WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:11.760 Music. 00:00:12.543 --> 00:00:17.203 Welcome to TV Plus Talk. I'm Chuck Joyner. She is... 00:00:17.823 --> 00:00:21.883 I'm Charlotte Henry. Hello again, Chuck. How are you, Charlotte? Great to see you. 00:00:22.303 --> 00:00:25.983 All the better for talking TV Plus with you. Exactly, exactly. 00:00:26.963 --> 00:00:30.683 So, do you think we should tell them about our announcement now, 00:00:30.823 --> 00:00:32.403 or should we save it for the end of the show? 00:00:33.223 --> 00:00:36.043 Oh no, I'd like people to keep hanging on. We've got a lot to talk about. 00:00:36.043 --> 00:00:39.323 Also a good bit of context is 00:00:39.323 --> 00:00:41.983 that we basically created the show so we could 00:00:41.983 --> 00:00:46.123 just sit about and chat every few weeks so you 00:00:46.123 --> 00:00:49.843 know we don't want to admit that but you know this is why we did the show so 00:00:49.843 --> 00:00:53.883 that's why we're all good hanging out here but we we have big news don't we 00:00:53.883 --> 00:01:00.863 to kick off with from apple tv plus land we do and it's i i've i admit when 00:01:00.863 --> 00:01:04.723 i saw this i'm kind of back and forth because it's nothing definite, 00:01:04.883 --> 00:01:07.703 but it definitely is positive. 00:01:09.063 --> 00:01:11.823 And that is, I'll let you break it. Is it? Okay. 00:01:11.963 --> 00:01:20.143 So Deadline have announced, have reported exclusively, that Ted Lasso is heading 00:01:20.143 --> 00:01:21.843 towards a green light for season four. 00:01:22.383 --> 00:01:26.063 Three of the key cast members have been picked up and are ready to go. 00:01:26.683 --> 00:01:30.063 They are Hannah Waddingham, who obviously plays Rebecca Walton, 00:01:30.703 --> 00:01:34.823 Brett Goldstein, who plays Roy Kent, and Jeremy Swift, who plays Leslie Higgins, 00:01:34.903 --> 00:01:36.603 who's the director of Football Operations. 00:01:38.003 --> 00:01:42.543 You will notice one name that is not in that list, and we will come to that in a minute. 00:01:44.143 --> 00:01:48.163 So there's a few things here. It is hugely popular. 00:01:49.123 --> 00:01:52.763 It's basically the biggest hit Apple TV Plus have had before or since. 00:01:53.163 --> 00:01:56.203 Nothing has beaten it since, really. Severance was hugely well. 00:01:56.543 --> 00:01:59.063 I don't think, but nothing has been as popular, has it? 00:02:00.063 --> 00:02:05.383 No, I mean, and we've talked about it. Everyone's talked about how Ted Lasso 00:02:05.383 --> 00:02:10.803 came along at exactly the right time when people needed it, as well as it being 00:02:10.803 --> 00:02:12.263 just a great show regardless. 00:02:13.203 --> 00:02:14.783 And I'm really pleased you mentioned 00:02:14.783 --> 00:02:19.623 that because that gives some good context for my take on this. So. 00:02:21.563 --> 00:02:25.483 Um what's your take then i'm just thinking i'm 00:02:25.483 --> 00:02:29.263 gonna hold fire okay all right um listen 00:02:29.263 --> 00:02:34.083 i i thoroughly enjoyed ted lasso i was a little bit of a late comer to it because 00:02:34.083 --> 00:02:39.563 all the promotions and everything were the it just wasn't the kind of show that 00:02:39.563 --> 00:02:44.983 i would usually gravitate toward pandemic or not so i'm for me i took the pandemic 00:02:44.983 --> 00:02:47.723 completely out of the equation And it's just like, okay, 00:02:48.103 --> 00:02:50.483 maybe I'll get around to it. 00:02:50.643 --> 00:02:54.403 Well, there was so much buzz around it that I did dive in. And eventually, 00:02:54.483 --> 00:02:57.163 after I dove in, I really, really loved it. 00:02:57.423 --> 00:03:02.983 I don't feel like it had maybe, for me, the appeal wasn't the emotional appeal 00:03:02.983 --> 00:03:06.823 that some people had, but it was a terrific comedy. 00:03:06.823 --> 00:03:13.603 The characters are just quirky enough to be really enjoyable without being completely unbelievable. 00:03:14.343 --> 00:03:16.003 Maybe only partially unbelievable. 00:03:16.863 --> 00:03:20.403 And I've enjoyed every season. 00:03:21.003 --> 00:03:25.263 There were some episodes. You've enjoyed every season. I enjoyed every season. 00:03:25.363 --> 00:03:28.883 There were some storylines that maybe weren't as good as others. 00:03:29.023 --> 00:03:33.083 But I can't say there was anything that ever really turned me off or said, 00:03:33.103 --> 00:03:37.803 gee, I wish they hadn't done that. It was just like any other episodic show. 00:03:38.063 --> 00:03:43.023 Some are absolutely perfect, and others are not so much. 00:03:43.403 --> 00:03:48.503 So that was my take on it. And so, therefore, I am delighted to see another 00:03:48.503 --> 00:03:51.003 season in the works of some kind. 00:03:52.103 --> 00:03:55.943 And I'll go this far, and then I'll let you take it. 00:03:56.943 --> 00:04:01.963 But when the last season shut down, there was all kind of discussion. 00:04:02.203 --> 00:04:07.343 Will there be another season? Will there be a spinoff? And so to your point, 00:04:07.443 --> 00:04:12.683 you know, a character has not been secured yet or an actor has not been secured yet. 00:04:12.883 --> 00:04:14.983 So it leaves sort of the gate swinging. 