WEBVTT 00:00:00.017 --> 00:00:04.677 Hey, it's Charlotte. Welcome to the Edition podcast. I've got something special for you this week. 00:00:04.857 --> 00:00:09.297 We're going to have a bit of a double episode because my wonderful guest was Sarah Lane. 00:00:10.197 --> 00:00:15.237 She was so wonderful and we discussed so much that I've split it into two episodes. 00:00:15.257 --> 00:00:17.277 So that's Wednesday and Thursday. 00:00:17.597 --> 00:00:19.497 Here's part one, and I hope you enjoy it. 00:00:19.760 --> 00:00:29.040 Music. 00:00:28.677 --> 00:00:33.177 Hello it's charlotte henry yes the edition podcast is back after a bit of a 00:00:33.177 --> 00:00:37.317 summer break um i spent a lot of time watching the olympics and now the paralympics 00:00:37.317 --> 00:00:41.177 but we're back with a fantastic show because i'm actually really excited about 00:00:41.177 --> 00:00:45.237 this one because i have sarah Lane on the show from Daily Tech News Show, 00:00:45.377 --> 00:00:47.477 from Apple Vision Show. Hello. 00:00:48.617 --> 00:00:52.437 Hello, Charlotte. Well, thank you for the warm introduction. 00:00:52.697 --> 00:00:54.057 I'm really glad to be on the show, too. 00:00:54.337 --> 00:00:57.697 Well, I'm so glad to have you here. And I'm going to smoke, you know, 00:00:57.717 --> 00:01:02.297 put smoke up your butt because Sarah Lane is one of the reasons I like doing 00:01:02.297 --> 00:01:04.557 what I do because I will discuss this in a minute. 00:01:04.637 --> 00:01:09.217 But, you know, she was a pioneer in the online journalism, creatory, 00:01:09.297 --> 00:01:12.037 whatever you want to call it these days space and I was like oh my 00:01:12.037 --> 00:01:15.757 god there's a cool woman that does this stuff too and it 00:01:15.757 --> 00:01:20.237 was Sarah Lane and now we're friends we get to hang out and talk yeah well thank 00:01:20.237 --> 00:01:28.097 you and I I get it I I when I got into the space as well there were not that 00:01:28.097 --> 00:01:32.537 many of us so anytime you know even to this day I meet someone where I'm like 00:01:32.537 --> 00:01:35.577 oh so we can talk about that cool Cool. 00:01:35.677 --> 00:01:40.397 I could talk about that with lots of guys, but women, you got to stick together. 00:01:40.617 --> 00:01:42.677 Turns out women do use tech, Sarah. 00:01:43.117 --> 00:01:46.377 Indeed. I know. I know. And it is important. 00:01:47.117 --> 00:01:51.777 And it also turns out sometimes the men don't make tech that is particularly good for us. 00:01:52.846 --> 00:01:58.286 I also, I also, I have a bunch of friends where I'm just, I'm kind of the tech 00:01:58.286 --> 00:02:01.546 support friend, you know, friends and family. We're all like that. 00:02:01.626 --> 00:02:03.906 And yeah, I'll have a friend. 00:02:04.046 --> 00:02:07.666 Sometimes they'll tell, they'll, they'll have a question, you know, 00:02:07.686 --> 00:02:10.186 and we're talking about something and I'm like, you, you know, 00:02:10.266 --> 00:02:11.406 more about this than I do. 00:02:12.626 --> 00:02:16.386 You know, you've got to like, you can't, it's okay to be like, 00:02:16.506 --> 00:02:18.566 Oh, I know, I know what's going on here. 00:02:18.686 --> 00:02:21.746 You know, I follow the news. I I like tinkering, that kind of stuff. 00:02:21.946 --> 00:02:26.946 Well, I actually just watched a brilliant video where Becca Versace, 00:02:26.986 --> 00:02:30.926 her last interview for The Verge was with iJustine, who was, 00:02:30.946 --> 00:02:34.526 again, a pioneering woman in that kind of tech creative space. 00:02:34.646 --> 00:02:35.526 Anyway, it's a great video. 