WEBVTT 00:00:15.629 --> 00:00:22.649 I'm Charlotte Henry. And, yeah, quiet. A few days in the world of Hollywood and media. 00:00:23.449 --> 00:00:27.109 So, luckily, Sean McNulty from there, we don't have anything to discuss, do we? 00:00:27.869 --> 00:00:31.529 No, exactly. I think we can talk about the weather, we can talk about some sports, 00:00:31.769 --> 00:00:34.169 you know, whatever, Premier League, whatever, any hot takes. 00:00:34.209 --> 00:00:34.829 I'm always happy to talk sports. 00:00:35.289 --> 00:00:38.049 Yeah, how, I mean, are the Yankees going to get over the line this year? 00:00:38.109 --> 00:00:41.089 We could do loads of, you know. A little bit more classic, yeah, exactly. 00:00:41.409 --> 00:00:46.249 Yeah, exactly. That's been quite fun. But, you know, we're discussing this on 00:00:46.249 --> 00:00:52.309 Monday, 16th of March, which is me hours Oscar everyone staggered home from 00:00:52.309 --> 00:00:53.749 the Oscars after parties. 00:00:54.489 --> 00:00:58.209 So, Sean McNally, did you get your dinner jacket on? Go to a good party. 00:00:58.769 --> 00:01:04.049 No, I was counting ads. So my ritual is to watch the show, the whole show, 00:01:04.349 --> 00:01:10.269 and not flip off to go watch something else and see who's buying ads in the show, 00:01:10.409 --> 00:01:14.349 what Disney's advertising, which I put a wrap-up in the wake-up last night to 00:01:14.349 --> 00:01:19.089 kind of just see what gets prioritized, what doesn't get prioritized, 00:01:19.129 --> 00:01:21.129 and where the money's in their mouth, and where their mouth is. 00:01:21.149 --> 00:01:26.689 It's a $2 million average ad buy for 30 seconds there, so kind of seeing who 00:01:26.689 --> 00:01:27.769 was spending the money last night. 00:01:28.409 --> 00:01:30.069 And who was it? What did you notice? 00:01:32.209 --> 00:01:36.389 It baffles me every... Well, it should baffle me every year, 00:01:36.409 --> 00:01:39.689 but Hollywood doesn't show up to advertise on their biggest night. 00:01:39.689 --> 00:01:45.529 This is the biggest single audience Hollywood and the movie business specifically gets every year. 00:01:45.849 --> 00:01:51.989 And we had one 15-second ad for a movie that wasn't a Disney or Disney Fox property, 00:01:52.049 --> 00:01:55.569 which is – it airs on ABC here and Hulu. 00:01:55.809 --> 00:01:57.829 So that's kind of in-house at the time. 00:01:58.706 --> 00:02:02.426 Nothing. We are six weeks out from the start of the biggest season of the year 00:02:02.426 --> 00:02:05.746 for the movie business into the summer movie season and crickets. 00:02:06.006 --> 00:02:09.406 And it baffles me that you have, we'll see what the final numbers are, 00:02:09.506 --> 00:02:15.286 but generally 19, 20 million people tuning in who presumably love movies and love going movie stars. 00:02:15.586 --> 00:02:19.926 And you give nothing to get them psyched for the big season ahead. 00:02:20.086 --> 00:02:23.006 And it just, you know, so that's, I always kind of tune in to see like, 00:02:23.446 --> 00:02:24.766 will anybody show up this year? 00:02:24.766 --> 00:02:27.826 It's always generally no and uh we 00:02:27.826 --> 00:02:30.466 had man and lauren and grogu of course that's a disney ad and we had 00:02:30.466 --> 00:02:33.586 the devil works product that also wisely showed up when we had anna 00:02:33.586 --> 00:02:36.406 on one tour last night on stage with anne 00:02:36.406 --> 00:02:40.086 hathaway which was kind of fun on the show for a little subtle plug with baby 00:02:40.086 --> 00:02:44.386 yoda in the audience uh these things which will go away yes things that will 00:02:44.386 --> 00:02:49.246 go away when uh it goes to youtube in 2029 so we'll see uh have to pay for that 00:02:49.246 --> 00:02:51.886 stuff we'll see what the changes are with that when it comes to play in a few 00:02:51.886 --> 00:02:54.366 years but that's bizarre to me, 00:02:54.906 --> 00:02:59.306 that movie makers don't want to advertise in front of people that love movies. 00:03:00.026 --> 00:03:02.946 Yeah, unless there's something at Disney. But, you know, again, 00:03:03.046 --> 00:03:06.926 Amazon did buy a 15-second ad for Project To Tell Mary, which is opening on 00:03:06.926 --> 00:03:08.166 Friday here in the States. 00:03:09.406 --> 00:03:13.206 Yeah, I just, you know, there's probably a rationale behind it that somebody 00:03:13.206 --> 00:03:18.406 could give you about this, but I can't figure out what that would be that you 00:03:18.406 --> 00:03:19.626 don't want to take advantage of. 00:03:19.726 --> 00:03:24.586 We have a Dune 3 trailer premiere coming, I think later this afternoon, 00:03:24.826 --> 00:03:32.766 I'm like, prestigious director, we have an Oscar nominee, it's a pretty popular, yeah. 00:03:33.706 --> 00:03:38.426 Couldn't it just take that as to watch the Dune trailer in the Oscars, 00:03:38.646 --> 00:03:41.086 like, you know, sort of going to get people hyped to the audience that is not, 00:03:41.206 --> 00:03:43.986 you know, all of these things that make no sense, that's where my point of view 00:03:43.986 --> 00:03:47.086 comes in, then there's the fashion, things like that, which other people can 00:03:47.086 --> 00:03:48.246 pontificate about, certainly. 00:03:49.065 --> 00:03:54.785 Oh no i like your fashion i want your fashion tape you do not trust me if you're 00:03:54.785 --> 00:03:58.385 on video you don't even need my fashion ships that's pretty obvious so yes exactly 00:03:58.385 --> 00:04:04.825 oh dear um but there was quite a lot of storylines that came out of the night 00:04:04.825 --> 00:04:07.385 i want to focus on the big things, 00:04:07.985 --> 00:04:14.645 which is matt berry's voice that was a fun little aside well we're obviously 00:04:14.645 --> 00:04:16.725 pretty aware of it here in the UK. 00:04:17.245 --> 00:04:22.185 He was a from London apparently so that's also technical feet there. 00:04:23.065 --> 00:04:28.925 Yeah we had Mighty Boosh. I think he did see the IT crowd. 00:04:29.485 --> 00:04:34.285 All these shows that I've watched but yeah he's pretty magnificent isn't it? 00:04:34.545 --> 00:04:38.885 Yeah it was a fun side. I think he did a great job having a lot of fun with Conan there. 