WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:11.440 Music. 00:00:12.002 --> 00:00:19.142 This is TV Plus Talk. I'm Chuck Joyner, and she is... I'm Charlotte Henry. Hello again. 00:00:20.062 --> 00:00:21.982 It's good to see you, Charlotte, as always. 00:00:23.162 --> 00:00:29.402 I'm pleased. I feel like we say this every month now, but there's so much happening in TV Plus land. 00:00:30.162 --> 00:00:33.442 There is, there is. But before we get to that, I think folks should know that 00:00:33.442 --> 00:00:35.822 you're playing Hurt, but you're here. 00:00:36.462 --> 00:00:39.162 Here oh yeah i'm uh i'm waiting for 00:00:39.162 --> 00:00:41.982 people looking at the camera yeah i managed to fracture my wrist 00:00:41.982 --> 00:00:45.402 playing football which i guess kind of means more tv 00:00:45.402 --> 00:00:50.142 watching time well that's a good way to look at it i'm sorry you fractured your 00:00:50.142 --> 00:00:56.182 wrist but you know i i think you deserve recognition that you you're still plotting 00:00:56.182 --> 00:01:04.982 on with all of you right there's too much going on to be uh to be to Too decommissioned. 00:01:05.262 --> 00:01:06.862 Yeah, exactly, exactly. 00:01:07.782 --> 00:01:11.182 Well, so where do you want to start? Because I know you had a lot of strong 00:01:11.182 --> 00:01:15.702 feelings about some of the things going on, as I do. Where do we start this month? 00:01:16.382 --> 00:01:19.302 I think we have to start on the roof of Apple Park, don't we? 00:01:20.042 --> 00:01:22.162 I think that's a great place to start. 00:01:23.322 --> 00:01:28.402 I mean, I'm going to embarrass you now, Chuck. How many years have you been 00:01:28.402 --> 00:01:30.162 watching WWDC keynotes for? 00:01:31.282 --> 00:01:34.362 I a long time i'm i'm 00:01:34.362 --> 00:01:37.982 i would not want to quantify it nor could i but 00:01:37.982 --> 00:01:46.842 it's been a long time yeah this one basically started with apple tv plus which 00:01:46.842 --> 00:01:52.082 i found very interesting and exciting very interesting you know it it i think 00:01:52.082 --> 00:01:54.942 it points to it point gives us a lot of different messages 00:01:55.162 --> 00:01:58.162 um about just how important apple tv plus 00:01:58.162 --> 00:02:01.922 is in apple's ecosystem now yeah 00:02:01.922 --> 00:02:04.802 i entirely agree now we're not 00:02:04.802 --> 00:02:07.982 i don't want to overstate it it's not like we've never seen big moments for 00:02:07.982 --> 00:02:13.642 tv plus in uh you know big apple keynotes even at the front of apple keynotes 00:02:13.642 --> 00:02:17.102 i can remember a few times that we've seen this kind of thing or trailers being 00:02:17.102 --> 00:02:22.762 announced mid-show but wwdc See, that's not even the target audience, is it? 00:02:22.782 --> 00:02:27.302 It's not like when you're trying to tell people about the new iPhone and then 00:02:27.302 --> 00:02:30.142 you're going to shove in a show that they're going to get for free when they 00:02:30.142 --> 00:02:32.442 buy the new iPhone. This is for developers, right? 00:02:32.662 --> 00:02:35.262 And they're still putting TV Plus right at the front. 00:02:36.562 --> 00:02:43.142 There have been dub-dubs where we saw some things that were more consumer-oriented. 00:02:43.882 --> 00:02:46.702 Sure. And that has changed over the years, hasn't it? 00:02:47.062 --> 00:02:49.822 That has evolved. There's no question about it. 00:02:49.822 --> 00:02:53.902 But your point is well taken, that even with that past history, 00:02:54.062 --> 00:02:57.062 if you think about what we saw this time, 00:02:57.262 --> 00:03:02.562 yeah, some of it could be seen as consumer-facing, but most of it really was 00:03:02.562 --> 00:03:06.542 developer-facing, even if it was from the standpoint of this is what we're going 00:03:06.542 --> 00:03:09.442 to give you that you'll be able to then create with. 00:03:11.013 --> 00:03:16.873 Yeah, right. It's just I find it extraordinary that – because there's been a 00:03:16.873 --> 00:03:22.053 temptation to kind of think that TV Plus is a bit of a silly side project, 00:03:22.173 --> 00:03:27.353 right, that they do and it's a nice way for Tim Cook to go to some nice gala dinners or whatever. 00:03:28.493 --> 00:03:34.473 But putting it in WWDC to me kind of indicates they really are taking it seriously. 00:03:36.213 --> 00:03:38.773 I don't think there's any question they're taking it seriously. 00:03:39.273 --> 00:03:41.113 I think there has been a question. 00:03:41.913 --> 00:03:44.693 Oh, there's – obviously, I think there's been a question. 00:03:45.093 --> 00:03:49.193 I mean, how many times have you and I talked about the importance that I don't 00:03:49.193 --> 00:03:54.193 always appreciate, but you do, of winning all the awards that they have won? 00:03:54.273 --> 00:03:58.313 Right. Or even being nominated for those awards is a really big deal. 00:03:58.913 --> 00:04:02.973 One slide I wanted to call attention to that sort of, in fact, 00:04:02.993 --> 00:04:08.513 I had to go back and find it in the keynote video, was Tim had a highest rated 00:04:08.513 --> 00:04:09.993 original programs up there. 00:04:10.613 --> 00:04:16.333 And for 21, 22, and 23, Apple TV Plus was at the top, followed by Hulu, 00:04:16.553 --> 00:04:18.013 Peacock Disney, et cetera, et cetera. 