00:04:15.203 --> 00:04:19.503 Would this be a continuation or would it be a spinoff? 00:04:20.143 --> 00:04:24.543 Frankly, with the three characters that have signed on, I will watch it because 00:04:24.543 --> 00:04:29.483 even if it is a spinoff, I feel like it has a lot of chance of being something 00:04:29.483 --> 00:04:32.363 that I will enjoy. That's my take. What's yours? 00:04:33.239 --> 00:04:39.319 But I really enjoyed hearing that. My take has got a few bits of context I should give. 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:44.239 First of all, I interviewed Bill Lawrence in my previous role at the Mac Observer 00:04:44.239 --> 00:04:48.879 and was the journalist that broke that it had been written as a three-season arc. 00:04:49.139 --> 00:04:52.859 Everyone came to that at the beginning of season three, but I'd known that from 00:04:52.859 --> 00:04:54.639 season one and published it in an article. 00:04:55.119 --> 00:04:59.379 So I'm deeply resentful if they've changed what they've told me. 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:02.739 So there's one bit of context. context the second bit 00:05:02.739 --> 00:05:06.479 of context is I loved season one I'm really 00:05:06.479 --> 00:05:09.979 you know I think I probably binge watched I really enjoyed season one really 00:05:09.979 --> 00:05:12.879 did not enjoy season two thought of 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:18.679 season two it took itself far far far far far too seriously and it only redeemed 00:05:18.679 --> 00:05:23.399 itself towards the end of season three and I think they ended season three in 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:29.999 exactly the right way I sent you the clip of the real-life goal that I think, 00:05:30.019 --> 00:05:31.219 and the real-life football match, 00:05:31.459 --> 00:05:36.799 that I think the end of Season 3 was meant to build on. 00:05:38.379 --> 00:05:42.139 Sorry, I'm not doing spoiler alerts for Ted Lasso. People watching this show 00:05:42.139 --> 00:05:44.539 or listening to this show haven't watched Ted Lasso. 00:05:45.039 --> 00:05:49.019 Obviously, at the end, you think that Richmond have won the title. 00:05:49.299 --> 00:05:53.499 They haven't because in the other game, a goal has been scored right at the 00:05:53.499 --> 00:05:58.159 end, and it's basically replicating the Sergio Aguero, Man City, Man United moment. 00:05:58.459 --> 00:06:02.299 I thought it was a really lovely way to end it. You see Ted going back home. 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:07.119 Really, having not loved a decent chunk of it, I thought they ended it really well. 00:06:08.599 --> 00:06:11.319 And now we get to the crucial bit, which you were hinting at. 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:17.519 The name we have not heard in this story is Jason Sudeikis, who originally created 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:23.379 the character in that NBC advert, who is a co-creator of the show. 00:06:23.379 --> 00:06:28.779 He's one of the executive producers and, you know, along with Brendan Hunt, 00:06:28.859 --> 00:06:31.559 who is Coach Beard and so on. 00:06:32.579 --> 00:06:37.639 Some of the technicalities of this. So the three actors we named who are in 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:42.519 the stories having signed up are all members of the UK Actors Union Equity. 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:49.499 So the deal for those three has been done, looks to be done via that union. Right. 00:06:50.389 --> 00:06:57.069 Whereas the others, Jason Sudeikis and Brendan Hunt, are, as I read this article, 00:06:57.169 --> 00:06:59.549 part of SAG-AFTRA, the American Union. 00:06:59.829 --> 00:07:04.769 And that might also include Keely Jones, which is played by Juno Temple. 00:07:05.029 --> 00:07:09.809 So even though Juno Temple is British, my reading is that she's part of SAG-AFTRA, not Equity. 00:07:10.289 --> 00:07:15.909 So they're obviously going to have to do some kind of union negotiation over in the US as well, 00:07:15.909 --> 00:07:19.249 which is kind of interesting given all the actor strikes 00:07:19.249 --> 00:07:24.449 and everything not that far in the distance um another thing that jumped out 00:07:24.449 --> 00:07:27.869 to me is phil dunster who plays jamie tart one of the really big characters 00:07:27.869 --> 00:07:32.869 in the show doesn't seem to have been picked up at all he's in a couple of things 00:07:32.869 --> 00:07:36.429 as well so that's interesting that he's not doesn't seem to be a mainstay of 00:07:36.429 --> 00:07:38.109 whatever whatever this show is, 00:07:38.209 --> 00:07:45.189 I kind of think we might be heading towards a spinoff, not season four. 00:07:45.369 --> 00:07:48.569 The story does say season four, and it's written by really good journalists. 00:07:48.629 --> 00:07:52.549 So I don't want to disagree too much with what's actually reported. 00:07:52.789 --> 00:07:56.989 But my instinct says spinoff, not fourth season. 