00:02:36.126 --> 00:02:40.366 We have a bunch of stuff. And actually, I kind of started off in that way because 00:02:40.366 --> 00:02:43.806 I did want to talk about, I was going to say your career, Sarah, 00:02:43.886 --> 00:02:45.666 like it's a very grand sign off. 00:02:45.766 --> 00:02:49.166 But I want to talk about the various things you've worked on 00:02:49.166 --> 00:02:51.986 because I think your career kind of in lots 00:02:51.986 --> 00:02:55.126 of ways demonstrates how media over 00:02:55.126 --> 00:02:58.066 the internet has evolved now obviously you've 00:02:58.066 --> 00:03:00.806 always been focused on the tech space but your 00:03:00.806 --> 00:03:03.506 kind of CV is the kind of 00:03:03.506 --> 00:03:06.326 CV people have now but maybe when you started it was a bit you 00:03:06.326 --> 00:03:09.766 were a bit of an outrider yeah so uh 00:03:09.766 --> 00:03:12.446 when I went to you know as 00:03:12.446 --> 00:03:15.886 a kid I was always just interested in electronics I 00:03:15.886 --> 00:03:18.926 always would say electronics to people like what does 00:03:18.926 --> 00:03:22.186 that mean like radios and stereos and you 00:03:22.186 --> 00:03:25.566 were you were the nerd kid it's okay right right 00:03:25.566 --> 00:03:29.986 this is a space yeah but it was you know it was like I could make like the best 00:03:29.986 --> 00:03:35.706 mixtape and not have any mess mess ups you know that I it just I that was always 00:03:35.706 --> 00:03:42.346 my thing and when I and I just thought that that was like a hobby. 00:03:42.686 --> 00:03:46.266 I, you know, if somebody were to ask me in high school, you know, 00:03:46.266 --> 00:03:49.426 what do you want to be when you grow up? I'd say, Oh, I don't know. 00:03:49.546 --> 00:03:51.866 Maybe, maybe I should like be a doctor. 00:03:52.006 --> 00:03:54.246 They seem to make a lot of money. You know, that like, I didn't, 00:03:54.246 --> 00:03:59.966 I didn't think that who I was at the core was necessarily going to be what I 00:03:59.966 --> 00:04:05.226 did as a, uh, you know, as, as a trade. You didn't think you could be a professional nerd? 00:04:06.046 --> 00:04:11.826 No, because I didn't know what that was. I, you know, I, We had a computer in 00:04:11.826 --> 00:04:17.646 my house, you know, in the 90s, dating myself a little bit. 00:04:17.686 --> 00:04:22.686 But, you know, it was like a couple other people, like friends of mine, 00:04:22.826 --> 00:04:26.466 there was like a computer in their house. But it was sort of unusual. 00:04:27.666 --> 00:04:32.186 So I'm going to age you more. Tell us about the computer. What was the computer? 00:04:33.406 --> 00:04:38.426 What was it? It was a gateway something. 00:04:39.326 --> 00:04:41.566 What language did you have to type into it? 00:04:43.520 --> 00:04:49.320 I mean, it was basic, literally. I mean, it was, well, okay. 00:04:49.400 --> 00:04:55.340 So that, you know, that I would have been much younger at that point, but no, it was my mother. 00:04:56.340 --> 00:05:02.300 I don't even know how she, you know, came about the BBS. 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:09.120 So like pre-internet days, but she, we had a modem and somebody that she knew, 00:05:09.200 --> 00:05:12.660 you know, at work, I guess, was sort of like, Hey, this is this cool thing. 00:05:12.660 --> 00:05:16.620 Like your kid can like download games from, you know, the BBS. 00:05:17.340 --> 00:05:22.080 And so it, my friends would come over to my house and I'd be like, 00:05:22.140 --> 00:05:23.100 do you want to see something cool? 00:05:23.740 --> 00:05:27.480 And, and we'd all go into the, the room that the computer was in. 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.520 We, we didn't even call it an office. It was like the computer room, 00:05:30.640 --> 00:05:33.700 but like lots of other, lots of other things were in this, this room. 00:05:34.540 --> 00:05:40.520 And, you know, and I'd be like, okay, listen. And then we would connect and 00:05:40.520 --> 00:05:43.160 I'd be like, what, what game do you want to play? Like, do you want to play 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:45.340 like a like an asteroid type game? 00:05:45.500 --> 00:05:49.260 And we'd find something and we would download it and it would be horrible and 00:05:49.260 --> 00:05:50.980 like buggy and made no sense. 