00:04:18.613 --> 00:04:23.973 The question I have, and I haven't seen it yet online, is to where that came from. 00:04:23.973 --> 00:04:26.853 You know i don't but yeah but i 00:04:26.853 --> 00:04:29.693 don't think apple it's not apple style to blow their 00:04:29.693 --> 00:04:33.313 own horn without having some backup so somewhere just 00:04:33.313 --> 00:04:36.313 again just the fact that they were even mentioned 00:04:36.313 --> 00:04:41.113 in the top three let alone being number one for three years running really is 00:04:41.113 --> 00:04:45.373 indicative of how important apple tv plus is sure there's obviously perhaps 00:04:45.373 --> 00:04:48.673 a bit of a ted lasso effect where if you think of the years you're talking about 00:04:48.673 --> 00:04:52.793 and also it brings us back to the thing we always focus on with apple Apple 00:04:52.793 --> 00:04:55.153 TV+, right, which is the quality, not quantity thing. 00:04:56.177 --> 00:04:59.017 And actually, if you look at a lot of the research and discussion going around 00:04:59.017 --> 00:05:03.757 in the streaming world at the moment, a lot of it is talking about quantity 00:05:03.757 --> 00:05:07.557 and kind of mid-level shows that have mass appeal. 00:05:07.937 --> 00:05:13.077 And Apple has kind of quite rigidly stuck with its quality, not quantity approach. 00:05:14.497 --> 00:05:19.397 And just very subtly, I mean, if there's one place that Apple TV Plus has fallen 00:05:19.397 --> 00:05:24.497 down or Apple has fallen down with Apple TV Plus is the promotion of some of these things. 00:05:24.497 --> 00:05:29.657 Because you're watching a show right now that was completely under my radar, 00:05:30.117 --> 00:05:34.157 and I have no idea about it, so I need to find out about it from you. 00:05:34.457 --> 00:05:38.737 And then there's another one we're going to talk about that also seems to be 00:05:38.737 --> 00:05:43.917 flying under the radar, and yet somehow people are finding out about these things. 00:05:45.137 --> 00:05:48.777 Yeah, I mean, we'll come to that because it's a good point. But just on this 00:05:48.777 --> 00:05:55.197 WWDC element, do you think we're having a shift in tone? 00:05:55.277 --> 00:05:59.577 Like, is this now as important to Apple as, I can't say the iPhone, 00:05:59.697 --> 00:06:04.517 right, but is it as important to Apple as it is its key ecosystems, 00:06:04.817 --> 00:06:08.677 its key operating systems, now that it's putting it right in front of this? 00:06:10.077 --> 00:06:13.697 Like, for people who watch us just for, I mean, I guess people particularly 00:06:13.817 --> 00:06:20.237 watching on your channel, will know, don't need the importance of WWDC explained to them. 00:06:20.437 --> 00:06:26.057 But for others, this is so central to Apple's calendar, right, WWDC. 00:06:27.857 --> 00:06:34.097 For them to be making, having TV stuff as part of it, when really it's about 00:06:34.097 --> 00:06:38.557 the nuts and bolts of their operating systems, I was really struck by it. 00:06:41.617 --> 00:06:47.977 I agree completely. I agree completely. And it's, I mean, unfortunately or fortunately, 00:06:48.657 --> 00:06:52.377 there's really not a lot that developers can do with Apple TV+. 00:06:53.257 --> 00:06:59.017 And so as a result, yeah. It's not like we heard any major updates to tvOS, 00:06:59.097 --> 00:07:01.637 and lots of people would love some big updates to tvOS. 00:07:03.277 --> 00:07:07.797 But there was one that now I can't recall what they called it. 00:07:07.997 --> 00:07:13.117 Right, there you go, point proven. Well, but I've seen it written up a number 00:07:13.117 --> 00:07:15.317 of times over the last few days, 00:07:15.437 --> 00:07:18.657 and we're recording this, what, two days, three days, three days, 00:07:18.697 --> 00:07:24.517 I guess, after the keynote, where it's one of those features that apparently a lot of people like. 00:07:25.417 --> 00:07:32.737 It tells you who's in the show that you're watching, what they've been in before, that kind of thing. 00:07:33.577 --> 00:07:35.797 So Apple had discovered IMDb. Cool. 00:07:37.277 --> 00:07:40.337 Look, I don't care. They've added a feature. They've added a feature and it 00:07:40.337 --> 00:07:41.557 seems to be a popular one. 00:07:41.897 --> 00:07:46.597 So the sense I have is Apple's listening to some of the criticisms, 00:07:46.777 --> 00:07:52.137 implementing things where they think it makes sense, especially in their world. 00:07:53.468 --> 00:07:56.768 But because tvOS is often criticized, right? I mean, people, 00:07:56.948 --> 00:08:01.448 look, there are a lot of bad streaming UIs out there. There are a lot of bad 00:08:01.448 --> 00:08:02.828 streaming apps out there. 00:08:03.768 --> 00:08:08.768 TV Plus, Apple TV, sorry, I always feel is not quite as good as it should be. 00:08:08.808 --> 00:08:09.608 I'll give you an example. 00:08:10.008 --> 00:08:13.988 You know that I quite enjoy the baseball. I like Apple having Friday night baseball. 00:08:14.768 --> 00:08:19.208 It's not immediately obvious where you go within the TV app to watch the game. 00:08:19.208 --> 00:08:24.408 Like it's still a bit of a clunky app, and we've had another WWDC where they haven't overhauled it. 00:08:27.448 --> 00:08:32.808 But I'm going to go back to what you started that little piece of commentary with. 00:08:33.128 --> 00:08:39.028 There are no – I have yet to run into a streaming app that I think has a really great interface. 00:08:40.088 --> 00:08:44.788 Oh, no, they're mostly horrible. Yeah, I learned to work around them to find what I want. 00:08:45.488 --> 00:08:50.728 But I still think, oh, boy, this could be so much better if they would just stop. 00:08:52.028 --> 00:08:56.148 They're always trying to push things at you. They're trying to force you to discover things. 