00:07:58.389 --> 00:08:03.429 What's your take on that? Well, I'm not sure I have a take, but this is why 00:08:03.429 --> 00:08:08.469 I love having these conversations with you, because you are a much more immersed in this world. 00:08:08.929 --> 00:08:13.769 And I've completely overlooked or just wasn't reading the right articles that 00:08:13.769 --> 00:08:17.269 had anything to do with the actors' guilds or the actors' unions. 00:08:17.769 --> 00:08:22.549 And so I had no idea. And as someone who is not in that world, 00:08:22.609 --> 00:08:26.609 other than obviously, how do you not hear about the saga afterwards? 00:08:27.514 --> 00:08:31.894 Right, exactly. No, nor am I particularly, but it did jump out at me when I 00:08:31.894 --> 00:08:32.714 read the deadline. Right. 00:08:32.834 --> 00:08:35.474 I mean, you know, I tend to think of, well, an actor's an actor. 00:08:35.574 --> 00:08:39.534 And, you know, if they're based in Kathmandu, who cares? You know, they can do whatever. 00:08:39.794 --> 00:08:41.934 If they get an offer, they can go wherever they want. 00:08:42.354 --> 00:08:48.434 And there is a lot of, based on what you said, there's a lot of backstory and 00:08:48.434 --> 00:08:52.954 back action that has to take place before any of these things occur. 00:08:52.954 --> 00:08:58.054 So, I mean, that makes me wonder a little more, as you said, 00:08:58.194 --> 00:09:03.634 about the possibility of just a spinoff. Just a spinoff. 00:09:03.994 --> 00:09:07.174 Sorry, I did not mean to characterize it as any lower tier. 00:09:07.434 --> 00:09:11.174 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, again, the characters that were created by these 00:09:11.174 --> 00:09:14.114 actors and by these writers are so good. 00:09:14.414 --> 00:09:19.014 You know, they end up – you care about them, you enjoy their interactions. 00:09:20.454 --> 00:09:25.034 It's just – I'm nodding along vociferously or rigorously. 00:09:25.094 --> 00:09:29.414 Yeah, and I'm still shocked in some ways because it's just usually not the kind 00:09:29.414 --> 00:09:32.094 of show that I am attracted to. 00:09:32.554 --> 00:09:38.794 And it sort of brings up as a sidebar on this, Mythic Quest is another one that 00:09:38.794 --> 00:09:40.314 I had the same reaction to. 00:09:40.414 --> 00:09:44.534 I watched it because – actually, Ken Ray was the one that really got me to try 00:09:44.534 --> 00:09:46.694 to watch it. And once I did, I loved it. 00:09:47.014 --> 00:09:51.234 So sometimes it's good. Best thing on Apple TV+. Yeah, sometimes it's good to 00:09:51.234 --> 00:09:57.714 break out of your zone where you feel comfortable or where you think you're going to enjoy a show. 00:09:58.034 --> 00:10:01.794 And both of those shows turned me from being like, all right, 00:10:01.874 --> 00:10:08.594 I'll watch an episode or two just to pacify my friends to being big fans of both shows. 00:10:11.567 --> 00:10:14.547 Um there's a cut let's talk we've got to talk about Jason 00:10:14.547 --> 00:10:17.807 Sudeikis because obviously the whole thing is built around him 00:10:17.807 --> 00:10:21.967 he created the character in that original NBC advert which as I always have 00:10:21.967 --> 00:10:27.407 to point out features the team I support Tottenham Hotspur he's there um that's 00:10:27.407 --> 00:10:33.107 very important to know in that original NBC and Ted Lasso is Jason Sudeikis 00:10:33.107 --> 00:10:34.947 Jason Sudeikis is Ted Lasso right Right. 00:10:35.747 --> 00:10:40.867 I don't know how you can have a show unless Jason Sudeikis is fully in. 00:10:41.227 --> 00:10:46.927 And remember, the show ends with him leaving the United Kingdom to go back to his family. Right. 00:10:47.767 --> 00:10:51.687 Right. I don't see how a show called Ted Lasso can exist. 00:10:51.867 --> 00:10:55.867 I think you could definitely have a spinoff about what happens next at Richmond. 00:10:56.707 --> 00:10:59.947 You know, I think you can do that because of the things that were hinted at 00:10:59.947 --> 00:11:01.687 at the end in that final sequence. 00:11:01.687 --> 00:11:04.487 Sequence what i don't know it 00:11:04.487 --> 00:11:07.467 can be called ted lasso um i agree 00:11:07.467 --> 00:11:10.247 i mean i agree that if the star character is not 00:11:10.247 --> 00:11:15.947 there you really can't you know the unless he's and then he becomes a character 00:11:15.947 --> 00:11:20.467 you know he does cameo appearances of some kind and then that doesn't work so 00:11:20.467 --> 00:11:26.187 i can think of a couple storylines uh that would work for a spinoff unless they 00:11:26.187 --> 00:11:29.387 just took it in a complete left-hand turn and said, no, 00:11:29.487 --> 00:11:31.847 we're going to do something completely different with these characters. 00:11:33.067 --> 00:11:39.867 But I almost feel like the only bad outcome of this article and what we're hearing 00:11:39.867 --> 00:11:41.647 would be if nothing happened. 00:11:42.147 --> 00:11:46.247 I feel like anything that comes to light, I'm going to watch. 00:11:46.367 --> 00:11:50.027 And the odds, I feel like the odds are in my favor that I will enjoy. 00:11:52.064 --> 00:11:56.884 Yes, I would like to watch it and enjoy it so long as they don't take themselves too seriously. 