00:05:51.320 --> 00:05:55.320 But people would be like, that's magic and it's free. 00:05:56.960 --> 00:06:01.040 So that was kind of the first that was like the pre Internet where I was like, 00:06:01.080 --> 00:06:01.820 all right, I'm into this. 00:06:01.900 --> 00:06:07.280 And I'm also ahead of the curve because almost nobody I knew or hung out with 00:06:07.280 --> 00:06:11.040 had any idea what I was talking about. but I seemed very, very, 00:06:11.180 --> 00:06:16.300 you know, like I had technical secrets. You were a vision of the future. 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:25.640 Right. So then in college, I started out as a math major, but I switched to 00:06:25.640 --> 00:06:29.220 broadcasting because I decided that I wanted to work in television. 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:31.100 I didn't really know in what capacity. 00:06:31.660 --> 00:06:36.520 I thought I wanted to be an editor, like a video editor, because I watched a 00:06:36.520 --> 00:06:39.860 lot of MTV and I thought music videos were cool. And I'm like, I should do that. 00:06:40.140 --> 00:06:44.820 You know, what a fun job. You just like make up nonsensical things and put it 00:06:44.820 --> 00:06:47.320 on television and people like it. 00:06:48.020 --> 00:06:49.760 And I, um... 00:06:50.650 --> 00:06:57.390 Was interning while I was in college, working for a documentary and the producer 00:06:57.390 --> 00:07:00.090 who, you know, she liked me. 00:07:00.190 --> 00:07:03.890 And so, you know, she ended up giving me a lot of work, you know, 00:07:03.890 --> 00:07:06.670 for my age and my, you know, lack of experience. 00:07:07.270 --> 00:07:10.630 And she said to me one day, I'll never forget that. She was like, 00:07:10.730 --> 00:07:14.110 Sarah, I think you're a producer because you're very bossy. 00:07:15.090 --> 00:07:20.370 I was like, I think you're right. I think you're right. meaning that you, 00:07:20.610 --> 00:07:26.250 you know, I find this hard to imagine that you might be bossy, 00:07:26.250 --> 00:07:29.270 wear a lot of hats, make things happen. 00:07:29.350 --> 00:07:35.290 You know, it's just, it more of a, you know, a facilitator of things. 00:07:35.430 --> 00:07:39.450 And I was like, yeah, you might be right. And I kind of just always did that. 00:07:39.530 --> 00:07:46.490 So, uh, when I first started in television, I ended up working and this is post-college. 00:07:46.490 --> 00:07:53.230 Uh, So, you know, my first my first full time job was on a show about technology in Silicon Valley. 00:07:53.390 --> 00:07:57.770 Now, I was approaching it as, you know, I just want to work in TV and this is 00:07:57.770 --> 00:07:58.750 the show that they gave me. 00:07:59.050 --> 00:08:01.850 Not, you know, I mean, I worked with the team. It wasn't my show, 00:08:01.930 --> 00:08:04.570 you know, like like a singular thing. 00:08:04.710 --> 00:08:08.270 But it was the content. I was like, this is great. 00:08:08.410 --> 00:08:13.590 You know, this was also just first wave of Silicon Valley startup stuff, 00:08:14.030 --> 00:08:20.230 you know. So lots of hype, lots of companies, lots of investments in companies 00:08:20.230 --> 00:08:22.010 that do not exist anymore. 00:08:22.190 --> 00:08:25.210 It was the pets.com era of the Internet. 00:08:26.150 --> 00:08:33.830 So after that, went to tech TV. After that, went to G4, again, cable networks. 00:08:34.310 --> 00:08:39.830 And then at some point, I kind of took a break, was like TV. 00:08:39.950 --> 00:08:42.410 I don't know. You know, I got to live in New York or L.A. 00:08:42.730 --> 00:08:47.710 That's it. That was still the vibe in those days, and that felt like... 00:08:48.526 --> 00:08:52.246 Did I make a decision about my life at too young of an age? 00:08:52.346 --> 00:08:57.226 And now I'm just pigeonholed into just a couple different things I can do. 00:08:57.826 --> 00:09:03.826 Well, luckily for me, um, the internet and internet video and internet content 00:09:03.826 --> 00:09:06.286 exploded over the next year or so. 00:09:06.766 --> 00:09:10.626 So, you know, and that social networking also came about, you know, 00:09:10.626 --> 00:09:14.926 so we're talking 2007, it's Twitter, you know, people are, everybody's on Facebook. 