WEBVTT 00:00:42.484 --> 00:00:49.304 So there I was, routine approach at night, somewhere between 100 feet and 50 00:00:49.304 --> 00:00:52.824 feet before touchdown, I froze. 00:00:53.484 --> 00:00:59.604 Well, I didn't freeze. The simulator froze, and the instructor says to me, you see an issue here? 00:01:00.993 --> 00:01:05.273 Said i don't he says look carefully looked forward i'm 00:01:05.273 --> 00:01:08.813 sorry i'm just not seeing it so he changed the conditions from nighttime to 00:01:08.813 --> 00:01:15.413 daylight and there it was bigger and shit an airplane sitting in position oh 00:01:15.413 --> 00:01:21.333 geez ready for takeoff oh man about that in a second terrifying my blood ran 00:01:21.333 --> 00:01:23.833 cold And it was a simulator. Yeah. 00:01:25.053 --> 00:01:32.793 Well, and, and, you know, to, to add to that, just so there's a little detail, 00:01:33.193 --> 00:01:37.933 the simulator visibility, the simulators are so, you're there. 00:01:38.633 --> 00:01:41.373 Yeah, they really are. I mean, it feels like you're there. The, 00:01:41.373 --> 00:01:44.873 the, the, the visuals are so dynamic now. 00:01:45.073 --> 00:01:48.633 The blood pressure comes up, the heart starts pumping, the palms start sweating. 00:01:48.633 --> 00:01:51.293 Yeah, it's, it's, it's real. 00:01:52.473 --> 00:01:55.413 There's a lot to unpack there, and I can't wait to unpack that. 00:01:56.173 --> 00:02:01.573 Yeah, there really is, which was, I found important this week, 00:02:01.573 --> 00:02:05.753 a good story to relate into it, obviously, because of the LaGuardia crash. 00:02:06.033 --> 00:02:11.313 And, you know, we lost two of our brethren in that crash, and that was so hard to watch. 00:02:12.293 --> 00:02:15.893 And we know very little about it. We know some about it, obviously, 00:02:16.073 --> 00:02:17.333 from what's been out there. 00:02:17.713 --> 00:02:21.473 Of course, the keyboard commandos are out there. They've got it solved. 00:02:21.713 --> 00:02:27.573 Which is always frustrating to watch but a couple of things i've gotten questions about, 00:02:28.433 --> 00:02:32.673 and i'm sure you've gotten questions from friends too you know one is how did 00:02:32.673 --> 00:02:38.033 this happen and obviously layers of protection broke down it wasn't one any 00:02:38.033 --> 00:02:42.353 one thing that failed but a number of things that came together to line that 00:02:42.353 --> 00:02:45.173 swiss cheese up right swiss cheese model right just, 00:02:45.673 --> 00:02:50.693 right and there was a hole all the way through it's it's so rare and that's 00:02:50.693 --> 00:02:55.833 what has to happen because like you said there's so many chinks that it has to go through. 00:02:56.843 --> 00:03:00.763 So many layers. From distractions in the tower cab, you know, 00:03:00.863 --> 00:03:05.243 there was another airplane on the field with an emergency that had some of the 00:03:05.243 --> 00:03:06.323 controller's attention. 00:03:06.663 --> 00:03:10.423 It was night. My understanding is maybe they had just come on shift. 00:03:10.603 --> 00:03:16.823 But again, going back to my story, there are lights everywhere at night. 00:03:17.183 --> 00:03:23.123 And I've got the runway lights lined up at that point, but I'm just not seeing 00:03:23.123 --> 00:03:28.143 the airplane. and it, in fairness, that airplane was not lit up. 00:03:28.243 --> 00:03:34.623 It had its strobe lights on and its navigation lights on, but trying to pick 00:03:34.623 --> 00:03:38.603 out one white taillight in the mix of all the white runway lights, 00:03:39.023 --> 00:03:40.843 center line, all, man, tough to do. 00:03:41.023 --> 00:03:43.283 And I think the same thing is probably true in that tower cab. 00:03:43.403 --> 00:03:46.683 There are lights everywhere and trying to deal with distractions and who's been 00:03:46.683 --> 00:03:48.183 cleared and who hasn't been cleared. 00:03:48.323 --> 00:03:52.083 And at one point he even asked, what frequency are you on? Are you on ground 00:03:52.083 --> 00:03:55.563 or tower? Or who's asking me to cross and which frequency are you on? 00:03:56.303 --> 00:04:00.263 Hey, I got a couple of questions to fire at you under that scenario that you 00:04:00.263 --> 00:04:03.123 described. Was it, so obviously it was nighttime, yes? 00:04:03.683 --> 00:04:07.563 Yep. And was it, you know, was it raining? 00:04:07.863 --> 00:04:12.183 Was everything shiny? Like the, you know what I mean? That adds to the confusion too. 00:04:12.543 --> 00:04:19.743 Yeah. So my recollection, my recollection is we had done an ILS and again, 00:04:19.763 --> 00:04:24.263 this is probably 15 years ago or more, but we had done an ILS and broken out 00:04:24.263 --> 00:04:26.723 probably right at minimums. 00:04:26.983 --> 00:04:32.763 And so we, you know, we had a hundred and 200 feet to look at the runway before 00:04:32.763 --> 00:04:37.343 landing, which isn't much. You're three quarters of a mile. 00:04:37.963 --> 00:04:44.023 Maybe really probably half a mile at a hundred at 140, 145 knots, you know? Yeah. 00:04:44.783 --> 00:04:47.863 Yeah. It's so, so my recollection was. 00:04:48.705 --> 00:04:52.465 I don't know if that it was rainy or not, but it certainly was a short time 00:04:52.465 --> 00:04:57.585 to look and a short time to get there and just did not see it. 00:04:58.065 --> 00:05:02.505 Man, let me tell you, after that, well, let me go back to my days in the DC-10. 00:05:03.165 --> 00:05:07.385 I would, as an engineer, as a flight engineer, I played the old LSO, 00:05:07.545 --> 00:05:09.205 LSS game, and I would put my hand 00:05:09.205 --> 00:05:13.705 on top of my head in the engineer's seat when there was a foul runway. 