00:04:39.745 --> 00:04:45.185 I have also seen super cuts of just Matt Barry saying stuff. 00:04:46.965 --> 00:04:50.325 I'm sure there's a rabbit hole you can go to on the illustrious YouTube if you 00:04:50.325 --> 00:04:51.465 want to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it was. 00:04:52.485 --> 00:04:55.225 Yes, I was right, by the way. I thought I knew I wasn't going to Matt. 00:04:55.285 --> 00:04:58.585 The IT crowd, the mighty boosh, and a bunch of other stuff as well. 00:04:58.765 --> 00:05:01.865 But those are my two personal fave at Matt Berry moments. 00:05:03.082 --> 00:05:05.962 Um so how did the show go over because 00:05:05.962 --> 00:05:08.582 i feel like people are kind of every and i think you've been 00:05:08.582 --> 00:05:11.382 on this show before discussing it with me every year everyone's 00:05:11.382 --> 00:05:15.502 like no one cares about the oscars it's over the whole thing is over who cares 00:05:15.502 --> 00:05:20.322 the jokes are like blah blah blah blah blah here's coding over right yeah i 00:05:20.322 --> 00:05:25.162 mean sure the show starts at seven o'clock uh here in new york uh which is a 00:05:25.162 --> 00:05:29.142 different that's been a past couple of years now this has been a shift it was forever at 8 p.m. 00:05:29.422 --> 00:05:34.682 Eastern time. So, you know, to my clock, by the time from Conan walking out 00:05:34.682 --> 00:05:39.582 or the Conan coming up in his great weapons, Satisak Radio to open up the show, 00:05:39.662 --> 00:05:41.702 which I thought was fantastic, to the end. 00:05:42.382 --> 00:05:45.782 Final credits, it was three hours, I think 44 minutes. 00:05:47.822 --> 00:05:51.762 Yeah, that's the appropriate reaction, Charlotte, to that. You're listening 00:05:51.762 --> 00:05:53.942 on. You're just listening. 00:05:55.262 --> 00:05:59.102 Jump to YouTube. Jump to YouTube real quick. Yes, exactly. That is the correct 00:05:59.102 --> 00:06:01.342 facial expression to react to that stat. 00:06:02.542 --> 00:06:06.302 So, which is the thing I think you're talking about. It's just like, it's over stuff. 00:06:06.542 --> 00:06:08.562 There's things that are in there that, you know, I mean, the thing that always 00:06:08.562 --> 00:06:11.502 astounds me, and I'm not going to be the only person who has said this or will 00:06:11.502 --> 00:06:15.862 say this, is, you know, this is ostensibly to honor the artist. 00:06:16.162 --> 00:06:20.922 That is the center of this evening is to award, you know, honor the winners 00:06:20.922 --> 00:06:27.522 of these achievements. And perennially, the constant task of the show is to get them off the stage. 00:06:28.302 --> 00:06:31.142 There's a very horrific, just a bad look. 00:06:31.583 --> 00:06:36.343 In the best song winner last night, which went to Golden from K-Pop Demon Hunters, 00:06:36.623 --> 00:06:39.103 just blatantly cut this guy off after one minute. 00:06:39.283 --> 00:06:43.463 And I'm like, this is K-Pop Demon Hunters, arguably the most popular film in 00:06:43.463 --> 00:06:46.943 that entire show from an audience point of view. 00:06:47.583 --> 00:06:49.423 And you cut that one off. 00:06:50.303 --> 00:06:52.623 And those are the maddening things that kind of happen every year. 00:06:52.743 --> 00:06:59.523 And it becomes a gristmill to kind of just go and talk about it bad. 00:06:59.523 --> 00:07:03.863 But it's and then, you know, then there's just an hour, a minute and 40 seconds 00:07:03.863 --> 00:07:07.343 of like stilted presenter talk that is not needed. 00:07:07.583 --> 00:07:11.243 And it's more misses than hits, you know, in terms of how that stuff comes across. 00:07:11.483 --> 00:07:13.683 So all these choices are short, they go into the show. 00:07:14.163 --> 00:07:17.183 But the in memoriam, I think across the board was lauded. 00:07:17.403 --> 00:07:19.703 And rightfully so. I thought it really stood out last night, 00:07:19.703 --> 00:07:22.283 usually a segment, you know, that is in every award show. 00:07:22.623 --> 00:07:27.463 You know, this is a nice moment of reflection. but we lost a lot of really big 00:07:27.463 --> 00:07:29.663 names this year in movie business. 00:07:29.923 --> 00:07:33.563 So that was incredibly well handled, I thought, or well presented, I should say. 00:07:33.863 --> 00:07:38.263 So there were good moments, but again, how the Oscars or the Academy choose 00:07:38.263 --> 00:07:44.483 to use their time in this show still will confound people and we'll see if it 00:07:44.483 --> 00:07:46.403 manifests in the ratings or not. 00:07:48.483 --> 00:07:53.003 Let's, you've kind of led me to something I was gonna maybe avoid. Okay. 00:07:54.512 --> 00:07:58.692 But it's irritated me. I've seen lots of clips. All right. 00:07:59.072 --> 00:08:05.952 I don't care what actor XYZ thinks about World Affair XYZ. 00:08:06.312 --> 00:08:09.332 Thank you, partner. Thank the custom crew. 00:08:10.092 --> 00:08:12.572 Have a nice cry. Move on. 00:08:13.452 --> 00:08:18.772 Yeah, you know, it's, I don't know that there's, I don't know what I was expecting. 00:08:18.972 --> 00:08:22.112 You could have told me it would have been full of it last night or, 00:08:22.112 --> 00:08:25.332 you know, none of it. I don't think it was predominant, certainly. 00:08:25.572 --> 00:08:29.512 And there was a documentary which was about Russia and Putin. 