00:08:56.908 --> 00:09:01.228 Which Netflix does to great effect. I have to tell you, one of the best streaming 00:09:01.228 --> 00:09:06.148 apps, and it goes completely sort of uncommented upon because we're so used 00:09:06.148 --> 00:09:08.348 to it now here in the UK, is the BBC iPlayer. 00:09:08.928 --> 00:09:11.748 Which really is when you compare 00:09:11.748 --> 00:09:14.748 to a lot of the others and compared to its direct rivals here 00:09:14.748 --> 00:09:18.088 in the UK really an exceptionally well put 00:09:18.088 --> 00:09:23.328 together piece of you know piece of software and I have no experience with that 00:09:23.328 --> 00:09:27.448 and I'm sure at least a few of our listeners are not going to be familiar with 00:09:27.448 --> 00:09:31.488 it can you give us an idea of why you feel that way and what's what's so great 00:09:31.488 --> 00:09:35.448 about it it just does the job it's meant to do you can see where the live tv 00:09:35.448 --> 00:09:37.728 stuff is you can see where the shows you want to watch are. 00:09:37.908 --> 00:09:41.868 It's a very good search function. It just actually works as we would like most 00:09:41.868 --> 00:09:45.728 streaming services to do. It's a very, very well put together service. 00:09:47.869 --> 00:09:51.509 And, yeah, I think it's really impressive. And when we look at, 00:09:51.509 --> 00:09:55.229 like, the TV app, there are still too many barriers, I think, 00:09:55.249 --> 00:09:56.689 to finding the content you want. 00:09:57.389 --> 00:10:00.949 And, yes, it's all well and good them putting it front and center at WWDC. 00:10:01.829 --> 00:10:04.769 But they do, I think, need to fix some of the fundamentals as well. 00:10:04.909 --> 00:10:06.429 I'm being a bit harsh. It's not 00:10:06.429 --> 00:10:09.749 so terrible, the TV app. But I think you understand the point I'm making. 00:10:10.809 --> 00:10:15.529 Yeah. I mean, and I think it's getting better. I mean, with each iteration, it seems like it. 00:10:15.529 --> 00:10:21.189 Just back to the to the iplayer because i'm really curious now um is it how 00:10:21.189 --> 00:10:25.589 do they handle discovery or how do they handle pushing things to you since you 00:10:25.589 --> 00:10:30.429 say it's well organized to find what you want but there's a bit of that you 00:10:30.429 --> 00:10:33.789 know all the key bbc shows are there you could you know there's a, 00:10:34.329 --> 00:10:38.229 search function that actually works pretty well remember it's also the way to 00:10:38.229 --> 00:10:42.469 watch things live you can watch all of the bbc channels live as well so there's 00:10:42.469 --> 00:10:46.969 a nice way to do that i say it's It's a search function that kind of works pretty well. 00:10:47.749 --> 00:10:50.109 Obviously, there's shows front and center that they want. 00:10:51.009 --> 00:10:58.009 Yeah, it just works as good as much as most kind of streaming services should. 00:10:58.089 --> 00:10:59.469 You know, I've just put it up now. 00:10:59.649 --> 00:11:04.089 The shows that are there, there's a whole load of shows that it's pushing. 00:11:04.149 --> 00:11:08.589 It's pushing the new Doctor Who, the new Rebus and so on. There's some trending shows. 00:11:09.129 --> 00:11:13.769 It has a totally dedicated live streaming channel for the general election going on here. 00:11:14.569 --> 00:11:18.049 There's collections of films you can find. And then there's obviously the shows 00:11:18.049 --> 00:11:19.469 you're watching, a continue function. 00:11:20.069 --> 00:11:23.829 It's just like, you know, does the things it's meant to do and works. 00:11:24.029 --> 00:11:28.569 Well, it's much less clunky than a lot of the other streaming services I use. 00:11:29.849 --> 00:11:33.149 Good to know. Well, then, Apple, take a look at the BBC. 00:11:33.409 --> 00:11:40.029 Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, maybe we don't want to go too deep down into 00:11:40.029 --> 00:11:46.089 this. But the problem that Apple TV app has, I think, is it's trying to be two things at once, right? 00:11:46.889 --> 00:11:50.449 It's trying to be the home of its own streaming service. 00:11:51.731 --> 00:11:56.691 And it's also trying to play nice and be the hub for content from a load of 00:11:56.691 --> 00:11:57.671 other streaming services. 00:12:01.171 --> 00:12:05.551 You're not wrong. You're not wrong. Because that's what Apple ultimately was, right? 00:12:05.631 --> 00:12:09.271 It wants all your subscriptions to streaming services through the TV app and, 00:12:09.331 --> 00:12:10.811 I guess, your Apple TV box. 00:12:11.711 --> 00:12:16.171 I'm pretty sure I see my Paramount Plus content in the TV app, 00:12:16.251 --> 00:12:18.511 you know, and that makes it a bit messier, right? 00:12:19.511 --> 00:12:24.011 Yeah, but I see the same thing in other streaming apps. 00:12:24.771 --> 00:12:28.371 I'm thinking of Amazons right now. 00:12:29.651 --> 00:12:34.171 With the channels, yes, you're right. Yeah, so Peacock shows up, 00:12:34.231 --> 00:12:38.271 Paramount Plus shows up as tiles that I can go to, and then, 00:12:38.331 --> 00:12:40.191 of course, I have access to all that content. 