00:05:13.805 --> 00:05:16.445 If someone was on the runway, either in a vehicle or a... 00:05:20.419 --> 00:05:22.959 Aircraft out in front of us, even though we'd been cleared to land, 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:25.579 I'd put my hand up on top of my head to say, Hey, foul deck. 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:30.259 And I would tell the pilots clear deck as soon as that traffic cleared or, 00:05:30.419 --> 00:05:34.259 or at, you know, below 500 feet, I call foul deck, go around. 00:05:35.579 --> 00:05:38.739 Foul what? What? What deck? What, what are you saying? Go. Oh, 00:05:38.799 --> 00:05:40.879 you air force guys. Yeah. There's someone on the runway go around. 00:05:41.379 --> 00:05:42.559 That's a great technique. 00:05:43.599 --> 00:05:47.339 What? Yeah. I can't do it. technique in the 00:05:47.339 --> 00:05:50.319 in the pilot monitoring seat as you could in the engineer seat 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:53.319 because you didn't have any controls but but even 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:56.219 then all well there's there's spring-loaded to 00:05:56.219 --> 00:05:59.399 look i i have a similar technique when 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:02.519 we're when when we're not cleared to land 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:06.179 i won't turn on the taxi light if 00:06:06.179 --> 00:06:09.059 i'm in the left seat or i won't turn on the you know 00:06:09.059 --> 00:06:11.779 the wheel well lights in the right seat just as a 00:06:11.779 --> 00:06:16.219 trigger and then if there's and you know they don't normally clear you the land 00:06:16.219 --> 00:06:21.959 until right you know there's traffic off the runway so that's like 30 minutes 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:25.219 out you get the announcement in the cabin all the time oh we've been clear to 00:06:25.219 --> 00:06:29.659 land put your seat backs and trade yeah right yeah that that works great yeah 00:06:29.659 --> 00:06:31.659 you're still talking to center no you're not, 00:06:33.139 --> 00:06:38.819 we're not clear to land you bozos yeah that's hey they're not even talking to approach yet Yeah. 00:06:39.999 --> 00:06:43.619 We're on an active taxiway. Well, guess what? They're all active. 00:06:47.219 --> 00:06:48.919 We're on an active. Yeah, come on. 00:06:49.813 --> 00:06:54.633 All right. Well, okay. So back to, uh, back to where I was going with that nighttime 00:06:54.633 --> 00:07:00.833 rain, you know, for our listeners that aren't pilots, but obviously drive cars 00:07:00.833 --> 00:07:03.393 and, you know, everything's different at night. 00:07:03.673 --> 00:07:08.613 Number one, everything looks different at night and then add in a shiny road 00:07:08.613 --> 00:07:11.153 from rain, you know, when the streets are wet and shiny, 00:07:11.553 --> 00:07:14.813 reflecting off the road, right yes yeah shit 00:07:14.813 --> 00:07:17.853 even looks more different so so factor that 00:07:17.853 --> 00:07:20.653 flying into a place that maybe you've never 00:07:20.653 --> 00:07:25.653 been or only been in the daytime or maybe haven't landed on their same on this 00:07:25.653 --> 00:07:30.213 particular runway before yeah and then that's a varsity airport no two ways 00:07:30.213 --> 00:07:34.873 about it it just is oh shit yeah and let's say we let's let's unpack that a 00:07:34.873 --> 00:07:39.533 little bit we won't finish this but but But then you factor in, you're not going to see, 00:07:39.713 --> 00:07:44.473 especially on a low-vis, low-ceiling approach, you're going to break out. 00:07:44.873 --> 00:07:50.373 And if you're hand flying, so you break out, you know, at, I don't know, 00:07:50.513 --> 00:07:58.173 100 feet and maybe have 15 or 20 seconds to go, yep, I'm lined up. This looks good. 00:07:58.693 --> 00:08:01.133 And we're going to be in the touchdown zone. We're going to make a safe landing. 00:08:01.393 --> 00:08:04.753 Yeah, we're going to do it. Or, yeah, no, this isn't good. We need to go around. 00:08:04.993 --> 00:08:09.053 Not a lot of time. Maybe even less than that. Maybe 10 seconds, right? 00:08:09.953 --> 00:08:13.433 And so then you get all the cultural lighting all of a sudden, 00:08:13.533 --> 00:08:14.633 because you didn't see it before. 00:08:14.993 --> 00:08:19.193 Shiny pavement, and it's easy to miss. 00:08:19.953 --> 00:08:24.293 A couple lights sitting on the runway. Holy shit. Totally. 00:08:24.893 --> 00:08:31.953 And my recollection on this was, is there, truck one was on ground frequency, right? Not tower? 00:08:32.353 --> 00:08:37.993 Or do you know? I don't know. So now. Now, the only reason I'm asking that is 00:08:37.993 --> 00:08:42.453 I think it matters because Jazz didn't have an opportunity to hear them request. 00:08:42.633 --> 00:08:43.993 Now, they certainly would have heard tower. 00:08:44.293 --> 00:08:48.193 If it was one controller working ground and tower, they certainly would have 00:08:48.193 --> 00:08:49.513 heard the clearance to cross. 00:08:51.118 --> 00:08:55.518 We don't even know that that was the case. No, but as a standard, 00:08:56.158 --> 00:09:00.278 normally ground control doesn't clear anybody to cross a runway. 00:09:00.718 --> 00:09:03.418 That's true. It has to be a tower frequency. Tower controller clears. 00:09:03.578 --> 00:09:07.218 And ground may clear you across, but only after talking to tower. 00:09:07.398 --> 00:09:09.998 A local controller is what it's called. Local. Yeah. 00:09:10.638 --> 00:09:12.638 So I don't know the details. 00:09:13.858 --> 00:09:18.518 I've seen the YouTube and I've listened to a couple different ATC tapes. 