00:11:57.064 --> 00:12:00.504 There's another name I've just realised is not mentioned at all in this article, 00:12:00.684 --> 00:12:02.824 which is Nit Muhammad, who plays Nate. 00:12:03.384 --> 00:12:07.984 Now, of course, we could have a storyline and the writers call me if you want to commission this. 00:12:08.304 --> 00:12:13.204 We could obviously have the storyline where Nate returns to manage Richmond. 00:12:15.744 --> 00:12:20.024 And that could be one version of the spin off. You could also have a thing called 00:12:20.024 --> 00:12:22.764 Ted Lasso where Ted is back in the U.S. and Richmond carries on. 00:12:22.824 --> 00:12:26.264 But I think that would lose a lot of the power of what. 00:12:27.344 --> 00:12:31.624 The truth is, I am pleased that they ended it after three seasons. 00:12:31.904 --> 00:12:36.584 I thought that was a really brave, bold decision to end your most popular thing, 00:12:36.704 --> 00:12:40.224 to end it, you know, not perfectly, but really nicely. 00:12:40.284 --> 00:12:44.424 It all tied up well. Well, I think it would be a real shame if they insisted 00:12:44.424 --> 00:12:49.064 on kind of, if they didn't have the courage of their convictions to walk away 00:12:49.064 --> 00:12:51.304 again. I can see a spinoff being good. 00:12:51.544 --> 00:12:56.904 I can see some of the other characters who are not 10 are strong enough that 00:12:56.904 --> 00:13:02.604 you could build a show around them. I do think that is possible. 00:13:03.864 --> 00:13:07.744 And we've heard in different interviews, I'm sure I've read and seen interviews 00:13:07.744 --> 00:13:13.104 where the people in the show kind of talk that they're not killing the Ted Lasso 00:13:13.104 --> 00:13:15.984 universe entirely, but they're not doing that show anymore. 00:13:16.224 --> 00:13:21.204 I always thought we were going to have either Christmas specials or a movie. Mm-hmm. 00:13:22.213 --> 00:13:25.773 But a spinoff is another – of course it's a possibility. 00:13:26.233 --> 00:13:29.593 And of course season four is. There might be so much money floating around that 00:13:29.593 --> 00:13:32.953 it's too much to say no to. It's entirely possible. 00:13:34.333 --> 00:13:37.853 But I always assumed it would be a spinoff or one-off things. 00:13:38.073 --> 00:13:41.733 Yeah. And for the folks who are watching this on video, I apologize because 00:13:41.733 --> 00:13:46.853 when you mentioned Nate, I think I winced a little bit because I feel like he 00:13:46.853 --> 00:13:49.873 was – and taking nothing away from the actor. 00:13:49.873 --> 00:13:58.753 But just the character himself was so – I don't feel like that's a strong enough 00:13:58.753 --> 00:14:02.213 character to bring back as a main focus. 00:14:02.493 --> 00:14:08.113 And if he does come back as the coach, okay, I've – Controversial. 00:14:08.113 --> 00:14:13.013 Well, I will reserve judgment to see what happens. 00:14:13.293 --> 00:14:18.773 But that feels like that storyline might prove a little more challenging, 00:14:18.893 --> 00:14:21.993 at least for me, at least my assumptions going in. 00:14:23.373 --> 00:14:27.333 Go on then. What do you want to happen to AFC Richmond? What were your desired storylines? 00:14:27.513 --> 00:14:32.113 Oh, I don't have to. I mean, frankly, in some ways, Nate could do it, 00:14:32.133 --> 00:14:33.713 but then it would turn negative. 00:14:33.853 --> 00:14:38.673 But if you brought in a completely different kind of coach that was maybe a 00:14:38.673 --> 00:14:46.093 bit more hard-boiled and the conflicts there of trying to either get him to 00:14:46.093 --> 00:14:48.253 soften up or get the rest of the crew to harden up, 00:14:48.393 --> 00:14:52.933 that could be compelling. But I'm not sure. 00:14:53.193 --> 00:14:56.513 And of course, Roy Kent could do it. Absolutely. 00:14:56.833 --> 00:15:01.333 Yeah, now that could be just a flat-out riot. Yeah. 00:15:03.515 --> 00:15:06.635 Anyway, we'll wait and see. We're obviously going to have to keep covering this, 00:15:06.695 --> 00:15:09.195 aren't we, Chuck, because it's the biggest Apple TV Plus show. 00:15:09.355 --> 00:15:12.635 Yeah, but I'm not going to let you get away. You just forced me into what I 00:15:12.635 --> 00:15:15.855 wanted to see have happened originally. How about you? 00:15:18.795 --> 00:15:22.875 Honestly, I don't think they should return to the universe. I think they should 00:15:22.875 --> 00:15:24.215 have wrapped it up very nicely. 00:15:24.735 --> 00:15:31.415 If they are going to, I would kind of like to see a movie a year on where it's 00:15:31.415 --> 00:15:33.015 kind of everyone's reflecting. 00:15:33.515 --> 00:15:38.195 Maybe I quite like the idea of Roy Kent coming back as the manager and we see 00:15:38.195 --> 00:15:40.895 it from there. I don't quite know how it's going to work. 00:15:41.195 --> 00:15:45.595 You know, we saw at the end them trying to build the women's team at Richmond, all of that stuff. 