00:12:40.711 --> 00:12:49.711 So it's a tough thing because nobody – I mean, the only streaming people that 00:12:49.711 --> 00:12:51.511 really stream their own stuff are, 00:12:51.591 --> 00:12:56.411 at least I can think of at the moment, are the networks here in the U.S. 00:12:56.411 --> 00:13:01.491 So if I go to NBC, ABC or CBS, yes, I've got all kind of things that they're 00:13:01.491 --> 00:13:07.291 pushing, not just their news and sports, but their original programming, such as it is. 00:13:07.291 --> 00:13:10.371 But everybody else is that's 00:13:10.371 --> 00:13:13.851 making these boxes apple tv plus amazon roku 00:13:13.851 --> 00:13:16.951 um chromecast you know 00:13:16.951 --> 00:13:19.931 or chrome you know they're all trying to to 00:13:19.931 --> 00:13:25.291 gather up everything so that you have everything in one spot and that's a challenge 00:13:25.291 --> 00:13:30.491 and they want to be that spot that's absolutely right i mean that that is indisputably 00:13:30.491 --> 00:13:34.571 correct um i'm browsing through you know there's a huge pride collection production 00:13:34.571 --> 00:13:37.271 for Pride Month here on TV app, 00:13:37.391 --> 00:13:39.451 which has got some of their content. 00:13:40.031 --> 00:13:45.731 And also, I think lots of other stuff, not from Apple, yeah, 00:13:45.851 --> 00:13:46.811 that you can rent and buy. 00:13:46.931 --> 00:13:51.271 So, you know, it's doing two things at once, which I think can be a bit messy. 00:13:51.591 --> 00:13:57.471 But I think your comparison with, sorry, Amazon is well made, 00:13:57.551 --> 00:13:59.771 because that's much more what it's like. 00:14:00.191 --> 00:14:05.171 And it's got, you know, it does have channels as well the same again as you 00:14:05.171 --> 00:14:08.411 say the same as tv plus as amazon prime video. 00:14:10.555 --> 00:14:13.415 Yeah, what's ironic about it is that I can – While you're here, 00:14:13.495 --> 00:14:17.955 I'm going to share a rant with you, if you don't mind. 00:14:18.375 --> 00:14:21.975 Please, I love it when you rant. Thank you. Right. 00:14:23.075 --> 00:14:30.115 Paramount Plus. I have a subscription to Paramount Plus that I pay – I managed 00:14:30.115 --> 00:14:33.035 to get a deal for $69.99 or at $6.99 a month. 00:14:33.895 --> 00:14:36.795 I paid for it directly through Paramount. that means i 00:14:36.795 --> 00:14:40.235 cannot connect it to my apple tv app which is 00:14:40.235 --> 00:14:44.815 kind of annoying i would happily do that i have to you know have a separate 00:14:44.815 --> 00:14:50.875 app have it you know on a different and i can't put it onto my computer or my 00:14:50.875 --> 00:14:54.955 playstation sorry my tv or my playstation so i have to plug in a laptop to watch 00:14:54.955 --> 00:14:59.415 paramount plus on my tv whereas i would like to just watch it through the tv app, 00:15:00.075 --> 00:15:05.075 you can't connect the two accounts you can't connect the accounts but can't you, 00:15:05.915 --> 00:15:11.735 launch a a paramount plus app on apple tv and then yes but you can't but it 00:15:11.735 --> 00:15:15.875 won't know my login doesn't know that i have an account i would either have 00:15:15.875 --> 00:15:17.415 to get a less good deal or pay twice. 00:15:19.890 --> 00:15:22.890 That doesn't sound right. You sure you can't log in with your existing account? 00:15:23.610 --> 00:15:28.610 I am sure. I have tried. Wow. If any listeners or viewers have found a way to 00:15:28.610 --> 00:15:30.330 do it, please, please, please tell me why I'm wrong. 00:15:30.390 --> 00:15:33.330 I would love that to be the case, but I have not found a solution to this. 00:15:34.750 --> 00:15:40.670 Huh. Okay. Yeah, I'd love to hear it too because I subscribe to, 00:15:40.810 --> 00:15:47.370 well, I subscribe to a couple of the pays, but I also subscribe to some of the 00:15:47.370 --> 00:15:53.170 free with advertising services like Pluto TV. 00:15:53.470 --> 00:16:00.030 And I have no trouble using my app, sorry, my login on multiple devices, 00:16:00.250 --> 00:16:04.990 including – Well, I'm going to try again, but it is something of a frustration. 00:16:05.210 --> 00:16:10.270 But I obviously use the TV app on the PlayStation to watch Apple TV Plus. 00:16:10.730 --> 00:16:15.430 Right. Yeah. Interesting. Oh, and what I'm watching, actually, 00:16:15.550 --> 00:16:20.190 listen, I'll do a little segue because I am watching TV Plus shows at the moment. 00:16:20.230 --> 00:16:24.650 And one I'm really enjoying, this is not one for you, Chuck, is Loot. 00:16:25.230 --> 00:16:29.110 It's a 30 minute comedy starring Maya Rudolph as Molly Wells, 00:16:29.290 --> 00:16:31.990 who gets divorced. This is the first episode. This is no spoiler. 00:16:32.130 --> 00:16:35.990 She gets divorced from her billionaire husband, John Novak, who's played by 00:16:35.990 --> 00:16:39.970 Adam Scott, and then gets involved as a philanthropist. 00:16:39.990 --> 00:16:43.010 And this is the story as it develops. I've nearly finished season one. 00:16:43.550 --> 00:16:46.850 I am really enjoying this, I have to tell you. It's really fun. 00:16:47.610 --> 00:16:51.330 It's not the most subtle or clever show ever. Like, you can see where it's going 00:16:51.330 --> 00:16:55.230 pretty early on. But it's really fun. I'm really enjoying it. 00:16:56.050 --> 00:16:59.170 Maya Rudolph is great. Actually, most of the cast is great. 00:17:00.270 --> 00:17:05.210 And, yeah, it's really fun. And it shows to me again. How many times have I said this to you, Chuck? 00:17:05.370 --> 00:17:10.890 When Apple does these 30-minute comedies to kind of chill out the tone on TV+, 00:17:10.890 --> 00:17:12.850 they have tended to be pretty good. 00:17:13.994 --> 00:17:21.834 And it feels like Apple is struggling to – trying to go back to maybe a time 00:17:21.834 --> 00:17:26.774 when we had – I'm sorry if anybody disagrees, but better comedies. 