00:09:18.698 --> 00:09:20.118 There's different voices. 00:09:21.118 --> 00:09:25.118 And, you know, first of all, it's just horrific to watch because, 00:09:25.438 --> 00:09:29.178 well, it's horrific. You know what happens, and you see it happening, 00:09:29.178 --> 00:09:32.378 and it's like, oh, God, that's horrible. 00:09:33.098 --> 00:09:38.978 And, you know, those guys, by the time they did see that truck out in front 00:09:38.978 --> 00:09:42.698 of them, there was literally nothing they could do. 00:09:43.538 --> 00:09:47.698 Dead men riding. Yeah. They were dead men riding at that point. 00:09:47.818 --> 00:09:51.798 Yeah. And I mean, there was someone asked about changing control of the aircraft 00:09:51.798 --> 00:09:53.418 two seconds after touchdown. 00:09:53.638 --> 00:09:56.878 I get it. The captain saw it and said, I've got it. And, you know, 00:09:56.918 --> 00:09:58.218 it was already standing on the brakes. 00:09:58.398 --> 00:10:03.138 And I'm willing to bet a month's salary that the first officer didn't let off the brakes either. 00:10:03.738 --> 00:10:07.358 No, no. They were both breaking for their lives. 00:10:07.658 --> 00:10:12.538 And so all modern aircraft have anti-skid brakes, anti-lock brakes, 00:10:12.758 --> 00:10:13.558 whatever you want to call them. 00:10:13.558 --> 00:10:16.278 And so you know they're i'm sure 00:10:16.278 --> 00:10:19.198 they were both you know standing on the brakes which 00:10:19.198 --> 00:10:21.918 the brakes were doing the best they could but remember it was 00:10:21.918 --> 00:10:24.778 wet and you know 00:10:24.778 --> 00:10:30.938 you lose a little braking effectiveness on a wet runway yeah and taxiway d delta 00:10:30.938 --> 00:10:35.398 is about looks to me about a third of the way down the runway so you don't have 00:10:35.398 --> 00:10:38.578 my ipad it would have been i could pull that up really yeah they would have 00:10:38.578 --> 00:10:43.518 still been really moving along no matter what i mean well here eight seconds after touchdown. 00:10:45.375 --> 00:10:48.515 Yeah is is impact let's assume they touch down 00:10:48.515 --> 00:10:51.275 130 really slow let's say 00:10:51.275 --> 00:10:55.555 110 knots eight seconds later yeah they're 00:10:55.555 --> 00:10:58.855 still they're probably still doing set 60 70 knots 60 00:10:58.855 --> 00:11:01.615 70 knots yeah times 1.15 would give 00:11:01.615 --> 00:11:04.475 you miles per hour you know so 80 00:11:04.475 --> 00:11:08.115 miles an hour yeah it was one 00:11:08.115 --> 00:11:10.775 of the podcasters that does the you know 00:11:10.775 --> 00:11:13.535 he's captain jim or whatever whatever you know it's 00:11:13.535 --> 00:11:18.415 somebody like that i saw a clip and and he said well somebody said they were 00:11:18.415 --> 00:11:25.215 doing about 25 or 30 30 knots and i'm i saw the video i'm like bullshit they're 00:11:25.215 --> 00:11:29.315 going a lot faster than that because when something big is when something you 00:11:29.315 --> 00:11:32.675 know when something big looks like it's going fast it's it's going fast. 00:11:34.230 --> 00:11:38.730 Yeah, it is. So it was. Yeah, it is. And it was nice. 00:11:38.770 --> 00:11:41.330 And then a couple other things that come to mind on that are, 00:11:41.470 --> 00:11:43.870 you know, the runway, what do they call it? 00:11:43.930 --> 00:11:47.170 The runway alerting, hang on, let me hit there. 00:11:47.250 --> 00:11:51.510 Yeah, runway alert, RAS, runway alert and advisory system. Well, 00:11:51.590 --> 00:11:52.770 there's runway status lights. 00:11:52.890 --> 00:11:56.290 Yeah. So there's the ASD, which is the airport surface detection system, 00:11:56.290 --> 00:12:00.310 which relies on a transponder in the truck, which truck one did not have, it says. 00:12:00.910 --> 00:12:05.150 Yeah. So that wasn't helpful. But there's also runway status lights, 00:12:05.210 --> 00:12:07.910 which turn red and green, which in theory, 00:12:08.390 --> 00:12:12.770 even if truck one was clear to cross, if runway status lights were working, 00:12:12.990 --> 00:12:18.030 those lights should have been red, in which case truck one should have said, 00:12:18.150 --> 00:12:21.250 I got red lights in front of me. Are you sure I'm clear to cross? 00:12:22.450 --> 00:12:26.330 But, you know, we don't know. That's how it should have worked, 00:12:26.350 --> 00:12:29.890 assuming those lights were there. I'm not, I don't know if those lights were 00:12:29.890 --> 00:12:32.850 there or not, but that's, that's the modern system. 00:12:33.150 --> 00:12:36.090 And it's actually pretty amazing. The first time I ever saw him working, 00:12:36.110 --> 00:12:38.450 I'm like, well, this is cool. 00:12:38.770 --> 00:12:41.710 Like the first time I ever noticed him was at Logan. We were going to take off 00:12:41.710 --> 00:12:46.050 on like runway nine and had an airplane landing on four and we were cleared 00:12:46.050 --> 00:12:48.770 in the position and hold and line up. 00:12:49.010 --> 00:12:51.070 And there's a bunch of red lights in front of us. 00:12:51.370 --> 00:12:55.330 Yeah. We weren't going anywhere anyway, but it wasn't until the aircraft crossed 00:12:55.330 --> 00:12:57.510 in front of us on runway four landing. 00:12:58.050 --> 00:13:00.890 That our red lights went out, and then we got our clearance to go. 00:13:01.090 --> 00:13:04.570 It's like, oh, that's slick. Yeah, I like those lights. 00:13:05.830 --> 00:13:10.990 Hey, Scott's asking if we know what the ATC staffing was at, 00:13:11.050 --> 00:13:16.790 and I think they were – I don't know that they – Have they released that? Did you see that? 00:13:17.610 --> 00:13:19.090 I haven't seen that. 00:13:20.450 --> 00:13:23.250 I don't know. I mean, you have to –. 