00:09:15.046 --> 00:09:20.106 Um, I worked at a company called revision three, which was, internet video. 00:09:20.546 --> 00:09:24.306 That's what we, that's what we called it. And everyone was like, internet video. 00:09:24.566 --> 00:09:27.806 It's like, yeah, think of it as a TV show, but on the internet and people go, 00:09:28.506 --> 00:09:35.346 but so, but people do now it feels so natural to us. But when you were doing 00:09:35.346 --> 00:09:38.266 these things, I remember revision three, there's some great shows on revision three. 00:09:38.366 --> 00:09:41.726 I remember like, wasn't hack five on revision three. 00:09:42.286 --> 00:09:47.126 Yes, it was like, I remember getting into that. Obviously lovely Shannon Morse 00:09:47.126 --> 00:09:49.446 has been on this show a couple of times. Oh, cool. 00:09:49.666 --> 00:09:54.446 Yeah. She's, I mean, she's, yeah. I mean, big ups to Morse. Exactly. 00:09:55.546 --> 00:09:59.686 Exactly. So, but like I remember discovering this whole world of shows. 00:10:00.306 --> 00:10:04.426 Yeah. Yeah. It was internet television and people would kind of go like, 00:10:04.486 --> 00:10:08.166 yeah, but what about my TV in the living room? 00:10:08.246 --> 00:10:12.546 And we'd be like, and again, these were early enough days where it's like, 00:10:12.546 --> 00:10:21.006 Like, you can make this thing that we're making appear on your television, but you have to want to. 00:10:21.886 --> 00:10:26.766 Now... It requires quite a few cables and... Yeah, and just you have to, 00:10:26.846 --> 00:10:30.766 you know, you're sort of, you know, to use the word hack, like hacking some things together. 00:10:31.026 --> 00:10:34.426 It's still like a techie, nerdy thing. 00:10:34.426 --> 00:10:37.066 And now the idea that you know 00:10:37.066 --> 00:10:40.126 imagine if somebody said oh you know 00:10:40.126 --> 00:10:46.266 sarah and charlotte uh this is great but you can only watch this like sitting 00:10:46.266 --> 00:10:50.666 at your desktop that's the show that you've made it's like we don't nobody even 00:10:50.666 --> 00:10:54.106 thinks about that anymore in fact that's probably the last place people are 00:10:54.106 --> 00:10:59.326 watching content uh these days because we've you know everybody's on mobile or where you can, 00:10:59.406 --> 00:11:05.366 you know, That's why when I discovered Twitter and the Tech News Daily, 00:11:06.026 --> 00:11:08.626 that you were on, Tom Merritt was on, 00:11:09.406 --> 00:11:12.426 Tech News Today, TNT. Yeah. 00:11:14.362 --> 00:11:17.062 Never daily tech news show people may people yeah 00:11:17.062 --> 00:11:19.722 you know they're similar names yeah when i 00:11:19.722 --> 00:11:23.202 discovered but it was revolutionary this whole world back then 00:11:23.202 --> 00:11:26.082 you felt like you were in a secret club and like in a special 00:11:26.082 --> 00:11:29.022 club who had discovered this who had downloaded the audio 00:11:29.022 --> 00:11:31.962 onto your ipod or like even managed 00:11:31.962 --> 00:11:34.782 to watch it on your video ipod or managed to get the video onto your 00:11:34.782 --> 00:11:37.722 mac or whatever and now this is just 00:11:37.722 --> 00:11:40.482 you know how many times do we talk 00:11:40.482 --> 00:11:43.702 about on podcasts you and i do that kids 00:11:43.702 --> 00:11:46.562 these days that for them is tv the youtube 00:11:46.562 --> 00:11:49.602 channels whatever totally yeah in fact 00:11:49.602 --> 00:11:56.522 i i just had a um conversation with some of my colleagues the other day um which 00:11:56.522 --> 00:12:02.142 was on daily tech news show but i was like i am the outlier now because i don't 00:12:02.142 --> 00:12:06.302 watch a lot of youtube content if somebody sends me the link to something and 00:12:06.302 --> 00:12:08.462 says hey sir you gotta watch this i'll do that that. 00:12:08.462 --> 00:12:13.682 Like I, I understand YouTube has a lot of content, but, um, subscriptions and 00:12:13.682 --> 00:12:18.082 series and, you know, breaking news and it's not just YouTube. 