00:08:29.672 --> 00:08:34.372 So you're going to have those categories where the films, there's a school shooting 00:08:34.372 --> 00:08:36.412 documentary about parents who lost kids. 00:08:36.632 --> 00:08:39.792 So you're going to have those elements and those categories come up. And rightfully so. 00:08:39.892 --> 00:08:44.952 And I thought those speeches were pretty well handled in terms of how it presented it. 00:08:45.012 --> 00:08:50.112 But then you get other just declarations of things by a few actors during the show. 00:08:50.872 --> 00:08:53.852 It's Hollywood. you know it's it's it does 00:08:53.852 --> 00:08:56.632 define the free speech we enjoy here and i 00:08:56.632 --> 00:08:59.372 do whether you you know scoff or don't and 00:08:59.372 --> 00:09:02.232 i get it but i will defend the right for anybody to who 00:09:02.232 --> 00:09:05.072 you want to use your time like that that is that is your your right to 00:09:05.072 --> 00:09:09.552 do it and i'm happy to see you do it does it make a more popular response to 00:09:09.552 --> 00:09:12.932 the show does it help the show you can argue those things people are not here 00:09:12.932 --> 00:09:17.632 uh for that kind of thing so yeah look i don't want to go full shut up and dribble 00:09:17.632 --> 00:09:23.212 but yeah there is you know yeah you're not a global a fez expert no. 00:09:24.787 --> 00:09:30.627 Yeah, there's certainly an element of, what are you going to, 00:09:30.687 --> 00:09:32.347 you know, okay, are you going to stand up? 00:09:32.387 --> 00:09:36.727 Are you not going to work with production companies or studios that don't align to your views? 00:09:36.767 --> 00:09:40.047 You're not taking checks from people? You know, how far are you not going with this? 00:09:40.967 --> 00:09:44.467 We're coming to that later. You can take this to an end degree here where, 00:09:44.487 --> 00:09:47.867 you know, put your money where your mouth is if you really believe in this stuff. 00:09:48.587 --> 00:09:52.987 And some people do. I don't say that they don't, but that's also something to 00:09:52.987 --> 00:09:56.627 kind of keep an eye on in terms of, you know, careers and how it goes. 00:09:56.847 --> 00:09:58.967 If people were not allowed to do it. 00:10:00.202 --> 00:10:04.342 Could we go from three hours, 44 to 44 minutes? 00:10:05.302 --> 00:10:09.822 Yeah, but I don't think it was. It wasn't that dominant of like, 00:10:09.922 --> 00:10:13.382 oh, my God, this is going on and on about like, you know, it was I thought it was. 00:10:13.502 --> 00:10:16.622 Yes, there were moments, but it wasn't like we get it, you know, 00:10:16.762 --> 00:10:19.502 or dominated the theme of the show. 00:10:19.702 --> 00:10:23.982 What was it? My takeaway from the show, I'll put it that way. The best or the most. 00:10:24.262 --> 00:10:29.182 I'll say that. That's totally fair enough. I actually think I've seen some stuff 00:10:29.182 --> 00:10:35.762 from the red carpet, which actually is more of that kind of thing. I would think so, yeah. 00:10:37.462 --> 00:10:41.062 Maybe I'm being a bit mean. Yeah, and I did not watch, to be clear, 00:10:41.122 --> 00:10:42.142 I did not watch the red carpet. 00:10:42.282 --> 00:10:43.462 I just watched the show, so I 00:10:43.462 --> 00:10:46.802 didn't see all the preamble. You had some other things to do in your day. 00:10:48.122 --> 00:10:51.782 I had some. Well, I had to clear out four hours of my schedule, 00:10:51.982 --> 00:10:53.782 so I knew I had to get everything else done beforehand. 00:10:53.982 --> 00:10:56.922 I couldn't leave in that time. One day in New York, there were things to do. 00:10:56.962 --> 00:10:59.742 There were things going on on the weekend, yes, exactly. Very good. 00:11:00.582 --> 00:11:03.702 Let's actually talk about people that won stuff and didn't win stuff. 00:11:04.442 --> 00:11:09.762 For you, were there any great shocks in any of this? Let's just do the – should 00:11:09.762 --> 00:11:10.982 I do the big hitters quickly? 00:11:11.262 --> 00:11:13.182 Best Picture, One Battle After Another. 00:11:13.862 --> 00:11:19.102 Best Actress, Jessie Buckley for Hamnet. Best Actor, Michael B. Jordan in Sinners. 00:11:19.342 --> 00:11:24.042 Best Supporting Actress, Amy Madigan for Weapons. and best portability actor 00:11:24.042 --> 00:11:27.942 Sean Penn for one battle after another, and best director Paul Thomas Anderson 00:11:27.942 --> 00:11:31.502 for one battle after another. Those are the big ones. 00:11:32.062 --> 00:11:33.662 Any shocks in there? 00:11:35.202 --> 00:11:38.282 Sinister, I thought, was going to clear the board. That was the story and the 00:11:38.282 --> 00:11:39.382 narrative I was hearing before. 00:11:40.325 --> 00:11:46.265 It's only Michael B. Jordan, right, that won one of the big six or whatever, seven awards? 00:11:46.445 --> 00:11:50.425 Yeah, a cooler one for Screenplay, so you could put that. And at 100% of photography, 00:11:50.665 --> 00:11:56.345 which is probably, among the punditry, that seemed to be the one that was a 00:11:56.345 --> 00:11:59.985 mild surprise. Now that Sinners is a beautiful movie, you know. 00:12:01.245 --> 00:12:05.225 So that did win in other categories. Maybe not the top five, 00:12:05.385 --> 00:12:10.245 big six, whatever you want to call them, but certainly the next hero of awards there. 00:12:10.325 --> 00:12:13.745 As you say, it is Ryan Coogler for Sinners. 00:12:14.505 --> 00:12:19.705 And then, as it happened, one battle after another, best adapted screenplay. 00:12:19.945 --> 00:12:24.705 Yep, yep. If you care about the score, which I'm a bit of a musician, that's what I do. 00:12:25.025 --> 00:12:31.005 That also went to Sinners, as did, as you say, cinematography from all the characters around Acapul. 00:12:31.265 --> 00:12:33.965 Yeah, so it had a good presence in the show. It wasn't like, 00:12:34.065 --> 00:12:35.685 oh, we've got blanked or something like that. 00:12:36.105 --> 00:12:42.785 After getting the most nominations ever, right? Right, right. So, you know, I get it. 00:12:42.925 --> 00:12:46.245 And it's like I was probably, if you asked me what I was rooting for, Best Picture to win. 00:12:46.365 --> 00:12:52.425 And I could see that scenario groundswell if it was the more popular movie overall, et cetera. 00:12:52.625 --> 00:12:56.745 But, you know, One Battle was winning everything leading up to it. 00:12:56.865 --> 00:12:59.585 So there wasn't like a, you know, in terms of the Best Picture of all the, 00:12:59.585 --> 00:13:03.445 you know, PGA and all the other things that preceded at Golden Globes, et cetera. 00:13:03.445 --> 00:13:07.725 So not a total surprise, but, you know, if you look at the, you know, 00:13:07.825 --> 00:13:11.705 the Calciades, the Polymarketed odds, all those actor winners were, 00:13:11.845 --> 00:13:15.645 there was not a surprise in the bunch as far as I saw there. 