00:13:25.345 --> 00:13:33.465 We can't make any assumptions, but we all know that ATC staffing is tough right now. 00:13:33.745 --> 00:13:37.365 Nationwide. We've had, we've had air traffic controllers on and they talk about 00:13:37.365 --> 00:13:39.425 it. It's, it's in rough shape. 00:13:39.645 --> 00:13:43.205 They are thousands of controllers, hundreds of controllers short, I think they said. 00:13:43.445 --> 00:13:46.965 And, you know, just get hired and start controlling airplanes next week. 00:13:48.265 --> 00:13:53.285 So, especially not at LaGuardia, at Kennedy, at DC, you know. 00:13:53.465 --> 00:13:56.265 No, those are varsity. those are varsity airports it's in 00:13:56.265 --> 00:13:59.605 a high high living area 00:13:59.605 --> 00:14:02.865 so it's not popular place for people to move if they're 00:14:02.865 --> 00:14:06.145 moving from you know a low cost living area it's 00:14:06.145 --> 00:14:14.425 it's it's tough it's a tough market for them absolutely absolutely so i uh get 00:14:14.425 --> 00:14:19.105 dizzy and scotty scotty's a professional pilot so yeah he he said he he heard 00:14:19.105 --> 00:14:23.485 from oh disney said he heard from two in the cab so yeah and work in multiple frequencies. 00:14:23.545 --> 00:14:26.645 That was my question about that. Was he on ground? Was he on tower? Right. 00:14:27.165 --> 00:14:30.465 They should have heard the truck clear to cross, but they would have not heard 00:14:30.465 --> 00:14:32.105 the request to cross jazz. 00:14:32.505 --> 00:14:36.485 I'm talking about the airplane pilots and jazz could have heard a clearance 00:14:36.485 --> 00:14:42.125 to cross the only way in front of them, but man, you would think on short final, 00:14:42.125 --> 00:14:44.505 you hear somebody, Hey, you're clear to cross. We're like, Whoa, 00:14:44.585 --> 00:14:46.205 Whoa, Hey, we're, we're landed. 00:14:46.805 --> 00:14:49.765 Yeah. Whoa. Everybody slow down. Yeah. 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:54.020 And uh yeah i have 00:14:54.020 --> 00:14:56.960 a so there i was story you triggered it 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:00.300 actually you triggered it when you told yours 00:15:00.300 --> 00:15:03.400 in the opening and i wrote it down real quick so i wouldn't forget it i'll 00:15:03.400 --> 00:15:06.300 tell it if you want yeah man it's it's along 00:15:06.300 --> 00:15:10.220 the same lines as this it happened in afghanistan and 00:15:10.220 --> 00:15:13.600 the night before the incident happened i 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:17.020 landed at this little airfield that 00:15:17.020 --> 00:15:20.380 of course we're flying at night we're on uh night vision 00:15:20.380 --> 00:15:23.220 goggles mvgs and it was 00:15:23.220 --> 00:15:27.660 a very bright night big moon light illumination we're 00:15:27.660 --> 00:15:30.500 flying in there it's uncontrolled we're flying in 00:15:30.500 --> 00:15:33.820 there i could see the runway i could see everything perfectly they they 00:15:33.820 --> 00:15:36.920 didn't have the ir lights on and infrared lights when 00:15:36.920 --> 00:15:39.920 you're looking through goggles look like normal lights a little light it would 00:15:39.920 --> 00:15:43.300 be lit like the battle story glass but it wasn't and so. 00:15:43.300 --> 00:15:46.380 You know co-pilot called the called the 00:15:46.380 --> 00:15:49.400 the guy that's not the tower but you know the the 00:15:49.400 --> 00:15:52.140 airfield you know unicom guy and said hey 00:15:52.140 --> 00:15:55.480 can you turn the lights on and and the guy says yeah 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:58.280 it's gonna take a while i gotta get a kid on 00:15:58.280 --> 00:16:01.220 a four-wheeler he's gotta go fill up the generator and 00:16:01.220 --> 00:16:04.040 we're like you know i tell him fuck it we're 00:16:04.040 --> 00:16:07.700 good we're gonna land right so we land it's so 00:16:07.700 --> 00:16:10.940 so this fob uh forward operating base was 00:16:10.940 --> 00:16:13.680 had a long runway it was like 7 000 feet 00:16:13.680 --> 00:16:16.360 which was long for afghanistan and it was 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:19.660 paved was one of the new it was one of the new ones okay yeah 00:16:19.660 --> 00:16:23.220 and across the field from the fob like 00:16:23.220 --> 00:16:26.520 so the runway it's a north south oriented on the east side on 00:16:26.520 --> 00:16:32.440 the other side of the fob they had a little 1500 foot gravel dirt strip that 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:35.900 and that's where all the helicopters were sitting on a ramp just to the side 00:16:35.900 --> 00:16:40.120 of that 1500 foot strip and it was a it was an army fob they were out you know 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:46.480 operating out there so i had to tell you that because the very next night we had a crew. 00:16:47.842 --> 00:16:54.502 A c-130 crew go in there same scenario but it wasn't very it wasn't a big illumination night, 00:16:55.042 --> 00:16:57.942 so okay and so they could see it 00:16:57.942 --> 00:17:00.582 but they asked for the runway lights and the 00:17:00.582 --> 00:17:03.322 guy says yeah it's going to be a minute the guy's got to get on the 00:17:03.322 --> 00:17:07.282 four-wheeler and the gas and you know yeah 00:17:07.282 --> 00:17:10.242 and so and so they go okay you know 00:17:10.242 --> 00:17:13.522 fire it up and what they think they 00:17:13.522 --> 00:17:16.662 see is the lights of the 00:17:16.662 --> 00:17:19.902 runway but what they are actually seeing is 00:17:19.902 --> 00:17:23.002 the the lights of the fob and the 00:17:23.002 --> 00:17:26.402 lights on the 1500 foot runway okay 00:17:26.402 --> 00:17:34.202 so they line up to land on the 1500 foot runway and what they don't do it yeah 00:17:34.202 --> 00:17:43.022 what they don't know is there were three ch-47s full of paratroopers turning. 