00:15:45.695 --> 00:15:49.555 There are angles that could go down. 00:15:49.695 --> 00:15:52.695 I think it probably would have to have one of the mainstay characters, 00:15:52.695 --> 00:15:56.195 characters either coach beard or um 00:15:56.195 --> 00:15:59.135 roy kent managing the team though 00:15:59.135 --> 00:16:01.795 i think if you i don't think 00:16:01.795 --> 00:16:05.375 you can go back to the beginning of like having another unknown 00:16:05.375 --> 00:16:09.535 manager trying to win over the team okay 00:16:09.535 --> 00:16:14.595 i think that would be too repetitive okay that's interesting perspective okay 00:16:14.595 --> 00:16:19.875 well you say that when you think i'm wrong i love no no no i i don't think you're 00:16:19.875 --> 00:16:25.735 wrong um i you know i But somewhere there has to be that – because, 00:16:25.855 --> 00:16:28.835 look, if you look back at how it happened the first time, 00:16:29.555 --> 00:16:34.475 there was not a conflict but a challenge to understand each other, 00:16:34.595 --> 00:16:36.655 especially with the two different cultures. 00:16:37.815 --> 00:16:40.535 That was the whole story. Yeah, the U.S. culture and the English culture. 00:16:40.835 --> 00:16:46.855 So could you replicate that but maybe not have it be U.S.-U.K.? 00:16:46.855 --> 00:16:51.795 Have it be something else U.K.? I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. 00:16:52.175 --> 00:16:54.595 Yeah, but that's why I'm saying I think that might be quite repetitive. 00:16:56.735 --> 00:17:01.475 Unless you had someone that was just so radically different than Ted Lasso, 00:17:02.035 --> 00:17:03.875 then it could come off as a different show. 00:17:05.532 --> 00:17:07.692 Yeah, maybe. It'd be really interesting to see what they do. 00:17:08.352 --> 00:17:13.532 The only part of me that wants them to do it is just because I'm intrigued how they would do it. 00:17:14.532 --> 00:17:18.832 Agreed. I hope we see it. I really do. In whatever version. 00:17:20.272 --> 00:17:23.632 Yeah. And to emphasize, I was right about the three-season arc. Thank you. 00:17:25.232 --> 00:17:26.572 I'm not going to argue the point. 00:17:28.452 --> 00:17:33.012 My reporting was correct. That's all I can say. so 00:17:33.012 --> 00:17:36.012 the other thing that we well we had a couple other things you notice how 00:17:36.012 --> 00:17:38.872 i'm just glossing over i'm just i'm giving a show at the last word 00:17:38.872 --> 00:17:42.092 um so the other thing 00:17:42.092 --> 00:17:45.212 i wanted to bring up is that um i'm i 00:17:45.212 --> 00:17:49.972 look i'm way behind i've got a watch list as long as your arm and i just don't 00:17:49.972 --> 00:17:57.732 watch that much tv but i did recently finish off dark matter and it was spectacular 00:17:57.732 --> 00:18:04.632 and i finished it about a week before they announced that it's getting a second season. 00:18:05.612 --> 00:18:10.432 And at the end of the first season, as I finished watching it, 00:18:10.512 --> 00:18:16.672 it was one of those rare instances where they shut the door on the story and 00:18:16.672 --> 00:18:18.572 it could easily have stopped right there. 00:18:18.812 --> 00:18:20.872 Or it could easily have gone on. 00:18:21.192 --> 00:18:27.352 And that's a true art from a writer's perspective to be able to do that, 00:18:27.352 --> 00:18:32.112 to tie things up and yet leave an opening that is not a cliffhanger or is not 00:18:32.112 --> 00:18:33.772 just so glaringly obvious. 00:18:34.492 --> 00:18:35.952 And so I, I, 00:18:36.824 --> 00:18:42.564 I love Dark Matter. I'm extremely excited that they decided to do another season. 00:18:43.464 --> 00:18:46.224 Charlotte's sort of like you, though. I get concerned because, 00:18:46.304 --> 00:18:49.844 man, the first one was so good. I just hope the second one lives up to it. 00:18:50.124 --> 00:18:52.984 So just like Ted Lasso, I hope it lives up to it. 00:18:54.204 --> 00:18:59.304 Yeah, it's always the risk, isn't it? What was it that made you love the show so much? 00:19:00.804 --> 00:19:03.544 First of all, you're a big sci-fi fan, so for you to 00:19:03.544 --> 00:19:06.204 pick out a particular sci-fi show tells me me 00:19:06.204 --> 00:19:09.524 that there's something seriously good about it to and 00:19:09.524 --> 00:19:12.944 there's a lot of good sci-fi on apple tv plus so 00:19:12.944 --> 00:19:17.684 for it to be even ahead of the quite the shows you've already talked about here 00:19:17.684 --> 00:19:21.784 that you've enjoyed tells me something but what was it that you particularly 00:19:21.784 --> 00:19:26.944 like i i like first of all it's i i don't mind saying i like a show that just 00:19:26.944 --> 00:19:31.984 doesn't spoon feed me um everything thing that makes me pay attention. 00:19:32.464 --> 00:19:38.724 It's a show that doesn't let me do the laundry while I'm trying to watch it 00:19:38.724 --> 00:19:44.924 on my iPad, that insists that I pay attention to it or I will be completely lost. 00:19:45.584 --> 00:19:51.444 It grabs you right out of the gate and you don't know exactly what's going on. 00:19:51.924 --> 00:19:55.624 And that just continues. And once you do figure out what's going on, 00:19:55.744 --> 00:20:01.724 then the story continues. use, but it continues in a very compelling fashion 00:20:01.724 --> 00:20:03.864 and takes some twists and turns. 