00:13:15.885 --> 00:13:20.325 So, you know, nothing's boring per se, they all deserved it, 00:13:20.385 --> 00:13:24.225 but there was no real like, oh my God, this was unexpected kind of thing. 00:13:24.385 --> 00:13:27.485 There was no, there was no Raoul's surprise. 00:13:28.082 --> 00:13:31.522 Yeah, because, I mean, interesting, Apple got in there as well into the Best 00:13:31.522 --> 00:13:35.142 Picture nominations for F1 in the movie, which is quite a big deal for them. 00:13:35.382 --> 00:13:38.442 Yeah, and they won on, I think, some editing and sound, which, 00:13:38.562 --> 00:13:41.362 you know, fantastic, well-deserved awards for sure. 00:13:41.762 --> 00:13:46.182 Yeah, and it's quite a big deal for them. Well, I'll talk about this next TV Plus talk. 00:13:46.482 --> 00:13:50.662 But so there was quite a lot there. Were you surprised Marty Supreme didn't get any? 00:13:50.782 --> 00:13:55.262 I mean, there was so much talk about it earlier, you know, a few months ago, wasn't there? 00:13:56.182 --> 00:13:59.922 Yeah i mean it did very very well at the bus office and that was a big thing 00:13:59.922 --> 00:14:07.042 exactly you know so it got up to almost or 100 million ish uh so yeah i don't 00:14:07.042 --> 00:14:08.362 mean to do well on streaming, 00:14:09.102 --> 00:14:12.822 uh yeah it'll hit it's gonna be on hvmx here i'm not sure where you know it'll 00:14:12.822 --> 00:14:14.242 be uh elsewhere in the world but 00:14:14.242 --> 00:14:20.142 um yeah i you know uh it was the chalamet show and he kind of you know uh, 00:14:21.102 --> 00:14:26.862 by most accounts not flubbed it but certainly was just like well I don't know that he landed his plane. 00:14:28.002 --> 00:14:32.802 Obviously he's been lauded before so I don't you know it is what it is but he certainly had more heat, 00:14:33.302 --> 00:14:36.942 in December and early January and I think you're 100% right about oh my god 00:14:36.942 --> 00:14:40.542 this is amazing yeah I felt like there was either side of Christmas it was all 00:14:40.542 --> 00:14:44.762 anyone was talking about yeah and you know this competition had come out in 00:14:44.762 --> 00:14:49.162 April and September so he was the new you know he had that momentum going into 00:14:49.162 --> 00:14:50.742 you know the heart of Oscar season, 00:14:50.902 --> 00:14:54.142 if you will, compared to the competition, certainly for Sinners, 00:14:54.282 --> 00:14:57.242 which again was in April release last year. 00:14:57.742 --> 00:15:01.342 So that's the only real surprise. I don't know that anything else in a category 00:15:01.342 --> 00:15:06.922 would have been the Safdies and maybe some more costume or cinematography stuff. 00:15:07.042 --> 00:15:12.082 I don't know that it wasn't winning the awards, the other precursor awards, 00:15:12.282 --> 00:15:17.642 so I don't know that it was a big surprise not to be winning there at all during the night. 00:15:18.468 --> 00:15:22.268 A couple of other Oscars points I want to pick up. There was a new category 00:15:22.268 --> 00:15:25.068 this year for the first time in a while for casting. 00:15:26.368 --> 00:15:30.488 I've been reading into this amazing. You know, I do actually sometimes prepare for the show. 00:15:30.988 --> 00:15:35.068 And my understanding was this has been something that the industry has been 00:15:35.068 --> 00:15:37.828 pushing for for a while for recognition in this space. 00:15:38.088 --> 00:15:42.468 Because, I mean, in Hollywood, having a good cast on a project is a really big deal. 00:15:43.028 --> 00:15:47.668 Yeah, it's kind of a hidden role in a sense. I mean, we know casting directors 00:15:47.668 --> 00:15:53.188 exist, et cetera, but the importance of really having a real voice in the room 00:15:53.188 --> 00:15:54.648 to advocate for casting. 00:15:54.828 --> 00:15:58.648 And movies, you know, a lot of elements go into the success of a film, 00:15:58.728 --> 00:16:04.848 but you can see somebody in the wrong role can entirely ruin an otherwise good movie. Exactly. 00:16:05.188 --> 00:16:09.788 So someone like Chase Infinity in one battle, like finding – that's a big bet. 00:16:10.308 --> 00:16:14.288 I don't know. It was their first feature leading role. 00:16:14.288 --> 00:16:17.148 So it's like, all right, that's, you know, so you're putting that, 00:16:17.188 --> 00:16:21.228 that is a casting director, seeing someone, you know, something in someone and 00:16:21.228 --> 00:16:24.608 putting their, you know, reputation or their, whatever you want to call it, 00:16:24.648 --> 00:16:26.608 you know, on the line with, with the, with the studio, 00:16:26.888 --> 00:16:29.568 with the director, with the, even the, the woman who won was just like, 00:16:29.648 --> 00:16:31.128 I know some of you departments, you know, 00:16:31.548 --> 00:16:35.308 kind of hate me sometimes because I'm really involved in these other aspects. 00:16:35.308 --> 00:16:38.728 It's not just like, oh, looking at headshots and talking to somebody in a room 00:16:38.728 --> 00:16:40.208 with a camcorder kind of thing. 00:16:40.288 --> 00:16:42.468 Or even now it's, you know, over Zoom or whatever it might be. 00:16:42.628 --> 00:16:44.308 So even that's kind of out the board. 00:16:44.948 --> 00:16:49.168 So, yeah, there's been a lot of advocacy to, you know, reward this. 00:16:49.348 --> 00:16:52.688 You know, everything else has costume and, you know, cinematography. 00:16:53.008 --> 00:16:55.748 There's other categories to have recognition. Casting never did, 00:16:55.868 --> 00:16:57.248 which is a major component. 00:16:57.388 --> 00:17:00.368 If you watch the credits of any film, the casting director is one of the lead 00:17:00.368 --> 00:17:04.148 credits on it. It was never recognized by the Academy. So nice to see. 00:17:05.468 --> 00:17:09.988 I was slightly surprised when I heard it hadn't been recognised because I don't 00:17:09.988 --> 00:17:14.248 see that it's less important than things like costume, hair and make-up, 00:17:15.065 --> 00:17:18.945 Agitation photography. A couple of other bits. 00:17:19.165 --> 00:17:23.745 There was quite a dramatic moment, wasn't there? When there was a tie for the first time in forever. 