00:17:44.262 --> 00:17:47.102 Uh right at the edge of the runway and a couple 00:17:47.102 --> 00:17:49.982 of uh uh 60s also full 00:17:49.982 --> 00:17:53.402 they were getting ready to conduct a night raid these guys 00:17:53.402 --> 00:17:59.542 touched down on that 1500 foot strip the wing of the c-130 went over the top 00:17:59.542 --> 00:18:05.342 of all the rotors sitting on the side of the runway they as soon as they touched 00:18:05.342 --> 00:18:09.262 down the pilots realized oh fuck this is not the right runway and they went 00:18:09.262 --> 00:18:11.962 they went around In the process of going around, 00:18:12.102 --> 00:18:14.302 they barely got airborne and ripped. 00:18:14.542 --> 00:18:16.642 There was a big six-foot... 00:18:17.811 --> 00:18:21.471 You know, fence at the other end, kind of a, the fob perimeter. 00:18:21.831 --> 00:18:25.671 And one of the, one of the posts ripped through the bottom of the C-130 and 00:18:25.671 --> 00:18:29.911 actually ripped through a pressure bulkhead in the belly towards the aft. 00:18:30.711 --> 00:18:33.971 Oh, and they, and they made it back. They made it back to Bagram. 00:18:34.191 --> 00:18:35.791 And then we all got to look at it the next day. 00:18:36.091 --> 00:18:42.511 And then I flew the accident investigation team the following day out there to this fob. 00:18:42.891 --> 00:18:46.951 And so that's how I, I kind of knew a lot of the details about it. 00:18:46.951 --> 00:18:53.291 But what happened is they rolled in, they are seeing what they want to see, right? 00:18:53.551 --> 00:18:59.631 They got it all figured out. But really, the navigator had built an approach 00:18:59.631 --> 00:19:03.071 to the big runway, and it was showing everything off to the right. 00:19:03.211 --> 00:19:06.311 And the navigator's trying to say, hey, boys, you're not lined up on the runway. 00:19:06.371 --> 00:19:09.091 And they're like, shut up. Shut the fuck up. We got it. We see it right here. 00:19:09.431 --> 00:19:10.731 You're done, Nav. Shut up. 00:19:12.191 --> 00:19:18.391 And yeah anyway it would have had they had they hit those helicopters which 00:19:18.391 --> 00:19:23.591 they were so close it would have been the largest loss of life in one event 00:19:23.591 --> 00:19:26.471 in the whole war because it was, 00:19:27.611 --> 00:19:33.831 347s full of army guys a couple uh 60s and this in the c-130 had 60 paratroopers in the back, 00:19:34.651 --> 00:19:39.511 it would have been massive it would have been mass casualty event oh that's 00:19:39.511 --> 00:19:46.191 horrific just to think about holy shiza but it was at night and you know cultural 00:19:46.191 --> 00:19:50.551 lighting they thought they saw what they wanted to see they you know they were 00:19:50.551 --> 00:19:54.071 convinced they had convinced themselves you know of what they were seeing, 00:19:55.369 --> 00:19:59.209 Yep. And then there you go. Yeah. So there you go. 00:19:59.869 --> 00:20:03.569 And then in the comments, we've got a bunch of folks in here today, which is outstanding. 00:20:03.849 --> 00:20:07.769 Weiser jumps in. He says he instructs at a UK airport recently after he was 00:20:07.769 --> 00:20:11.249 cleared for a touch and go with a student, a trainee controller cleared another 00:20:11.249 --> 00:20:13.809 light aircraft to line up on the runway in front of him. 00:20:14.149 --> 00:20:17.429 So he started to go around, called it on the radio and the supervising controller 00:20:17.429 --> 00:20:21.329 sorted it out as I completed the go around. I doubt the trainee will do that again. 00:20:21.649 --> 00:20:25.969 Yeah. Fortunately, that's, that's a hard lesson to learn, but I bet you're right. 00:20:26.089 --> 00:20:28.329 I bet it was learned completely and fully. 00:20:31.509 --> 00:20:35.049 And you can always tell when there's the supervising controller steps in. 00:20:35.289 --> 00:20:40.109 Real quick, so there I was for me, and this one wasn't dangerous, but it was funny. 00:20:40.229 --> 00:20:47.469 We were taking off from Los Angeles one morning, and we were going to take off on runway 25 right. 00:20:48.589 --> 00:20:51.849 So this is still in the days of Jepson paper charts. 00:20:53.349 --> 00:20:57.189 You said morning. You're saying morning. Are we talking wee hours when it's dark? 00:20:57.529 --> 00:21:01.489 No, daytime, like 7 a.m. local, something like that. Yeah, so it's bright daylight. 00:21:03.169 --> 00:21:06.989 But get out there, and we get cleared in position hole 2-5 right at Foxtrot. 00:21:07.169 --> 00:21:11.789 Okay, we line up, sitting there, and our clearance is there. 00:21:11.789 --> 00:21:15.509 We've got our squawk, and we're going to take off on, like, the Loop 9. 00:21:17.229 --> 00:21:21.509 I think it was what it was. And we've got the chart right there in front of me. 00:21:21.849 --> 00:21:28.069 And tower controller comes up and says, DC-10, clear for takeoff, 00:21:28.289 --> 00:21:34.729 Windsor this, clear for takeoff runway 25R, change from the Loop 9 to the LAC 7 departure. 00:21:36.554 --> 00:21:40.394 I'm like, oh, okay. Well, we haven't got that in the computer. 00:21:40.814 --> 00:21:44.074 And I'm just sitting there. And, of course, there's this huge question mark 00:21:44.074 --> 00:21:46.574 over our jet. Oh, yeah. Down there on the end of the runway. 00:21:48.074 --> 00:21:51.154 And another voice comes on about three seconds later and goes. 00:21:52.154 --> 00:21:53.934 Take your time there, DC-10. 