00:20:04.024 --> 00:20:08.244 And you'll notice I'm trying desperately to avoid spoilers because I don't- 00:20:08.244 --> 00:20:10.144 Yes, I think not so on this show. 00:20:10.264 --> 00:20:13.004 Yeah, and it would be so difficult, I'm afraid, to spoil things, 00:20:13.224 --> 00:20:16.764 except to say that you really do have to pay attention to it. 00:20:18.544 --> 00:20:23.344 In that regard, that's why I've enjoyed Foundation so much on Apple TV+. 00:20:24.684 --> 00:20:27.844 It's not a series that you can watch lightly. 00:20:27.844 --> 00:20:32.944 You can't you really can't turn away because there's just it's too dense and 00:20:32.944 --> 00:20:38.744 it's too too intense um if you're going to follow the story and enjoy it so 00:20:38.744 --> 00:20:41.364 that's fascinating that's for me. 00:20:43.204 --> 00:20:47.764 As i say you're a big sci-fi fan and you're a big apple tv plus sci-fi fan you 00:20:47.764 --> 00:20:51.824 and i have discussed before and people should go jump back to the episodes uh 00:20:51.824 --> 00:20:55.044 we'd love you to listen back Because we had a whole discussion about why Apple 00:20:55.044 --> 00:20:57.664 has carved out such a niche in sci-fi. 00:20:57.744 --> 00:21:02.144 And I really think it has. And listening to this show, you talk about dark matter, 00:21:02.224 --> 00:21:04.444 re-emphasizes that for me. 00:21:05.244 --> 00:21:11.724 Is there stuff that makes it stand out above and beyond the other Apple TV Plus sci-fi? No. 00:21:13.013 --> 00:21:20.313 No, I don't think so. But I think there's some similar characteristics here, 00:21:20.413 --> 00:21:25.853 that they aren't just sticking somebody on a spaceship and trying to tell a story. 00:21:25.933 --> 00:21:30.293 That they're trying to pick really good sci-fi. 00:21:30.613 --> 00:21:35.033 And there's some other sci-fi out there on some of the other networks that is 00:21:35.033 --> 00:21:41.633 really good that would fit into this same category of not spoon-feeding me. 00:21:41.633 --> 00:21:49.593 And I'm afraid that if I give an example of spoon feeding, that I will offend someone. 00:21:50.293 --> 00:21:54.733 And so even if I would go to another genre and give an example of spoon feeding, 00:21:54.773 --> 00:21:56.873 I will offend someone. So I'm not going to do that. 00:21:57.253 --> 00:22:02.853 Be bold. No, no, no, no, because I don't need hate mail. See how I like getting 00:22:02.853 --> 00:22:05.173 you into trouble but resist it when you try and do it to me. 00:22:05.993 --> 00:22:13.733 Yeah. So, but again, I think though that this, this to me speaks of the whole 00:22:13.733 --> 00:22:18.493 Apple TV plus philosophy right back to the, when it was announced and Tim Cook 00:22:18.493 --> 00:22:20.273 said, we want to tell great stories. 00:22:20.853 --> 00:22:25.393 So many of the great of the, the sci-fi stories anyway, have been great. 00:22:25.593 --> 00:22:32.713 So many of the comedies have been generally funny, but also they are great stories. 00:22:32.713 --> 00:22:36.133 I know you're a huge fan of Shrinking, and Shrinking is coming back. 00:22:37.313 --> 00:22:39.973 Yes. I know we have another favorite. I'm excited for that. Yeah, 00:22:39.973 --> 00:22:42.973 there's another one, another show that you're dying for that you – oh, 00:22:42.973 --> 00:22:46.833 it's not going to steal your thunder of announcing its return in just a few 00:22:46.833 --> 00:22:48.793 days as we record this. Oh, yes. 00:22:49.193 --> 00:22:53.733 But, you know, that's it. If you look at the quality of Apple TV+, 00:22:53.733 --> 00:22:58.653 it's not – okay, so I am going to get in trouble. 00:22:58.753 --> 00:23:03.333 Here you go, Charlotte. You wanted it, you got it. it's not dumbing everything down. 00:23:04.830 --> 00:23:10.630 It is not dumbing everything down like so many of the network TV comedies and 00:23:10.630 --> 00:23:13.110 even some of the non-network TV shows. 00:23:13.710 --> 00:23:16.850 It makes you think. It makes you speculate. 00:23:18.130 --> 00:23:24.150 That, to me, I thoroughly enjoy because it challenges me, maybe not in necessarily 00:23:24.150 --> 00:23:28.390 an intellectual way, but just in a how to follow the story or how to make sense 00:23:28.390 --> 00:23:29.570 of what's happening kind of way. 00:23:30.850 --> 00:23:34.630 I mean, a great example of that for me, and it's an example I use a lot when 00:23:34.630 --> 00:23:38.350 we talk about Apple TV Plus, and it is one of the comedies, not one of the sci-fi 00:23:38.350 --> 00:23:43.010 shows, is the COVID episode of Mythic Quest, 00:23:43.250 --> 00:23:48.370 which I think was the best bit of TV going that depicted the pandemic. 00:23:48.530 --> 00:23:55.370 I thought it was beautifully, beautifully done. And I mean that word deliberately and sincerely. 00:23:56.050 --> 00:24:00.730 And that showed exactly what you're talking about. It wasn't straightforward. 