00:17:27.034 --> 00:17:35.074 Better comedies that weren't just constant one-liners as so much of it seems to be right now. 00:17:35.194 --> 00:17:40.014 That there are plots and there are comedic plots that really work. 00:17:40.654 --> 00:17:45.774 Yeah i mean i thought with ted lasso it took itself a bit too seriously by the end, 00:17:46.294 --> 00:17:51.254 but i love mythic quest i can't wait for more mythic quest i say it every time 00:17:51.254 --> 00:17:54.354 on the show because if i keep saying it out loud maybe we'll get more mythic 00:17:54.354 --> 00:17:59.054 quest um i really enjoyed shrinking which i know you weren't a fan of but i 00:17:59.054 --> 00:18:01.874 thought was really good um and i'm really enjoying loot, 00:18:02.774 --> 00:18:07.094 what i like this has just occurred to me as you were saying about better comedies 00:18:07.094 --> 00:18:12.194 and what occurs to me is when apple does comedies they don't do that sort of 00:18:12.194 --> 00:18:17.054 by the numbers for friends in an apartment you know like the big bang theory 00:18:17.054 --> 00:18:20.414 like friends itself uh sex in the city. 00:18:22.434 --> 00:18:26.534 Seinfeld will and grace you know those core group there's obviously a core cast 00:18:26.534 --> 00:18:31.934 as there has to be but it's a slight they're slightly differently formatted and i rather like that, 00:18:33.606 --> 00:18:37.766 And I want to correct something you said. I did not like shrinking. 00:18:38.246 --> 00:18:40.526 It took me a while to get into it. I thought you weren't a fan. 00:18:40.746 --> 00:18:44.746 No, it took me a while to get into it. But eventually I got there. 00:18:45.286 --> 00:18:51.266 And to circle this back to Dub Dub for a second, as part of the little sizzle 00:18:51.266 --> 00:18:55.666 reel that they did, you know, a new season of shrinking is coming. I did not know that. 00:18:55.926 --> 00:18:58.386 So I was like, wow, okay, that's good. 00:18:59.206 --> 00:19:01.566 Are you going to watch it? Oh, absolutely. 00:19:02.466 --> 00:19:05.006 Absolutely. Hey, I'm glad I won you over, or the show won you over. 00:19:05.126 --> 00:19:05.966 I don't know which one it was. 00:19:06.246 --> 00:19:14.346 Well, Charlotte, we're kind of bouncing topics here, but exactly what you said about that, yes, 00:19:14.446 --> 00:19:18.066 there always have to be a core set of characters for any TV show, 00:19:18.146 --> 00:19:26.566 but it wasn't just constantly trading things that then somebody could put a laugh track to, 00:19:27.166 --> 00:19:28.926 if there was no live audience. 00:19:28.926 --> 00:19:34.386 They are situational comedies where the situations are the funny thing, 00:19:34.506 --> 00:19:40.566 not necessarily just the smart writers trying to get something that is cute. 00:19:40.946 --> 00:19:48.066 And that speaks to me, again, as far as the quality of Apple TV Plus and what 00:19:48.066 --> 00:19:48.766 they're trying to produce. 00:19:49.906 --> 00:19:54.866 Watching Loot, it really reiterated to me that Apple does these kind of shows now really well. 00:19:54.866 --> 00:19:58.006 It is now getting a collection of pretty 00:19:58.006 --> 00:20:01.246 decent comedies that would happily have 00:20:01.246 --> 00:20:05.526 been aired on other you know mainstream channels and 00:20:05.526 --> 00:20:11.106 are really well put together beautifully shot but like very uplifting plenty 00:20:11.106 --> 00:20:15.246 of funny moments like i think apple is starting to do comedy really really well 00:20:15.246 --> 00:20:19.706 you and i have talked about how apple seems to try to specialize to some extent 00:20:19.706 --> 00:20:22.266 in um sci-fi and it does that well. 00:20:22.426 --> 00:20:27.246 And I think slowly but surely the 30-minute comedy, it's recovering that as well. 00:20:29.226 --> 00:20:34.146 Well, and kids programming too. I mean, you brought up pre-show that we have 00:20:34.146 --> 00:20:36.626 a new season of Snoopy coming along. 00:20:37.146 --> 00:20:39.146 Yes, coming out Friday the 14th. 00:20:40.466 --> 00:20:45.206 So, you know, there you go. I mean, it's quality. 00:20:45.806 --> 00:20:50.446 And they also don't seem to be afraid to drop things that maybe aren't working. 00:20:51.246 --> 00:20:54.566 Now how do you define quite brutal yeah now 00:20:54.566 --> 00:20:57.486 how do you define not working i'm not smart enough to know 00:20:57.486 --> 00:21:02.466 what's going on behind the scenes but somewhere the things aren't working out 00:21:02.466 --> 00:21:06.046 the viewership is not working out they don't even see it as worth continuing 00:21:06.046 --> 00:21:11.186 to try to bump up syndication rights if that ever is going to happen with apple 00:21:11.186 --> 00:21:14.706 tv plus um so a lot of mechanics going 00:21:14.806 --> 00:21:20.566 on here but i feel like there's again to say it uh there's just a huge focus 00:21:20.566 --> 00:21:25.366 on quality and things that do work for the audience yeah and we can only imagine 00:21:25.366 --> 00:21:29.426 the kind of data they're getting back um you were watching there was a movie 00:21:29.426 --> 00:21:31.386 you were watching that you wanted to talk about. 00:21:33.709 --> 00:21:35.729 Are we talking about the one that we said we were going to talk about? 