00:12:18.142 --> 00:12:21.282 I mean, there's the whole TikTok revolution that is, that has changed things 00:12:21.282 --> 00:12:27.082 as well, but I tend to be almost a little bit more, like I'm almost old school 00:12:27.082 --> 00:12:29.842 sometimes I feel like, cause I go, well, uh. 00:12:30.864 --> 00:12:35.944 If I am going to subscribe to the edition, I will go through Apple Podcasts. 00:12:36.384 --> 00:12:41.624 Because that's where everything is synced. I guess that's not really being old school. 00:12:41.744 --> 00:12:44.964 That's just being like, I just want things to be synced. 00:12:45.864 --> 00:12:48.944 I've got a collection of YouTube channels I like to subscribe to. 00:12:49.364 --> 00:12:51.264 One of them is, of course, DTNS. 00:12:52.384 --> 00:12:56.804 But for people, that is TV. It's fascinating. 00:12:57.024 --> 00:13:00.524 Did you realize at the time you were making things like Twit, 00:13:00.864 --> 00:13:05.744 that you, well, TNT, that you were ahead of the curve or were you like, 00:13:05.864 --> 00:13:08.304 have we done something really stupid and no one is going to come here? 00:13:08.384 --> 00:13:10.244 Did you know that people were going to follow you? 00:13:10.604 --> 00:13:16.184 No, we, we knew. And the reason is because, so, so Twit, you know, 00:13:16.204 --> 00:13:18.064 for anybody who's not familiar this week in tech, 00:13:18.244 --> 00:13:23.324 it's a network that encompassed a show of the same name, but also a lot of other 00:13:23.324 --> 00:13:29.984 the shows of which I did a few, um, that was a kind of ragtag crew of people 00:13:29.984 --> 00:13:31.584 who had come from tech TV. 00:13:31.684 --> 00:13:39.664 So Leo Laporte, um, it's his network to this day and myself and Tom Merritt and, um. 00:13:41.324 --> 00:13:44.284 Yeah, I as actor never worked with us at tech TV, 00:13:44.444 --> 00:13:47.964 but, uh, but yes, he was on Twitter with us and and 00:13:47.964 --> 00:13:50.924 a variety of people roger chang did 00:13:50.924 --> 00:13:53.804 stuff for twitter i mean a lot of people came and 00:13:53.804 --> 00:13:57.064 went who had been part of this television network 00:13:57.064 --> 00:14:02.864 that we all worked at between let's call it 2000 and 2000 well for me it was 00:14:02.864 --> 00:14:07.784 till 2006 we had management changes so you know the networks changed a little 00:14:07.784 --> 00:14:13.004 bit but we all knew each other and we all liked tech because we all did it already 00:14:13.004 --> 00:14:16.204 we did you know Shows every day, 00:14:16.404 --> 00:14:20.044 live, 60-minute shows about technology, 00:14:20.364 --> 00:14:27.244 taking apart computers and talking about the coolest download of the week and 00:14:27.244 --> 00:14:34.264 all of this stuff that you really couldn't get that anywhere else in a TV show. Certainly not. Yeah. 00:14:35.887 --> 00:14:41.887 When we all were working at Twit at the same time, we had a lot of the audience 00:14:41.887 --> 00:14:43.167 that knew us from tech TV. 00:14:43.567 --> 00:14:48.207 So we knew at least those people are going to be here. Now, is there a new audience? 00:14:48.407 --> 00:14:51.707 Totally. I mean, that's always the question, right? Like, what's the potential 00:14:51.707 --> 00:14:54.407 audience that you haven't already tapped? 00:14:55.787 --> 00:14:59.687 And so lots of people, yeah, lots of people will say like, oh, I know you from Twit. 00:14:59.707 --> 00:15:02.667 And I go, oh, so you don't even know me from TV. And it's like, 00:15:02.687 --> 00:15:06.427 no, no, we've never heard of you before until Twit, which is kind of cool. You like boys TV? 00:15:07.047 --> 00:15:09.747 Yeah. Like, it's kind of cool in a way because I'm like, okay, 00:15:09.967 --> 00:15:13.787 because you've got, well, it's, nothing's cooler than the other. 00:15:13.827 --> 00:15:18.487 To have a fan, you know, or a follower or, you know, somebody that admires you 00:15:18.487 --> 00:15:24.447 that knows me from like 1999 till today is like, that's dope. 00:15:24.527 --> 00:15:28.027 I obviously did something right because you still like me. 00:15:28.207 --> 00:15:33.947 Yeah. To have somebody who knew me along the way because they just got introduced to me. 00:15:34.227 --> 00:15:37.567 I mean, even people on Daily Tech News Show never heard of me before. 