00:17:24.585 --> 00:17:31.165 Yeah. That was in the best live action short. The thing is, at two people exchanging saliva. Mm-hmm. 00:17:31.865 --> 00:17:36.705 Mm. Can we talk about that tie? No. Oh, well. I'm quite worried what a live 00:17:36.705 --> 00:17:40.725 action short with that tie would contain. But anyway, they tied. 00:17:41.005 --> 00:17:43.025 And this hadn't happened for a long while. 00:17:43.705 --> 00:17:45.045 Yeah, it's pretty rare to see 00:17:45.045 --> 00:17:48.705 this. The Kumi-Anon Sian, who was the presenter, handled it rather well. 00:17:49.265 --> 00:17:51.385 And having some fun with it, that was a good person to have, 00:17:51.385 --> 00:17:53.825 you know, on their feet to handle that moment. 00:17:54.705 --> 00:17:58.165 Yes, he did very well. He was like, no, I'm not joking. Exactly. 00:17:58.425 --> 00:18:01.365 And the irony of having, you know, two speeches for the best short category, 00:18:01.625 --> 00:18:03.525 you know, things like that, that, you know, disappointed. 00:18:05.285 --> 00:18:09.225 So, yeah, you know, it's like fun. It'll be a fun fact in Oscar history kind 00:18:09.225 --> 00:18:12.025 of moment, certainly. but added one more speech to the night, 00:18:12.125 --> 00:18:13.425 but that's, you know, it is what it is. 00:18:15.485 --> 00:18:19.385 I always am interested, as you know, in the streaming elements of this. 00:18:20.285 --> 00:18:23.865 And it was a huge deal. I put this in my book. I put this in streaming wars. 00:18:24.005 --> 00:18:29.685 When Apple beat Netflix, when they did, it was Best Picture of the Apple one, 00:18:29.785 --> 00:18:32.485 wasn't it? Coda, yeah. For Coda, exactly. 00:18:33.325 --> 00:18:36.705 And I mean, we could debate whether that was an actual Apple movie or not because 00:18:36.705 --> 00:18:39.785 they picked it up at Cannes, but they claimed the credit for it. 00:18:39.785 --> 00:18:41.105 Yes, they get the points. They get the points. 00:18:41.285 --> 00:18:43.745 It was a huge deal, because Netflix had wanted that for years, 00:18:43.965 --> 00:18:47.445 and Apple became the first streamer to pick up that prestigious award. 00:18:47.745 --> 00:18:49.905 How did the streamers perform this year, do you think? 00:18:50.696 --> 00:18:56.856 Um, pretty, I mean, Netflix, Frankenstein won all the awards we just mentioned, 00:18:57.056 --> 00:19:00.856 the, you know, the costume and those kinds of production awards, 00:19:01.136 --> 00:19:04.596 if you will, you know, best makeup, best costume. 00:19:05.036 --> 00:19:09.196 Yep. So they had a presence, you know, in the show. It was just in those categories. 00:19:09.636 --> 00:19:13.656 Train Dreams was nominated for a lot. I don't think it won any. I don't believe. 00:19:13.896 --> 00:19:16.616 I love that movie. I thought it was great to another great shop. 00:19:16.616 --> 00:19:20.076 But they also bought that movie that wasn't, you know, an in-house movie for them either. 00:19:21.116 --> 00:19:23.136 Trading Dreams, that is Frankenstein, was produced there. 00:19:24.356 --> 00:19:26.736 So, you know, the saga continues. 00:19:29.316 --> 00:19:34.996 And they tightened the rules about actual cinematic windows, haven't they? 00:19:35.516 --> 00:19:38.536 Yeah, they've added a few things, nothing that's insurmountable. 00:19:38.656 --> 00:19:40.716 You had to go into a few more cities and things like that. 00:19:40.796 --> 00:19:43.256 It wasn't anything like, oh, my God, it's going to be so, especially for a company 00:19:43.256 --> 00:19:47.076 with the pockets of these, the tech streamers, It's not a real big deal. 00:19:47.176 --> 00:19:48.396 That would be okay. Yeah. 00:19:49.056 --> 00:19:52.616 But Amazon had nothing on the table this year. It said F1, you know, 00:19:52.716 --> 00:19:54.096 right? Apple had a couple of the wins. 00:19:55.316 --> 00:19:59.056 And so they had a presence, but certainly were not. I mean, it was Warner Bros. 00:19:59.096 --> 00:20:00.516 Year overall, but it certainly was. 00:20:00.756 --> 00:20:05.996 You know, there was not a last year. Amelia Perez was a big movie going into the show, at least. 00:20:06.796 --> 00:20:09.596 So it's a far bigger presence last year. 00:20:09.736 --> 00:20:13.716 Again, a film they acquired, you know, out of Cannes the year before. 00:20:13.716 --> 00:20:17.916 So it still means something to Netflix. These films are not heavily watched. 00:20:18.356 --> 00:20:22.696 I break down the film chart every week in the wake up, and they're... 00:20:24.648 --> 00:20:28.928 Minimal, you know, viewership in terms of compared to the rips of the world 00:20:28.928 --> 00:20:33.408 or people who meet on vacation or, you know, name other Netflix films that are widely watched. 00:20:34.008 --> 00:20:36.348 So it's a business they like being in. 00:20:37.128 --> 00:20:41.688 Again, it's for the kind of the prestige. My colleague Richard Rush will say 00:20:41.688 --> 00:20:45.408 everybody comes into Hollywood to literally be at this show and to win awards, 00:20:45.408 --> 00:20:47.608 you know, is a big part of the reason my buddy buys a studio. 00:20:47.888 --> 00:20:50.948 So they're still playing. They haven't abandoned it. And Amazon, 00:20:51.108 --> 00:20:54.148 you could argue, never really kind of stepped their tone for a while, 00:20:54.248 --> 00:20:56.828 but they really haven't been a major player in this field. 00:20:56.928 --> 00:20:59.448 I guess that's the only real outlier, Charlotte, of the big tech players you 00:20:59.448 --> 00:21:00.588 could probably make a case for. Yeah. 00:21:01.310 --> 00:21:04.090 You mentioned Warner Brothers Discovery. 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Sean. 00:22:46.070 --> 00:22:50.150 We know now that it's going to Paramount. We know it's not going to Netflix, right? 00:22:51.250 --> 00:22:55.290 Unless the government has something, or the EU over there has something to say about it. 00:22:55.950 --> 00:22:59.590 We're not in India anymore. Well, I mean, over there, across the pond over there. 00:22:59.770 --> 00:23:01.890 So, you know, yes, yes, yes, exactly. 00:23:02.270 --> 00:23:09.770 So, you know, so I would say, you know, yes, all signs point to yes for a deal to go through. 