00:21:54.274 --> 00:21:58.114 The LAX-7 is actually on the back of the Loop 9 departure. 00:21:58.114 --> 00:22:01.634 If you just want to flip that page over, it'll be there. and 00:22:01.634 --> 00:22:04.494 your only difference is you know you're going to turn it at three 00:22:04.494 --> 00:22:07.354 miles instead of five miles down to the next you're 00:22:07.354 --> 00:22:10.794 like oh okay good to go so but 00:22:10.794 --> 00:22:13.594 yeah you can't just change so clearly it was 00:22:13.594 --> 00:22:16.594 a controller who was under training who was like uh yeah 00:22:16.594 --> 00:22:19.394 you can't do that to pilots when they're on 00:22:19.394 --> 00:22:23.714 the runway so oh 00:22:23.714 --> 00:22:26.614 well that's a small detail it's a 00:22:26.614 --> 00:22:29.534 small thing right yeah i was like i have no idea 00:22:29.534 --> 00:22:32.174 what this you know where this isn't it was funny that the 00:22:32.174 --> 00:22:34.974 controller knew no it's right on the back page of that one you're looking at 00:22:34.974 --> 00:22:39.354 so like all right and he was right it was flip the page over there it is oh 00:22:39.354 --> 00:22:45.854 we can do that go so but yeah that's a massive and fortunately it was dc10 where 00:22:45.854 --> 00:22:51.454 we had two clocks and a vor no no ians computers or any of that stuff to right 00:22:51.454 --> 00:22:53.354 program It was real flying. 00:22:54.174 --> 00:22:58.034 Yeah. That's an emergency. Stick and rudder, baby. Stick and rudder. 00:22:58.614 --> 00:23:02.954 So anyway. Oh, that's terrifying that that 130 almost hit those guys. 00:23:03.774 --> 00:23:09.934 Yeah. Yeah. Did anyone ever sort out that maybe they ought to have the IR lights available? 00:23:10.294 --> 00:23:18.254 Yeah. Well, you know, in a very small paragraph at the bottom of one of the many Air Force. 00:23:19.855 --> 00:23:22.715 You know publications that you're required to know every word of 00:23:22.715 --> 00:23:25.995 it it does say thou shalt not land at 00:23:25.995 --> 00:23:29.115 night on nvgs without ir lights 00:23:29.115 --> 00:23:32.035 oh okay so it's 00:23:32.035 --> 00:23:35.535 on the pilots right out that you know they violated well the 00:23:35.535 --> 00:23:38.195 thing is they thought they saw it that that was 00:23:38.195 --> 00:23:40.915 the thing they they thought the lights got turned on and 00:23:40.915 --> 00:23:44.035 they were like yep there it is the navigator had 00:23:44.035 --> 00:23:47.015 built a self-contained approach to 00:23:47.015 --> 00:23:49.775 the real runway and he was going hey no hey you guys are 00:23:49.775 --> 00:23:53.095 lined up on something i don't know what you guys are looking at and they shut them down so 00:23:53.095 --> 00:23:56.215 there was this lot of cr there was a crm cockpit resource 00:23:56.215 --> 00:23:59.195 management difficulty going on there and then 00:23:59.195 --> 00:24:02.295 they had convinced themselves what they were seeing was what they wanted to 00:24:02.295 --> 00:24:06.115 see and and they weren't listening to anybody anymore because they got what 00:24:06.115 --> 00:24:10.055 they want and next thing you know bob's your uncle you about take out up 200 00:24:10.055 --> 00:24:16.395 dudes and you know you run your airplane and run your run your day life and oh yeah But, hey, 00:24:17.655 --> 00:24:20.695 everything came out okay. By the way, the airplane didn't fly again eventually. 00:24:21.275 --> 00:24:26.215 You mentioned CRM. What does that stand for? Well, cockpit resource management. 00:24:26.755 --> 00:24:33.615 It's the mental part of how you communicate with your crew. 00:24:33.735 --> 00:24:39.555 So everybody has a shared mental model of what's going on, what you intend to 00:24:39.555 --> 00:24:44.095 do, what your plan is, right? So there's no surprise. 00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:56.040 And 80% of all accidents and incidents can be tied back to a lack or a mistake-making in CRM. 00:24:57.320 --> 00:25:05.040 Yeah, it's sad but true. And in fact, I recall the one fatal 747 crash for Flying 00:25:05.040 --> 00:25:08.240 Tigers back in the early 90s. 00:25:08.600 --> 00:25:14.640 There was a language barrier, and it was like cleared level. 00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:18.840 And of course, over here, flight levels are 180 and above, 18,000 feet and above. 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:24.240 And various countries you go to, flight levels can be, you know, as low as 2,000 feet. 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:33.300 And I think they said clear, it doesn't matter specifically what they said, 00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:40.420 but it was something like, you know, cleared to 240 or, you know, 2,400. 00:25:41.600 --> 00:25:42.340 And yeah. 00:25:43.315 --> 00:25:46.655 They read it back as cleared to four zero, 400. 00:25:47.615 --> 00:25:51.815 And the flight engineer actually said, I'm uncomfortable with this. 00:25:52.075 --> 00:25:58.195 I think we're too low. To which the captain replied, no, I think we're good 00:25:58.195 --> 00:26:00.715 here. If you get uncomfortable, just say something and we'll go around. 00:26:01.735 --> 00:26:05.775 He already did, right? Just did. He just did. 00:26:06.115 --> 00:26:09.835 Yeah. And sadly, a few minutes later, they were dead. 00:26:10.135 --> 00:26:16.395 They hit the side of a hill. So, so CRM is, is, you know, we're learning to 00:26:16.395 --> 00:26:18.575 actually listen to the other guys on the flight deck. 00:26:18.715 --> 00:26:21.235 They might have a picture, better picture than we do. 00:26:21.715 --> 00:26:25.095 Right. Even though, you know, the captain is the one in charge and the ultimate 00:26:25.095 --> 00:26:26.675 authority and responsibility. 