00:15:37.887 --> 00:15:43.087 And I'm like, that's like humbling, right? It's humbling. Yeah, they come and found you. 00:15:43.527 --> 00:15:48.787 Yeah, because you just didn't know me from the old days, but you like me now. 00:15:48.847 --> 00:15:50.947 Or maybe you don't, but hopefully you do. 00:15:51.227 --> 00:15:55.167 They hate watching. That's how it goes. Right. Hate watch me all you want. 00:15:55.347 --> 00:15:59.287 Hate watch is still a watch. Hate watch is still a watch. But they're the loyalists once. 00:15:59.987 --> 00:16:06.307 Always, always. It is fascinating because I, as I said, I remember seeing you 00:16:06.307 --> 00:16:09.707 guys listen to the podcast and being like, this is really revolutionary. 00:16:10.187 --> 00:16:14.787 And then once you let me on, I came on TNT once. That's how we met and hung out. 00:16:14.987 --> 00:16:20.507 And it was so exciting. I was like, oh my God, I'm with the famous people. This is so exciting. 00:16:20.947 --> 00:16:27.147 And it's just, what was always amazing about it and what you guys do now with DTNS as well is. 00:16:28.343 --> 00:16:31.583 You took it seriously. Yes. 00:16:32.483 --> 00:16:38.183 And I'm talking about in terms of production values. I'm talking about in terms of the studios. 00:16:38.963 --> 00:16:43.843 And you brought that all to the shows you're doing today. The setup has to look 00:16:43.843 --> 00:16:45.803 good. It has to sound good. 00:16:45.963 --> 00:16:48.183 The mics have to be good. All of that stuff. 00:16:48.403 --> 00:16:51.323 And I think that means your viewers take it seriously as well. 00:16:52.263 --> 00:16:55.543 Yeah, there are some corners you can cut. But obvious. Well, 00:16:55.703 --> 00:17:01.943 OK, so so Twit and, you know, thank you for saying nice things about our time 00:17:01.943 --> 00:17:04.063 at Twit because we did a lot of great stuff. 00:17:04.143 --> 00:17:08.603 You know that we really were all sitting in a state of the art studio. 00:17:09.563 --> 00:17:16.123 It was it was you know, we were making Internet television, but it was and we 00:17:16.123 --> 00:17:21.643 were figuring out how to do a lot of the same things with a much smaller crew. true. 00:17:22.023 --> 00:17:25.483 I mean, you know, it's like cable television. There are like 40 people working on a show. 00:17:25.523 --> 00:17:31.463 You know, you guys, you guys, you got your paycheck as long as you could, 00:17:31.583 --> 00:17:33.863 but you know, it's just, it's a different world now. 00:17:33.923 --> 00:17:41.223 But, but it was, it was, it was at least in, in person, uh, you know, 00:17:41.223 --> 00:17:45.043 sitting there doing the show, it was not unlike a television studio. 00:17:45.263 --> 00:17:50.363 Um, just, Just maybe slightly pared down, but designed to be that experience. 00:17:50.663 --> 00:17:57.123 Now, today, I don't work in a studio. I work in my home office, which I make. 00:17:57.383 --> 00:18:01.203 I try to make it look like, okay, but it's my house. 00:18:01.503 --> 00:18:04.243 And everyone I work with also works in their house. 00:18:04.783 --> 00:18:06.983 Three of us on the team of... 00:18:07.729 --> 00:18:11.229 We have quite a few people working on the team, but let's call it a team of 00:18:11.229 --> 00:18:15.389 six that are regulars. Three of us live in Los Angeles. 00:18:15.509 --> 00:18:20.129 We live in the same city, but we feel like we see each other every day. 00:18:20.369 --> 00:18:23.829 So we're not like clamoring to be like, hey, do you want to hang out on Saturday? 00:18:24.029 --> 00:18:25.869 I'm like, I saw Tom Monday through Friday. 00:18:27.969 --> 00:18:31.589 I'm over Tom now. It feels like we're together all the time, 00:18:31.669 --> 00:18:36.189 even though we're not physically together. Now, you know, bring pandemic into, 00:18:36.329 --> 00:18:38.349 you know, a lot of people's experience. 