00:23:10.010 --> 00:23:13.610 But there's a lot of, you know, there's still rumblings out there. 00:23:13.810 --> 00:23:18.070 Charlotte, nothing has materialized at this point. Even the individual states 00:23:18.070 --> 00:23:21.290 here, California in particular, the attorney general has, you know, 00:23:21.350 --> 00:23:24.630 made some statements that there may be challenges coming to it. 00:23:26.290 --> 00:23:29.690 So not, you know, again, there has been a shareholder about things like that. 00:23:29.730 --> 00:23:33.510 So there are steps in the process of what I'm alluding to and that this isn't a done deal. 00:23:33.590 --> 00:23:36.350 It's not done until you get the keys, you know, so we'll see. 00:23:36.570 --> 00:23:39.090 But don't do this to be sure. And I can't write anymore. 00:23:39.330 --> 00:23:41.990 Don't I have the one I'm the one who has to sit here and really live with it, 00:23:42.090 --> 00:23:43.790 you know, on a day to day basis for another. 00:23:44.610 --> 00:23:47.710 I mean, they say, you know, they're saying this. I agree so many newsletters 00:23:47.710 --> 00:23:48.890 about it. I can't do it anymore. 00:23:49.270 --> 00:23:52.430 Yeah, I'm glad to have a nice break for a couple of weeks here and talk about 00:23:52.430 --> 00:23:53.510 the Oscars and things like that. 00:23:53.510 --> 00:23:57.150 But end of September is what they've said to this deal will close by. 00:23:57.750 --> 00:24:03.130 So about six months, you know, if they're on deadline, you know, so we'll see. Yeah. 00:24:03.830 --> 00:24:09.150 One of the key parts of the row is CNN and CBS News. 00:24:10.997 --> 00:24:15.177 Which might end up as part of the same thing. What does that happen? 00:24:15.477 --> 00:24:18.657 And, of course, this means people are talking about Barry Weiss. 00:24:18.817 --> 00:24:23.937 Now, I can't quite work out what offends people about the gay, 00:24:24.217 --> 00:24:27.477 Jewish, center-right, rich journalist. 00:24:28.357 --> 00:24:30.577 But something seems to, Sean. 00:24:31.477 --> 00:24:36.077 Yeah, not a favorite of the media community. We'll put it that way, 00:24:36.137 --> 00:24:37.677 especially here in New York. 00:24:39.517 --> 00:24:43.457 As I said, it just can't work out what that might be. or someone who has zero 00:24:43.457 --> 00:24:48.257 broadcast television experience taking over a broadcast news division and said 00:24:48.257 --> 00:24:52.817 now potentially the world's largest, you know, uh, 00:24:53.357 --> 00:24:57.577 arguably news service or some TV, uh, especially from a news gathering capacity, 00:24:57.577 --> 00:25:00.897 you know, point of view and, and, uh, reach a hundred percent in CNN. 00:25:01.477 --> 00:25:07.497 So you're putting all this under the purview of someone who has had zero experience with any of this. 00:25:07.517 --> 00:25:13.297 Um, So, I take more offense from a managerial point of view than any ideological point of view. 00:25:13.637 --> 00:25:16.577 I think it's very important, but I also just think if you've ever worked inside 00:25:16.577 --> 00:25:20.417 of a company and spent many years inside of HBO and Time Warner, 00:25:20.597 --> 00:25:24.657 and you have a new management coming in who has no idea what they're talking about, 00:25:25.417 --> 00:25:28.297 that's always terrible for morale and things that have new ideas, 00:25:28.417 --> 00:25:29.397 it's going to change the business. 00:25:31.351 --> 00:25:35.031 I don't know, I guess we're three months into the new CBS Evening News revamp, 00:25:35.051 --> 00:25:39.631 and I've seen zero mention of the show. I'm sure it's still in the basement in the ratings. 00:25:40.151 --> 00:25:42.851 You know, all these things. What could we do to change the 6.30 p.m. 00:25:42.851 --> 00:25:46.011 News at night? And it's like, what year are you living in? 00:25:46.151 --> 00:25:50.431 This is not how, you know, news. And to her point, she's, I guess, 00:25:50.831 --> 00:25:52.371 she's like, we need to be more digital. 00:25:52.551 --> 00:25:55.251 We need to break out of it. Yeah, she surely writes about that. 00:25:55.471 --> 00:25:58.511 Yeah, and 100%. CNN is the same issue. You know, I mean, listen, 00:25:58.631 --> 00:26:01.711 these are two declining assets. You're combining them together, 00:26:01.891 --> 00:26:05.011 that's great. If you ask Mark Thompson, by the way. Yes, the head of CNN. 00:26:05.631 --> 00:26:09.291 Yeah, the head of CNN. Okay, he had BBC Express, then he was at the New York Times. 00:26:10.551 --> 00:26:14.411 He even makes similar points about shaking things up, about going digital. 00:26:16.075 --> 00:26:19.495 I mean, there might not be an answer, is the thing. I mean, you know, and Mark's a smart guy. 00:26:19.595 --> 00:26:25.215 Mark is one of the leaders that turned around, you know, set the fortunes for the New York Times. 00:26:25.395 --> 00:26:28.555 It's like he was, the Iowa put the paywall in and put big moves that we kind 00:26:28.555 --> 00:26:29.695 of take for granted at this point. 00:26:29.815 --> 00:26:32.875 But without that, you can't imagine the Times would be, you know, 00:26:32.995 --> 00:26:35.575 probably a very perilous decision if they had made those decisions, 00:26:35.795 --> 00:26:38.335 you know, almost 10, 15 years ago at this point. 00:26:38.415 --> 00:26:41.235 So he's been there to be that transition that was more newspaper, 00:26:41.495 --> 00:26:46.075 print newspaper to digital. And now he's at this, you know, beyond the cusp 00:26:46.075 --> 00:26:50.615 of linear television to digital, which is, you know, way beyond the horses out 00:26:50.615 --> 00:26:52.135 of the barn at this point about that. 00:26:52.275 --> 00:26:55.555 But they launched CNN, DDC subscriber product. 00:26:55.775 --> 00:26:59.215 I've seen zero stats made for it in terms of subscribers or revenue. 00:27:00.475 --> 00:27:04.715 I'm trying to take a long time to get there. Yeah, well, they had the CNN Plus 00:27:04.715 --> 00:27:06.575 debacle, which came in once and 00:27:06.575 --> 00:27:09.375 that kind of played out with the change in management with Chris Licht. 