00:21:35.989 --> 00:21:38.929 Yeah. You're trying to be kind and not spoil it for me, but go on. 00:21:38.969 --> 00:21:40.089 Tell us why you liked Argyle. 00:21:41.929 --> 00:21:46.749 I didn't necessarily say that I liked it. It was a great one-watch movie, 00:21:46.989 --> 00:21:50.589 but I don't see myself going back and re-watching it. 00:21:51.489 --> 00:21:58.469 Now, that said, there were a few places that it just jumped over the edge. 00:21:58.749 --> 00:22:02.509 I mean, it was an interesting premise. and okay 00:22:02.509 --> 00:22:05.929 don't do spoilers well boy that's 00:22:05.929 --> 00:22:08.989 tough oh okay so it it involves a writer who 00:22:08.989 --> 00:22:14.789 creates this secret agent character called argyle and it turns out that argyle 00:22:14.789 --> 00:22:21.529 is a real secret agent and that she gets caught up in it and you know in some 00:22:21.529 --> 00:22:26.589 of his adventures and how and why and And there are several plot twists along 00:22:26.589 --> 00:22:28.569 the way that are really well done. 00:22:28.789 --> 00:22:33.369 The effects are over the top, which, again, can be fun. 00:22:33.469 --> 00:22:39.809 So what could have started out as maybe a James Bond kind of thing or even a 00:22:39.809 --> 00:22:45.769 Tom Cruise kind of thing quickly jumps over into almost an over-the-top, 00:22:45.929 --> 00:22:48.789 I'm not ready to say comedy, but with comic elements. 00:22:49.349 --> 00:22:53.949 That, you know, again, great, great movie to sit down and watch once. 00:22:53.949 --> 00:22:57.769 I don't see myself revisiting it, but I definitely would tell you, 00:22:57.829 --> 00:23:00.229 give it a shot and see what you think. 00:23:00.669 --> 00:23:05.289 A fun Saturday night, chill out movie, nothing too serious. 00:23:05.969 --> 00:23:10.109 Yeah, yeah, that's well said. That's well said. You might think you're getting 00:23:10.109 --> 00:23:12.649 into something that's a little more serious. 00:23:13.709 --> 00:23:18.629 And maybe that's just my bias, because if I think back to the beginning, 00:23:18.709 --> 00:23:23.729 I guess some of it right out of the gate is over the top, and that should have been a clue. 00:23:24.329 --> 00:23:27.909 That I wasn't getting into a serious mood. Yeah, you see, you're actually selling 00:23:27.909 --> 00:23:31.669 it to me more. I quite like a bit of silliness and a bit of over-the-top. 00:23:33.017 --> 00:23:35.957 Oh, then this is going to be for you. You're going to love it. 00:23:36.117 --> 00:23:38.037 Yeah, I like a bit of silly. What was that? 00:23:38.897 --> 00:23:42.717 I can't remember what it was. The one with like The Rock and Angelina Jolie 00:23:42.717 --> 00:23:45.337 and Ryan Reynolds that was completely silly and ridiculous. 00:23:45.417 --> 00:23:47.637 They put out over Christmas one year on Netflix. 00:23:48.157 --> 00:23:51.557 You know, I'm happy to have a bit. There's too much serious going on in life. 00:23:51.657 --> 00:23:53.877 I'm very happy for a silly action movie. 00:23:55.257 --> 00:23:59.237 No, if anything, I'm pro silly action. I'm very pro silly action shows, 00:23:59.417 --> 00:24:04.377 actually, which is something that actually, not to go, just to circle back to 00:24:04.377 --> 00:24:08.577 what we were saying earlier about the kind of quality, not quantity element of TV Plus. 00:24:08.617 --> 00:24:12.877 It doesn't do kind of silly action, does it, Apple TV Plus? It's kind of full 00:24:12.877 --> 00:24:14.497 ground, all of that kind of thing. 00:24:17.717 --> 00:24:22.077 Yeah, probably so. I mean, I'd have to go back and look at a roster, 00:24:22.237 --> 00:24:26.237 but right off the top, I can't think of silly action. 00:24:26.917 --> 00:24:31.117 You know, the kind of, yeah, anyway. Anyway, one I'm really looking forward 00:24:31.117 --> 00:24:35.117 to, I don't think this is silly, but it is a thriller, is Presumed Illicent. 00:24:35.137 --> 00:24:41.537 It's an eight-episode limited series starring an executive produced by Jake Gyllenhaal. 00:24:41.697 --> 00:24:47.937 It's based on a book from, it's a best-selling novel, the same name, by Scott Taro. 00:24:48.757 --> 00:24:52.637 So that's going to be fine. There's a big ensemble cast, Ruth Negger, 00:24:52.677 --> 00:24:59.557 Bill Camp, Elizabeth Marvel, Peter Sarsgaard, Oti Fangveni, and Renette Rensby. Big, big cast. 00:25:01.057 --> 00:25:05.157 It just came out actually the day before we were recording this show, June the 12th. 00:25:07.017 --> 00:25:10.497 Now, both of us said we hadn't really realized this was coming. 00:25:11.177 --> 00:25:15.417 And it got a plug again back to WWDC, didn't it? Yeah. 00:25:16.516 --> 00:25:22.196 It did, along with a lot of other shows that are coming. And I have to say that 00:25:22.196 --> 00:25:26.116 I went back and watched that part of the keynote a couple of times because I 00:25:26.116 --> 00:25:29.056 wanted to make sure that I sort of had some of those shows in my head. 00:25:29.336 --> 00:25:32.396 And the Presumed Innocent was one that, yeah, that caught my attention. 