00:26:28.055 --> 00:26:32.335 I learned early on to, you know, let those guys speak up and, 00:26:32.395 --> 00:26:34.575 and listen to what they had to say. 00:26:35.435 --> 00:26:37.275 Wasn't their first day on the job likely. 00:26:38.375 --> 00:26:44.235 Right. Tenerife. Tenerife, the two 747s that collided. 00:26:44.395 --> 00:26:48.255 That's the biggest mass casualty event in airline history. 00:26:49.255 --> 00:26:54.915 It was all CRM related. I don't think we were cleared. No, we were good. 00:26:55.215 --> 00:26:57.515 Up come the throttles. We are good to go. 00:26:59.995 --> 00:27:04.995 Serious case of get-home-itis. They were all worried about timing out and hotel rooms and all that. 00:27:06.335 --> 00:27:11.355 Yeah, it was horrific. Oh, man. And yeah, and then Cali-Columbia in the 90s. 00:27:11.375 --> 00:27:13.255 That was a mode confusion, language barrier. 00:27:14.095 --> 00:27:18.935 You're right, Scotty. Lack of CRM, the whole thing. And, you know, 00:27:19.015 --> 00:27:23.595 had they gotten the speed, the go around or, you know, the climb, get the speed brakes in. 00:27:24.135 --> 00:27:27.475 And there was some guesstimates that they might have made it had they gotten 00:27:27.475 --> 00:27:30.335 the speed brakes in. They were starting to climb out with the boards out. 00:27:30.555 --> 00:27:32.895 So, yeah. 00:27:33.335 --> 00:27:36.395 Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's rough. 00:27:37.315 --> 00:27:43.835 That's another one that's totally, yeah. That became part of our... 00:27:45.557 --> 00:27:51.337 Go around and winch your escape maneuver and all that to check the speed brakes right after that. 00:27:51.737 --> 00:27:54.577 Max rust, those speed brakes, max rust, those speed brakes. 00:27:55.017 --> 00:27:57.297 That's, that's a, we, I think we all have. 00:27:58.777 --> 00:28:02.877 Yeah. Configure written in blood. You know, we often say those, 00:28:02.937 --> 00:28:07.797 those are manuals are all written in, in blood and that's, that's one of them there. 00:28:08.297 --> 00:28:12.177 So rough. That's what, man. Happy topics today. 00:28:12.417 --> 00:28:16.417 Fig. Well, let's lighten it up a little bit. What do you say? What do you say? 00:28:18.137 --> 00:28:22.677 Right? What? Well, I got a happy topic. I was down in Houston last week for 00:28:22.677 --> 00:28:27.817 the, went to see the rodeo and got to see Lainey Wilson in concert. That was a fun show. 00:28:28.997 --> 00:28:35.057 She actually rode off, at the end of the show, rode off the stage on her own horse. Hey! 00:28:35.897 --> 00:28:38.977 Don't see performers ride away on their own horse very often, 00:28:38.977 --> 00:28:41.617 but when you're performing at the rodeo, I guess you'd get to do that. 00:28:42.197 --> 00:28:44.877 What does that have to do with aviation? Well... 00:28:46.520 --> 00:28:52.480 Two days later, I was at the airport. You got some airport appreciation time, didn't you? 00:28:53.020 --> 00:28:57.340 Yes, I did. And having been a known crew member for years and years, 00:28:57.600 --> 00:29:03.660 and wisely, they let you bypass security with known crew member because, 00:29:03.660 --> 00:29:06.920 you know, occasionally you get randomized and you have to go through security anyway. 00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:11.640 But why waste time, energy, and all that looking at the pilots who could take 00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:15.960 the airplane down in their underwear to see if they have extra long blades on 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.340 their nail clippers or, you know, what have you. 00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:27.180 But I digress. I got to spend four hours, 15 minutes in a line waiting to get to TSA security. 00:29:27.380 --> 00:29:29.580 I wound up missing two flights. 00:29:29.860 --> 00:29:31.660 Oh, my God. Yeah. 00:29:32.060 --> 00:29:36.620 My wife is a travel agent and very good at quickly rebooking so that when I 00:29:36.620 --> 00:29:39.880 got up there, I didn't have an expired, you know, oh, your flight left 20 minutes 00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:41.340 ago. No, no security for you. 00:29:42.040 --> 00:29:46.680 Um, so she had me with a current boarding pass slash seat request, 00:29:46.740 --> 00:29:49.180 but man, let me tell you with my, my current medical condition, 00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:56.320 standing in line for four hours plus was undoable at best and miserable. 00:29:56.320 --> 00:29:59.440 Just so i don't know if you've had any passengers have 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:02.220 you dealt with any passengers that have come through any of that yet or 00:30:02.220 --> 00:30:05.280 so i i have been blessed enough not 00:30:05.280 --> 00:30:08.280 to have had to operate a flight 00:30:08.280 --> 00:30:11.120 since february so 00:30:11.120 --> 00:30:13.700 it's april or i'm sorry march odd month you know 00:30:13.700 --> 00:30:16.580 i give check rides and sim yeah i haven't had 00:30:16.580 --> 00:30:19.720 any issues but so this month uh well 00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:22.460 this month coming up is a flying month for me so i'll i'll let 00:30:22.460 --> 00:30:26.380 you know how it goes hopefully we're going to square this shit away here soon 00:30:26.380 --> 00:30:30.940 because this is yeah this is getting untenable and i don't know how i'm surprised 00:30:30.940 --> 00:30:34.580 there haven't been more incidents with short tempers and everything else everyone 00:30:34.580 --> 00:30:39.900 was really good about it in line and you know it was miserable that that sucks. 