00:18:38.589 --> 00:18:45.069 Many people now, just for the last four years, have learned what, 00:18:45.149 --> 00:18:48.009 you know, the good and the bad of working this way. 00:18:48.229 --> 00:18:54.269 But I think what's great about what we do and have been doing for a while is 00:18:54.269 --> 00:18:59.449 being able to be nimble, being able to, you know, have Charlotte Henry on the show. 00:18:59.549 --> 00:19:03.309 It's like, you're not going to fly to Los Angeles. I will. If you want to pay 00:19:03.309 --> 00:19:05.509 for that flight, I'm very happy to do so. 00:19:05.669 --> 00:19:08.909 Well, I'd love to, but you know, pocketbook's empty type thing. 00:19:09.049 --> 00:19:14.809 So it's like, you have so much more leeway to get interesting, 00:19:15.009 --> 00:19:17.489 cool people to talk to on a show. 00:19:17.669 --> 00:19:23.749 And you might say, well, yeah, but like, doesn't, you know, CNN get people on the show all the time? 00:19:23.809 --> 00:19:27.009 It's like, yeah, it's satellite offices and they're expensive. 00:19:27.949 --> 00:19:32.489 It's a little different now because everybody's hip to the game now but that 00:19:32.489 --> 00:19:37.969 used to be something that was like you had to pay for that stuff not just for 00:19:37.969 --> 00:19:41.869 the person's time but like you had to pay for some room, 00:19:42.609 --> 00:19:47.129 somewhere where there was like a fake Golden Gate Bridge behind them type thing 00:19:47.129 --> 00:19:52.209 you know which still happens I just love how it seems so revolutionary and in 00:19:52.209 --> 00:19:54.509 its way it still is but there are now people. 00:19:55.629 --> 00:19:58.809 Graduating and being like this is the thing I want to do I want to make, 00:19:59.717 --> 00:20:02.877 a video on the internet and this is the job I'm going to do. 00:20:02.917 --> 00:20:06.917 In the way you were saying, oh no, I kind of thought I should be a doctor. 00:20:07.457 --> 00:20:11.917 Now you wouldn't have had to think that. You'd be like, I could, nevermind. 00:20:11.957 --> 00:20:15.257 Well, I mean, I threw out doctor just because I'm like, that's a good example 00:20:15.257 --> 00:20:18.277 of somebody who historically gets paid a lot of money. 00:20:18.357 --> 00:20:21.977 I mean, I was never going to go to med school, but I was a math major because 00:20:21.977 --> 00:20:26.917 I was good at math, but I wouldn't say that I was ever passionate about it. 00:20:27.177 --> 00:20:32.977 There was no passion there. I was just like, gosh, so many people struggle in math class. 00:20:33.297 --> 00:20:36.717 And I just, it comes pretty naturally to me. 00:20:36.857 --> 00:20:40.917 So I thought, well, I must be gifted. So I should do that because I'm good at it. 00:20:41.057 --> 00:20:48.137 And once I got to college, first of all, it came crashing down on me pretty 00:20:48.137 --> 00:20:51.897 soon that I was pretty good at math. 00:20:51.957 --> 00:20:54.997 I wasn't a great at math I was just better than everybody else 00:20:54.997 --> 00:20:58.117 that I knew like I am not a mathematician you know 00:20:58.117 --> 00:21:02.357 so I was in classes where I was like hmm starting to struggle to keep up this 00:21:02.357 --> 00:21:09.337 isn't fun no and making video on the internet exactly and that that was honestly 00:21:09.337 --> 00:21:13.817 the light bulb of me being like wait a second maybe I should pursue something 00:21:13.817 --> 00:21:18.057 that I enjoy instead of something that is just 00:21:18.237 --> 00:21:22.517 maybe that I'm good, you know, that I'm good at, but I feel nothing for. 00:21:23.277 --> 00:21:28.277 I just think now you would be, because of people like you, people are thinking 00:21:28.277 --> 00:21:31.217 in the complete opposite way. And I just find that really fascinating. 00:21:31.437 --> 00:21:34.757 Thanks for listening to part one of my conversation with Sarah Lane. 00:21:34.797 --> 00:21:38.237 I hope you enjoyed it. Make sure you tune in for part two. 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:47.575 Music.