00:24:01.070 --> 00:24:04.050 It wasn't spoon-feeding. reading it was took a 00:24:04.050 --> 00:24:07.530 couple of different turns it was complicated and it was 00:24:07.530 --> 00:24:10.490 really neatly done and i guess this is all why it all comes back 00:24:10.490 --> 00:24:13.570 to people keep calling apple tv plus the streaming hbo don't 00:24:13.570 --> 00:24:19.390 know yeah and and i'd like to think that there's in in the societies we have 00:24:19.390 --> 00:24:26.010 today on both sides of the atlantic that there is a place for a an hbo style 00:24:26.010 --> 00:24:33.290 quality streaming service or a quality production house or whatever you want to consider it, 00:24:33.950 --> 00:24:37.530 that there is still a place for this kind of entertainment and not the dumbed-down 00:24:37.530 --> 00:24:40.870 stuff we get from so many of the different channels. 00:24:42.901 --> 00:24:46.181 Yeah, I mean, I'm not the great intellectual mind you are, and I thoroughly 00:24:46.181 --> 00:24:51.161 approve of low culture and dumbed-down TV, but I think you're absolutely right 00:24:51.161 --> 00:24:53.881 about how you describe the Apple TV Plus content. 00:24:54.121 --> 00:24:57.561 We don't have a date, I assume, for the next season of Dark Matter. 00:24:57.581 --> 00:25:00.421 We just know it's happening, right? That's the worst I saw, yeah. I didn't see a date. 00:25:02.921 --> 00:25:05.661 Well, maybe I'll have to dive into that one. 00:25:06.021 --> 00:25:09.081 The show you referenced before that I'm very excited 00:25:09.081 --> 00:25:12.561 about is season three 00:25:12.561 --> 00:25:16.141 of slow horses um i 00:25:16.141 --> 00:25:18.881 i need to catch up with season two i confess i 00:25:18.881 --> 00:25:23.041 absolutely flew through season one which i loved i think i'm going to give a 00:25:23.041 --> 00:25:27.401 binge watch to season two because it's coming out this is really nice i could 00:25:27.401 --> 00:25:30.941 have done this for my just before my birthday my birthday's on the 5th of september 00:25:30.941 --> 00:25:36.141 uh season the next slow horses coming out on the 4th of 00:25:36.181 --> 00:25:41.321 september so we've got a bit of binge watching to do but given the quality of 00:25:41.321 --> 00:25:45.041 the show i think we can all really look forward to it right oh absolutely absolutely 00:25:45.041 --> 00:25:50.281 it is another it's not in the sci-fi genre but it is absolutely another one 00:25:50.281 --> 00:25:53.881 of those quality shows that that grabs you and, 00:25:54.501 --> 00:26:00.721 doesn't spoon spoon feed you and i that that's that that is in from coming from 00:26:00.721 --> 00:26:02.381 me that's about with the highest praise I can give it. 00:26:03.601 --> 00:26:08.941 Yeah, yeah. Nice, nicely based in London as well, which is obviously very good indeed. 00:26:09.501 --> 00:26:12.381 For those that don't know, it's about a team of, 00:26:13.248 --> 00:26:18.688 supposedly useless mi5 agents their little team is led by jackson lamb who's played by, 00:26:19.228 --> 00:26:22.008 brilliantly played by gary oldman if you 00:26:22.008 --> 00:26:25.248 haven't if you've avoided it so far definitely definitely 00:26:25.248 --> 00:26:28.668 watch it's brilliant you'll enjoy it agreed agreed 00:26:28.668 --> 00:26:31.448 um a couple of others 00:26:31.448 --> 00:26:34.048 before we wrap up chuck these are i don't know 00:26:34.048 --> 00:26:37.488 if these are going to be shows for us but worth shouting out we've 00:26:37.488 --> 00:26:40.308 got season two of bad sisters on the way that's coming on 00:26:40.308 --> 00:26:43.168 the 13th of november that show is 00:26:43.168 --> 00:26:45.968 about uh it follows a set of 00:26:45.968 --> 00:26:49.708 sisters called the garvey sisters um one of 00:26:49.708 --> 00:26:54.788 their husbands had a quote-unquote accidental death and it sort of follows the 00:26:54.788 --> 00:27:00.568 family then following that as i say accidental death of grace's abusive husband 00:27:00.568 --> 00:27:04.448 so we've got some of that to look forward to you've got some time to catch up 00:27:04.448 --> 00:27:09.368 with it as well it's 13th of november that's coming out and just before Before you and I hit record, 00:27:09.528 --> 00:27:15.128 Chuck, a trailer for a show called La Maison was released by Apple TV+. 00:27:15.128 --> 00:27:16.688 It's a kind of high drama. 00:27:17.688 --> 00:27:23.108 It's about a French fashion empire, which should be intriguing as well. 00:27:23.688 --> 00:27:29.988 So there we go. There's a few things that are never slow on Apple TV+, now, are they? 00:27:30.348 --> 00:27:32.688 Long gone are the days where people say there's nothing on there. 00:27:33.008 --> 00:27:37.408 I'd like to think so. So, and again, you know, I thank you for giving us a quick 00:27:37.408 --> 00:27:38.568 update because you're right. 00:27:38.648 --> 00:27:42.828 A couple of those probably aren't going to fit my, they're not going to go on 00:27:42.828 --> 00:27:45.748 my watch list right away. Somebody else is going to have to convince me to get there. 00:27:46.588 --> 00:27:51.308 But we need to get more information out about what is coming and what is playing 00:27:51.308 --> 00:27:53.808 and what is available on Apple TV Plus. 00:27:54.048 --> 00:27:58.128 Because there's now so much good quality content that if you haven't already 00:27:58.128 --> 00:28:02.668 tried it, if you haven't consumed it, you really go back and at least give it a try. 00:28:02.668 --> 00:28:09.588 And stay away from the spoon feeding that other places give you and dig into some of these shows. 