00:25:33.076 --> 00:25:37.696 And yet up to this point, I had not known about it. 00:25:37.756 --> 00:25:41.096 So I'll be anxious to see what you say if I haven't gotten to it. 00:25:41.456 --> 00:25:44.856 Excuse me, what you say if I haven't gotten to it by the time we next talk. 00:25:44.856 --> 00:25:47.996 Yeah i guess we will have to discuss it next 00:25:47.996 --> 00:25:51.876 time and i'd be interested actually to hear from viewers and listeners what 00:25:51.876 --> 00:25:55.936 stuff in that sizzle reel really stood out to them what shows over the summer 00:25:55.936 --> 00:26:02.156 are they looking forward to having to settling down and watching i mean there 00:26:02.156 --> 00:26:07.336 is so much now i don't know just to bounce around again do you ever feel in 00:26:07.336 --> 00:26:09.516 general with streaming me, 00:26:09.656 --> 00:26:14.196 we kind of have almost too much. Do you know what I mean? 00:26:14.396 --> 00:26:21.856 I'm often overwhelmed with what the choice is, and Apple isn't making my life that much easier. 00:26:24.376 --> 00:26:28.776 Yes, I agree completely, Charlotte. I have a watch list that's as long as my arm because I, 00:26:29.316 --> 00:26:32.296 don't spend a lot of time watching TV, and yet 00:26:32.296 --> 00:26:34.916 I see things like Presumed Innocent that are are 00:26:34.916 --> 00:26:38.556 indeed compelling and so yeah you 00:26:38.556 --> 00:26:41.936 know it's it's it's a wealth it's an 00:26:41.936 --> 00:26:44.996 embarrassment of riches right now um i know 00:26:44.996 --> 00:26:52.576 it's but there's another thing i'm really fascinated by i didn't warn you about 00:26:52.576 --> 00:26:57.956 this but um i i kind of it spotted it jumped up at me and i was absolutely intrigued 00:26:57.956 --> 00:27:03.596 by it and i'm I'm glad you mentioned also Apple's pawn shop for doing pretty good kids programming, 00:27:03.796 --> 00:27:08.236 because I noticed there's more Frog and Toad over there, which I am sure I remember 00:27:08.236 --> 00:27:09.456 the books from my childhood. 00:27:10.871 --> 00:27:15.211 And there was an original trailer back in kind of April 2023, 00:27:15.331 --> 00:27:18.571 and there's more of it now on Apple TV+. 00:27:18.571 --> 00:27:25.091 And I was rather struck when I saw that, that it's kind of not Apple original IP, a bit like Snoopy, 00:27:25.891 --> 00:27:31.971 but kind of the thing that will make TV plus much more useful for families as 00:27:31.971 --> 00:27:36.031 a subscription, which I guess is where the money is now when people are really 00:27:36.031 --> 00:27:38.031 thinking about how many of these services they can afford. 00:27:39.911 --> 00:27:42.631 Board i i think i mean i think 00:27:42.631 --> 00:27:45.611 it's it's a skill we're all going to have to develop if if 00:27:45.611 --> 00:27:48.931 we don't want to just mortgage our homes um 00:27:48.931 --> 00:27:52.791 i mean i'm never going to develop the skill i can't even tell you the number 00:27:52.791 --> 00:27:56.891 of services i subscribe to it's shameful well that's it you know i think you 00:27:56.891 --> 00:28:01.691 need to pick and choose and see you know when the really good deal comes out 00:28:01.691 --> 00:28:06.171 for something that that you feel like delivers a lot of value, by all means do it. 00:28:06.611 --> 00:28:10.051 I think you have to. The other thing that has to go into the equation, 00:28:10.231 --> 00:28:14.651 and I know we've talked about it before, is how much time do you really spend consuming the content? 00:28:15.111 --> 00:28:17.431 Right. Well, this is something that I'm so pleased you said this. 00:28:17.471 --> 00:28:22.411 Because what we talk about is budgeting money. We forget that time is a budget too. 00:28:24.811 --> 00:28:27.831 It's a more limited budget than money in a lot of cases. 00:28:29.031 --> 00:28:36.091 Yeah. and so but i think that's what apple tv plus does well actually because 00:28:36.091 --> 00:28:37.811 it doesn't make endless shows, 00:28:38.791 --> 00:28:43.911 it is very targeted how much of its time you want to take up actually it wants 00:28:43.911 --> 00:28:47.971 to take up actually so we've just mentioned that new jake gyllenhaal eight episode 00:28:47.971 --> 00:28:53.811 limited series bang done there was one movie you wanted to watch two and a quarter 00:28:53.811 --> 00:28:57.791 hours or something isn't it done like you can budget that time. 00:28:57.891 --> 00:29:02.311 It's not like turning on Netflix where you think the whole of television is there. 00:29:05.231 --> 00:29:12.411 Agreed. Agreed. And yeah, it's just, if you don't, I mean, you could spend your entire, 00:29:12.591 --> 00:29:17.571 well, you can spend your entire wrist injury recovery watching TV, 00:29:17.631 --> 00:29:21.851 trying to catch up, and that's not going to be good for your wrist or for anything else. 00:29:21.851 --> 00:29:25.451 So i mean look saying 00:29:25.451 --> 00:29:28.591 this i'm as ever i always have the list of apple originals 00:29:28.591 --> 00:29:31.811 up as we're talking and there's just so much now 00:29:31.811 --> 00:29:36.951 i'll tell you two that are on my watch list because i want to pull them up and 00:29:36.951 --> 00:29:41.651 make sure um and i have not seen either one of these so i can't advocate for 00:29:41.651 --> 00:29:47.311 them but they have my attention uh franklin um about the documentary about or 00:29:47.311 --> 00:29:48.711 a show about by Benjamin Franklin, 00:29:48.831 --> 00:29:53.451 and Manhunt, about the search for Abraham Lincoln's killer. 00:29:54.511 --> 00:29:56.871 There's a theme there. I'm noticing a theme, Chuck. 00:29:58.412 --> 00:30:03.832 What's that? American presidents, American history. 00:30:04.332 --> 00:30:09.032 Yeah, I mean, I brought them up only because they are coming up on my watch list. 00:30:09.192 --> 00:30:13.952 But the fact that they are there and they have not received a huge amount of 00:30:13.952 --> 00:30:19.612 publicity, so I can't say how well they've been received, but they were subjects 00:30:19.612 --> 00:30:21.052 that, yeah, caught my attention. 