00:27:09.455 --> 00:27:12.175 And then that's what brought Mark in. And so they had some, you know, 00:27:12.235 --> 00:27:17.035 this is all as is the 2020s, as this was, you know, so like time waits for no man in this. 00:27:17.275 --> 00:27:20.715 The bleed of cable is not stopping just because you can't get your act together 00:27:20.715 --> 00:27:22.615 in a certain amount of time. 00:27:22.875 --> 00:27:27.115 So, yeah, but what, you know, who's paying for new? What do you pay for this stuff? 00:27:27.315 --> 00:27:30.955 You know, the CNN audience and all the cable networks, it's, 00:27:31.055 --> 00:27:34.175 you know, the median age is 68, 69 years old. 00:27:34.315 --> 00:27:38.055 It's like you're going to get 18 year olds to pay for news. I don't know. 00:27:38.255 --> 00:27:42.135 What's the what's the business model on this? The cable model is a very, 00:27:42.155 --> 00:27:46.655 very lucrative model for many years, and the chances of replicating that money 00:27:46.655 --> 00:27:47.735 in digital are very slim. 00:27:48.395 --> 00:27:53.535 I mean, Jeff Sarkar famously, the former head of CNN, was trading linear dollars 00:27:53.535 --> 00:27:56.995 for digital dimes, I think, was his analogy on it. 00:27:57.235 --> 00:28:03.595 And when you want to pay Anderson Cooper $700 million a year and his other names, 00:28:03.775 --> 00:28:05.615 that's linear money that's supporting that. 00:28:05.735 --> 00:28:08.355 That is not CNN.com. It is not CNN streaming service. 00:28:08.535 --> 00:28:11.275 It's not that kind of math. Who left. 00:28:11.862 --> 00:28:16.842 CBS 60 Minutes. Yes, he is CNN only. He was spending more time with his family's show. 00:28:17.002 --> 00:28:20.162 So that was literally, I think, the line that was put out there. 00:28:20.402 --> 00:28:24.182 But now he'll be working back under CBS News. So we'll see how that goes. 00:28:25.822 --> 00:28:31.462 I mean, we could talk about this. I could chat about the sort of Barry Weiss 00:28:31.462 --> 00:28:36.062 obsession for a long time, but I'll resist. Okay. 00:28:36.902 --> 00:28:41.862 What else do you think is significant about this deal? So I heard, 00:28:42.282 --> 00:28:45.642 didn't Paramount say they put out 30 movies a year? 00:28:46.202 --> 00:28:51.462 Yeah, so Ellison's now been on the record several times saying that Paramount 00:28:51.462 --> 00:28:53.922 and Warner Brothers, so Warner Brothers will, 00:28:54.322 --> 00:28:57.782 this is under my companions of the Sinners in one battle, they both put those 00:28:57.782 --> 00:29:03.122 movies out last year, will combine to put out 15 theatrical films a year. 00:29:03.422 --> 00:29:06.442 So at Paramount it hasn't... 00:29:06.947 --> 00:29:10.547 Where did the third she come from? So it's roughly 14 from Warner, 00:29:10.727 --> 00:29:13.447 16 from Paramount as well. He's kind of breaking it down to this point. 00:29:13.607 --> 00:29:17.307 That makes us evolve over time, obviously. But he said 30 movies a year. 00:29:19.027 --> 00:29:24.267 Paramount hasn't put 10 movies out in a year, and I can't even remember. 00:29:24.467 --> 00:29:32.847 So he's guaranteeing 16 this year. I think they have eight or nine dated so far. 00:29:32.887 --> 00:29:35.667 So they've got to double their slate. We're here in March. 00:29:36.027 --> 00:29:39.067 I'm like, all right, you're going to be jib-hacking that last second half of 00:29:39.067 --> 00:29:41.887 the year here with new movies, which is great. I'm not saying he won't, 00:29:42.007 --> 00:29:43.927 and it's not impossible to do. 00:29:44.207 --> 00:29:46.627 It's just like, all right, you have a system built. 00:29:47.107 --> 00:29:50.947 I mean, I'm talking marketing distribution. You're in-house staff to service 00:29:50.947 --> 00:29:53.487 eight to nine movies, the actual movie is a year. 00:29:53.647 --> 00:29:58.127 You're now going to be doing 16 this year. And look, maybe that's more jobs. 00:29:58.947 --> 00:30:01.827 We will see. But he said it. 00:30:02.667 --> 00:30:05.607 He's definitely on the record about it, and we'll see if the numbers come through. 00:30:06.167 --> 00:30:11.727 Warners has been ramping up and hiring and to get to a higher level, maybe more like 12 to 14. 00:30:12.207 --> 00:30:18.087 So that one, if it continues as is, you know, sure, they can hit that number 00:30:18.087 --> 00:30:22.107 and it will be great for the movie business, you know, since to have the parents out there. Uncynical. 00:30:23.107 --> 00:30:25.087 Unscethical. The films have to make money. I mean, you know, 00:30:25.207 --> 00:30:28.407 so you can put, you know, they have two years of bombs or 30 years of movies 00:30:28.407 --> 00:30:29.907 a year and you're like, we're losing a lot of money. 00:30:30.007 --> 00:30:34.127 We're going to be cutting back, you know, so the movie business is always a very fluid thing. 00:30:34.227 --> 00:30:38.627 Charlotte, but we also have Universal Pictures, you know, now changing course 00:30:38.627 --> 00:30:44.767 to put their films in theaters for 45 days, starting next year exclusively, so they were famously, 00:30:45.458 --> 00:30:50.298 You know, the studio that had the shortest theatrical windows for the 2020s since COVID. 00:30:50.618 --> 00:30:54.058 And that's going to be a big shift also. So I, you know, I broke this down to 00:30:54.058 --> 00:30:56.358 wake up last week and I'm a little more optimistic about this. 00:30:56.458 --> 00:30:59.158 And I can see, you know, whenever I talk about this, I see the look of like 00:30:59.158 --> 00:31:01.298 Rivero and people's faces. 00:31:01.518 --> 00:31:04.418 But, you know, I do. I am giving you a distinct. 00:31:06.518 --> 00:31:10.858 When I write in the newsletter, I can feel it already. But I just see that. 00:31:11.018 --> 00:31:12.378 All right. And I'm a believer in the business. 00:31:12.698 --> 00:31:16.018 And, you know, I will put that on the record. is that's my bias toward it. 00:31:16.178 --> 00:31:20.138 But when those are back, the product, how much product we're back, 00:31:20.278 --> 00:31:23.778 you have Amazon, MGM this year, filling that extra studio slot. 00:31:23.898 --> 00:31:27.798 They're targeting about 13 films, I think, this year, something like that so far. 00:31:28.258 --> 00:31:31.738 So you have a new studio, ostensibly, that was not there. They've been doing 00:31:31.738 --> 00:31:34.158 a handful of films a year previously. 