31:13.578 --> 00:31:17.018 news night who booked that interview who got that interview sorted um 00:31:17.018 --> 00:31:20.778 it's Gillian Anderson as Emily Maitlis and. 00:31:20.778 --> 00:31:24.038 I'm very much looking forward to settling down to 00:31:24.038 --> 00:31:26.678 watch that at some point very soon so that's where we are 00:31:26.678 --> 00:31:29.338 I'm really thrilled to be back and that the 00:31:29.338 --> 00:31:32.058 edition podcast is back we'll be here every Wednesday as we 00:31:32.058 --> 00:31:35.558 always used to be with lots of different guests Kelly thank 00:31:35.558 --> 00:31:38.298 you so much for being the first one where can people keep up with 00:31:38.298 --> 00:31:41.218 you uh generally you can find 00:31:41.218 --> 00:31:45.938 me over on mastodon i am verso at mastodon.social um 00:31:45.938 --> 00:31:52.578 occasionally you can find me on instagram um and the rest of the time you uh 00:31:52.578 --> 00:31:58.758 lately you can find me on the in touch with ios uh the latest episode is episode 00:31:58.758 --> 00:32:04.798 300 so wow to do for that so uh hi david uh you can check. 00:32:06.518 --> 00:32:09.638 Yeah it's it's i'm only on occasionally but um 00:32:09.638 --> 00:32:13.518 uh because david just does a great job with that show and i really like every 00:32:13.518 --> 00:32:17.778 time i get to be on um you can sometimes find me on tuesdays with friend of 00:32:17.778 --> 00:32:22.198 this show chuck joiner when he does mac voices live um sometimes i'm over there 00:32:22.198 --> 00:32:26.938 doing my very best to keep him way off topic and uh it's always a good thing to do, 00:32:27.670 --> 00:32:33.710 I do try. It's good to keep him on his toes. And you can also occasionally find 00:32:33.710 --> 00:32:37.570 me over on the incomparable network where I talk about a lot of things. 00:32:37.610 --> 00:32:39.390 Most recently it was a dune too. 00:32:40.990 --> 00:32:47.010 And yeah, I enjoyed it a lot. I had some insights that apparently no one else put together. 00:32:47.130 --> 00:32:50.410 So that was kind of fun. Like I'm the only one that saw this and yeah. 00:32:50.530 --> 00:32:53.970 So yeah, that's mostly where I am. 00:32:54.250 --> 00:32:58.170 Excellent. I'm at Charlotte A. Henry across social media. But of course, 00:32:58.170 --> 00:33:00.390 the main place to head over to is theedition.net. 00:33:00.590 --> 00:33:03.290 There's blogging there. 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