00:30:21.772 --> 00:30:26.532 Sure. There's so much stuff in Apple TV, and we've talked about, 00:30:26.532 --> 00:30:32.092 In fact, I think some of our earliest shows, we specifically mentioned a number 00:30:32.092 --> 00:30:33.932 of shows that went way under the radar, 00:30:34.172 --> 00:30:40.132 maybe were intended, as you said, as limited series, and therefore we weren't 00:30:40.132 --> 00:30:41.592 expecting them to come back. 00:30:42.552 --> 00:30:47.692 And I think that's maybe an interesting way to do it now with so much competition 00:30:47.692 --> 00:30:54.292 that you're not asking someone to commit to a 22, 23-episode season. 00:30:54.292 --> 00:30:59.052 Reason you're you know you're asking for an eight episode commitment or six episode commitment. 00:31:00.132 --> 00:31:03.952 And at first i wasn't sure i like it i now 00:31:03.952 --> 00:31:09.432 think it's a great way to for the the production teams to combat this thing 00:31:09.432 --> 00:31:13.952 because then then we can all move on to other things come back to the ones that 00:31:13.952 --> 00:31:19.572 work for us and for the people that produce them yeah i'm inclined to agree 00:31:19.572 --> 00:31:21.852 and the The other one on my watch list, 00:31:22.072 --> 00:31:25.292 which I know neither of us have watched yet, is Palm Royal, which I think has 00:31:25.292 --> 00:31:26.972 received some quite good reviews. 00:31:27.452 --> 00:31:30.732 So I'm looking forward to getting stuck into that as well. 00:31:30.972 --> 00:31:35.672 I mean, I do have a big problem, though, Chuck, which is there is so much sport on this summer. 00:31:36.792 --> 00:31:41.452 We've got the European football here, and you've got the Copa America over there 00:31:41.452 --> 00:31:43.412 in the US. We've both got the Olympics. 00:31:43.812 --> 00:31:48.552 It's the US Open golf this weekend. We've got, there's obviously Wimbledon. 00:31:48.592 --> 00:31:52.312 I mean, there's just so much, Chuck. Chuck, how are we going to manage this? 00:31:53.672 --> 00:31:56.452 We're going to have to get better at multitasking, Charlotte. 00:31:57.412 --> 00:32:01.372 Multitasking. Hey, we were talking about time budget, and I think that's rather proved it. 00:32:02.692 --> 00:32:08.792 That's it. You have to be able to absorb some things that maybe aren't so intense, 00:32:09.592 --> 00:32:13.312 while you're actually accomplishing other things like cleaning the house or 00:32:13.312 --> 00:32:14.352 doing the laundry or whatever. 00:32:15.592 --> 00:32:19.232 Three games a day at the beginning of the year. Chuck, how am I going to do this? 00:32:19.792 --> 00:32:23.612 I can't help you with that because I'm going to be watching the U.S. 00:32:23.612 --> 00:32:27.472 Open. You're going to be spending the whole weekend in front of the U.S. Open golf, exactly. 00:32:27.972 --> 00:32:35.132 Well, I will be getting on the golf course as well, but definitely watching the U.S. Open together. 00:32:36.012 --> 00:32:44.052 Well, I look forward to hearing how you definitely beat Scotty Schebler's score, and I'll…. 00:32:45.423 --> 00:32:49.303 I look forward to hearing from you about it all. The only way I'm going to beat 00:32:49.303 --> 00:32:54.223 Scotty Sheffer's score is if I don't count about half my shots. 00:32:54.783 --> 00:32:58.143 As if he doesn't play. As if he doesn't play. Yeah, that's true. 00:32:58.743 --> 00:33:03.203 That's true. Well, it looks like we have a lot to be cracking up with, 00:33:03.363 --> 00:33:07.783 cracking on with for the few weeks ahead until we return for more TV Plus talk. 00:33:08.523 --> 00:33:11.783 Absolutely. Absolutely. But, folks, answer some of our questions. 00:33:12.883 --> 00:33:16.543 We'll give you our contact information in a minute. We'd love to hear what is 00:33:16.543 --> 00:33:21.023 exciting you and what you think about what we're thinking about what is on Apple 00:33:21.023 --> 00:33:23.563 TV+. Do you see strengths? Do you see weaknesses? 00:33:24.243 --> 00:33:27.523 Are there things that you'd like to see on Apple TV+, or see them do? 00:33:28.523 --> 00:33:31.203 Not that we can do anything about it, but we'd like to hear from you. 00:33:31.843 --> 00:33:36.503 Yeah, and definitely, obviously, across our social media and also in the YouTube 00:33:36.503 --> 00:33:39.963 comments on both of our channels, we'd love to hear from you. Definitely. 00:33:40.463 --> 00:33:43.143 So, Charlotte, where can folks make that connection with you? 00:33:43.983 --> 00:33:47.103 So I'm at charlotteahenry across social media. 00:33:47.423 --> 00:33:51.303 I blog, post podcasts and newsletters at theedition.net. 00:33:51.403 --> 00:33:56.003 Or if you want to sign up to my newsletter directly, head to newsletter.theedition.net. 00:33:57.363 --> 00:34:01.463 Great. You can find me as at Chuck Joyner on pretty much all the major social 00:34:01.463 --> 00:34:03.563 medias and a few of the minor ones as well. 00:34:03.843 --> 00:34:09.043 And you can see everything else that I do on Mac Voices at macvoices.com. 00:34:09.043 --> 00:34:13.663 Right now, we're on the road to MacStock, which is a Mac and Apple-oriented 00:34:13.663 --> 00:34:18.283 conference in Crystal Lake, Illinois, in July. We'd love to have you join us. 00:34:19.303 --> 00:34:24.783 Shara, we'll see you next month. See you next month. Got lots of TV to watch. Oh, boy. 00:34:25.803 --> 00:34:28.363 Thanks for watching us. Thank you.