00:31:34.658 --> 00:31:39.538 So again, getting that habit back of moviegoers, just like making moviegoing 00:31:39.538 --> 00:31:43.858 an activity that you'll have consistent product, new product. 00:31:43.858 --> 00:31:47.678 And bravery products coming to theaters all the time to different audiences. 00:31:48.018 --> 00:31:52.638 Maybe we'll get some comedy, Charlotte. I'm still holding on hope for that one. I love a comedy. 00:31:52.898 --> 00:31:56.398 I'm looking forward to all the Oracle AI produced movies. 00:31:58.865 --> 00:32:04.265 We'll see. AI is still this thing out there. I understand it's coming. 00:32:04.405 --> 00:32:05.225 I understand the tech of it. 00:32:05.745 --> 00:32:10.925 I just hope that, you know, the audiences will tell you if the films feel overly 00:32:10.925 --> 00:32:15.045 AI'd and produced and just not shot in any semblance of a real world and just 00:32:15.045 --> 00:32:19.425 don't bite anymore, they will not come to the movies. So the proof's in the audiences. 00:32:20.365 --> 00:32:23.605 What are the other bits? We've discussed the news element. We've discussed the 00:32:23.605 --> 00:32:27.525 movie element, which to me are the two big things in this mixture. 00:32:27.525 --> 00:32:30.785 What other bits will you be keeping an eye on as this goes forward? 00:32:31.565 --> 00:32:35.365 I mean, the job loss is just – that's the leap for me. 00:32:35.485 --> 00:32:37.425 I mean, honestly, you know, yeah. I mean, all these things you're talking about 00:32:37.425 --> 00:32:40.765 when you're combining CBS News and CNN, it's like, well, you're combining resources, 00:32:41.005 --> 00:32:43.645 you know, the – That means people losing their jobs. 00:32:43.905 --> 00:32:48.945 Yes, exactly. So the duplicative nature of the deal, the only thing that one 00:32:48.945 --> 00:32:51.525 of those discoveries doesn't have that Paramount doesn't have is a broadcast network. 00:32:51.765 --> 00:32:55.705 So, like, if you're at CBS, you're probably relatively safe because there's 00:32:55.705 --> 00:32:57.965 no other broadcast network coming to it. 00:32:58.005 --> 00:33:01.845 But you're combining two large groups of cable TV networks, you're combining 00:33:01.845 --> 00:33:05.905 two TV production studios, you're combining two movie studios, 00:33:06.085 --> 00:33:07.485 you're combining two streamers. 00:33:08.505 --> 00:33:12.305 This is the Noah's Ark thing. It's like, well, we don't need two ESO, 00:33:12.405 --> 00:33:14.905 which one are you keeping, these two executives kind of thing. 00:33:15.481 --> 00:33:20.101 It could be a lot of that. They have a lot of cost cuts, a lot of promised cost 00:33:20.101 --> 00:33:23.181 savings, I should say, sorry, promised in this deal. 00:33:23.481 --> 00:33:26.621 That is how you get cost savings. I know they've said the majority will not 00:33:26.621 --> 00:33:31.981 be, but when you're talking about at least $6 billion of cost savings, 00:33:32.161 --> 00:33:37.201 that's the minority would be, you could have $2.5 billion in layoff costs, 00:33:37.341 --> 00:33:39.461 and it still not be the majority of the cost savings. 00:33:39.661 --> 00:33:42.001 It's like, understand the language that's being put out there. 00:33:42.001 --> 00:33:45.941 Like, well, it wasn't the majority, but you want to look at what $2.5 billion 00:33:45.941 --> 00:33:50.841 of layoffs look like. I mean, you know, your head's going to spin. 00:33:50.981 --> 00:33:54.641 So I think the combined employment is somewhere around 50,000, 00:33:54.641 --> 00:33:56.081 55,000 people globally. 00:33:56.281 --> 00:34:02.401 So in a year's time, maybe 12 to 18 months, we will see what that number nets out to. 00:34:02.541 --> 00:34:06.101 But that's going to be the, you know, we've seen a lot of layoffs here. 00:34:06.321 --> 00:34:09.581 This isn't sadly anything new for the past, you know, three years. 00:34:09.581 --> 00:34:14.361 Hey, you were on the show regular times. 00:34:14.501 --> 00:34:17.481 You're telling me about what was happening with the strikes, 00:34:18.041 --> 00:34:24.021 which is ultimately about one of the key things was layoffs and the use. It comes sided. 00:34:24.541 --> 00:34:29.181 Yeah, yeah. Exactly. So it will be interesting to see what are those issues 00:34:29.181 --> 00:34:30.541 this deal picks up as well. 00:34:31.161 --> 00:34:33.581 Yeah, we are in the middle of deal negotiations here. 00:34:34.801 --> 00:34:39.421 Oh, no, not yet. I'll be back. Yeah, but we're a lot more optimistic this time. 00:34:39.581 --> 00:34:44.741 SAG just finished up, well, they just ended WGA Star Aesthetic and we're recording on Monday. 00:34:45.761 --> 00:34:50.481 So SAG, well, they reportedly got close. It's been pretty much, which is also good. 00:34:50.621 --> 00:34:54.021 There's not a lot of leaks, which also signed, you know, last time it was just Leak Central. 00:34:55.261 --> 00:34:59.141 So it seems like calmer heads are prevailing so far. 00:34:59.281 --> 00:35:02.881 We should also say we have a ways to go. This will extend into June between 00:35:02.881 --> 00:35:04.301 the three guilds of these talks. 00:35:04.641 --> 00:35:08.461 So we'll see how the WGA does here in the next, I think, four to six weeks is 00:35:08.461 --> 00:35:12.001 their window. So we shall see. But keep a good thought, Shirley. 00:35:12.574 --> 00:35:15.994 Oh, I'm so excited to have you back in four to six weeks. Disgusting. 00:35:18.474 --> 00:35:23.214 Sean McNulty from The Wake Up from The Ankler. I'm so pleased to have you here. 00:35:23.534 --> 00:35:25.754 Tell people where they can keep up with all the great work you do. 00:35:26.174 --> 00:35:29.814 Yes, you can subscribe to The Ankler over at TheAnkler.com. 00:35:29.954 --> 00:35:34.194 You can follow on the socials, very active on Instagram, particularly at The 00:35:34.194 --> 00:35:35.434 Ankler is the handle there. 00:35:35.814 --> 00:35:40.414 You can find me on LinkedIn. 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