00:28:12.124 --> 00:28:17.084 Well, that is an almost beautifully planned link to our final little thing we want to say, 00:28:17.944 --> 00:28:23.384 which is that because there is so much on Apple TV+, and there are so many things 00:28:23.384 --> 00:28:28.664 to discuss, and to be honest, because we've so appreciated all of you guys watching, listening, 00:28:29.364 --> 00:28:33.404 getting involved in the show, we're going to do it a little bit more regularly, aren't we, Chuck? 00:28:33.684 --> 00:28:38.564 That's the plan. That's the plan. We're going to try to bring you at least two 00:28:38.564 --> 00:28:41.684 TV Plus Talk episodes a month. 00:28:42.924 --> 00:28:46.364 Sherwood and I have talked about it. We'd love to say, yes, every other Wednesday 00:28:46.364 --> 00:28:50.064 it's going to be this, and that's just not realistic with both of our schedules, 00:28:50.644 --> 00:28:52.104 our work schedules and all. 00:28:52.224 --> 00:28:57.284 But we are going to promise you more TV Plus Talk because we think that it's 00:28:57.284 --> 00:29:02.044 fun for us, and based on the feedback we've gotten from you, it's fun for you as well. 00:29:02.184 --> 00:29:10.344 So thank you so much for supporting us on this idea that is a show within two different properties. 00:29:11.204 --> 00:29:14.584 You know, it's weird. You can't really subscribe to TV Plus Talk directly. 00:29:15.024 --> 00:29:19.344 You either have to follow Charlotte's show or my show and get the episodes, 00:29:19.544 --> 00:29:21.224 but we really appreciate all the support. 00:29:22.504 --> 00:29:26.224 And you really should be following both anyway because we do loads of different things. 00:29:26.464 --> 00:29:29.184 And if you like this show, you're probably going to like both of our shows, 00:29:29.224 --> 00:29:30.604 right? Exactly, exactly. 00:29:31.184 --> 00:29:33.304 Yes, you will come away better educated. 00:29:35.264 --> 00:29:38.264 If you listen to your show yeah um and of course 00:29:38.264 --> 00:29:41.084 that basically means from september it's going 00:29:41.084 --> 00:29:44.504 to be fortnightly ish so keep 00:29:44.504 --> 00:29:48.064 tuned keep checking those feeds and your youtube subscriptions make 00:29:48.064 --> 00:29:53.184 sure you've got both of our podcast feeds and youtube channels you're subscribed 00:29:53.184 --> 00:29:57.044 and following both of those and then you won't miss anything because as chuck 00:29:57.044 --> 00:30:01.304 so neatly pointed out just before there's so much going on in apple tv plus 00:30:01.304 --> 00:30:05.024 land that we don't want to have to wait three weeks to talk about a big story. 00:30:05.104 --> 00:30:07.344 We want to be able to dive right in much quicker. 00:30:07.444 --> 00:30:09.964 And so that's what we're going to be doing. And we're really excited about it. 00:30:11.604 --> 00:30:15.964 Charlotte, where can folks find you? We referred to your other show, 00:30:16.264 --> 00:30:19.324 your other property. So let's start with that. Where can folks find you? 00:30:20.675 --> 00:30:24.215 Yeah, please head over to theedition.net. That's where I blog, 00:30:24.475 --> 00:30:27.875 publish newsletters, post podcast episodes, and so on. 00:30:27.915 --> 00:30:30.475 So if you head over there, you'll find everything from me. 00:30:30.675 --> 00:30:35.555 And across social media, Threads, Blue Sky, even sometimes X, 00:30:35.675 --> 00:30:36.915 I'm at Charlotte A. Hemery. 00:30:37.575 --> 00:30:42.415 You can find me at macvoices.com. That's where I talk to lots of interesting 00:30:42.415 --> 00:30:47.235 people with a tech focus and a more Apple focus. 00:30:47.235 --> 00:30:50.075 And of course you know we have a couple other 00:30:50.075 --> 00:30:53.095 things going as well but uh and we'd 00:30:53.095 --> 00:30:57.315 have a live show tuesday nights on youtube you're welcome to join that if you're 00:30:57.315 --> 00:31:01.975 in the u.s it's 8 p.m eastern 5 p.m pacific if you're in the uk it's probably 00:31:01.975 --> 00:31:07.395 a little late sorry about that um it's bedtime yeah but you won't miss out because 00:31:07.395 --> 00:31:11.695 those shows end up in our feeds as well so come and come and join us. 00:31:12.575 --> 00:31:15.495 Charlotte and you did actually let me on my voices once though well 00:31:15.495 --> 00:31:18.435 yeah if oh yeah and well and Charlotte showed 00:31:18.435 --> 00:31:21.095 up yeah we yeah you just uh 00:31:21.095 --> 00:31:27.475 showed up to discuss something a little bit not Apple TV plus but Apple-ish 00:31:27.475 --> 00:31:32.995 yeah we discussed uh the introduction of the use of iPhones in the English Premier 00:31:32.995 --> 00:31:36.715 League to judge offsides and use in VAR so that was a really fun conversation 00:31:36.715 --> 00:31:39.395 and Chuck always has great guests that you should check that out. 00:31:39.935 --> 00:31:45.555 So we will see you again and a little more often in the future next time on 00:31:45.555 --> 00:31:47.715 TV Plus Talk. Thanks for watching.