00:30:40.921 --> 00:30:45.601 Oh, yeah, it was horrible. Lady in front of me had, little boy appeared to be 00:30:45.601 --> 00:30:46.961 about four or five years old. 00:30:47.261 --> 00:30:51.821 And it snaked back and forth, back and forth, back and forth so much. 00:30:51.821 --> 00:30:54.421 I'm like, and I tried to tell her, go sit down over there. 00:30:54.841 --> 00:30:57.621 You know, and when the line gets over there, I'll pull you back in line. 00:30:57.721 --> 00:30:59.941 You guys can have a few minutes off your feet. 00:31:00.841 --> 00:31:05.201 But her English wasn't good enough and my Spanish wasn't good enough to properly communicate that. 00:31:05.361 --> 00:31:09.221 So she'd let him sit down. He'd get four or five minutes of sitting down at 00:31:09.221 --> 00:31:12.181 the end of a loop and such. but it was horrible. 00:31:12.381 --> 00:31:14.701 And there were a lot of elderly people there and a lot of people, 00:31:14.941 --> 00:31:16.321 I don't know how they did it. 00:31:16.981 --> 00:31:20.221 Some people in that line, I have no idea how they managed to do it that long. 00:31:20.381 --> 00:31:24.801 Yeah. That's rough. Yeah. Go take a bathroom break, go to the end of the line. 00:31:26.801 --> 00:31:30.481 Yeah. Unless you got somebody kind enough to go, Hey, you can get back in. 00:31:30.741 --> 00:31:36.721 So Scotty, Scotty's saying SWA is going to hire a thousand pilots this year 00:31:36.721 --> 00:31:41.901 and upgrade 700. So if any of our listeners out there are waffling on whether 00:31:41.901 --> 00:31:45.001 or not to apply, he says, get your applications in. 00:31:45.801 --> 00:31:48.121 Great. I can do that. 00:31:49.881 --> 00:31:52.921 No, I'm a geezer. I'm afraid my time's done. 00:31:53.201 --> 00:31:58.021 But yeah, that's fantastic news. 00:31:58.601 --> 00:32:05.221 And in fact, the young gent, I'm not going to say his name at this point because 00:32:05.221 --> 00:32:06.501 I haven't got permission to. 00:32:06.501 --> 00:32:12.441 And I can't remember a call sign for him, but he'll helped my daughter get hired 00:32:12.441 --> 00:32:15.641 by the Air National Guard going through interviews and all that stuff. 00:32:15.841 --> 00:32:17.541 He just got picked up by American. 00:32:17.881 --> 00:32:21.241 So airlines are actually hiring. That's a, it's a beautiful thing. 00:32:22.061 --> 00:32:24.721 Yeah. We need to get our air traffic controllers trained up, 00:32:24.901 --> 00:32:28.461 right? That's part of the, that's part of the system as well. Yeah. 00:32:29.081 --> 00:32:32.641 Let's get that fixed. That's, that's terrifying that that was, 00:32:32.901 --> 00:32:35.581 you know, that that's getting there. 00:32:36.561 --> 00:32:39.621 Oh, hey, you know what? I'll give you a second to think of a story. 00:32:40.001 --> 00:32:42.321 Well, I want to take a minute to... 00:32:44.756 --> 00:32:49.996 To thank Derek, I think. I think I do. DC? 00:32:50.716 --> 00:32:52.876 DCartworks.com? DCartworks, yeah. 00:32:53.916 --> 00:32:58.236 So, there I was, not planning to buy anything, just taking a look. 00:32:58.436 --> 00:33:03.316 Yeah, that lasted about 60 seconds on DCartworks.net because here's what happens. 00:33:03.556 --> 00:33:07.716 You go there thinking you'll casually browse, and then your brain immediately 00:33:07.716 --> 00:33:13.196 starts designing something. What if I did my call sign or squadron logo or something 00:33:13.196 --> 00:33:17.536 for the hangar or the fighter bar downstairs and now you're in it? 00:33:17.876 --> 00:33:22.096 Well, that's exactly what Derek is built for. DC Artworks is American-made, 00:33:22.236 --> 00:33:26.896 veteran-owned, and Derek specializes in turning your half-formed idea into something 00:33:26.896 --> 00:33:28.496 you didn't even realize was possible. 00:33:29.096 --> 00:33:32.996 This isn't picking from a catalog. This is, hey, Derek, here's what I'm thinking 00:33:32.996 --> 00:33:34.916 and then watching it come to life. 00:33:35.576 --> 00:33:39.156 Everything starts with CNC cut hardened steel, so it's precise, 00:33:39.396 --> 00:33:44.296 clean, and strong, and then it's hand-finished, which is why every single piece 00:33:44.296 --> 00:33:45.776 has its own personality. 00:33:45.976 --> 00:33:47.976 No flimsy metal, no cheap feel. 00:33:48.176 --> 00:33:52.796 These are pieces you hang once and then never replace them. 00:33:53.176 --> 00:33:56.916 And here's the kicker. 95% of what he builds is custom. 00:33:57.076 --> 00:34:03.136 That means the real product is your idea. The design library on dcartworks.net 00:34:03.136 --> 00:34:08.156 is constantly updated and yeah, you'll see stuff that looks awesome, but the real move? 00:34:08.556 --> 00:34:12.016 Don't just browse. Reach out. Start the conversation. 00:34:12.416 --> 00:34:16.476 That's where this gets fun. I've got a set of naval aviator wings about two 00:34:16.476 --> 00:34:19.856 feet across and they are ridiculous in the best way. 00:34:20.096 --> 00:34:22.556 People stop mid-conversation when they see them. 00:34:22.916 --> 00:34:27.056 That's what happens when something is actually built and not mass-produced. 00:34:28.030 --> 00:34:32.270 He also does powder coating and multi-material engraving, so you can get color, 00:34:32.450 --> 00:34:36.890 contrast, and depth that turns a simple idea into something people notice immediately. 00:34:37.230 --> 00:34:41.670 He's a military GPC vendor, offers bulk and repeat discounts, 00:34:41.750 --> 00:34:44.990 and is one of the lowest-priced guys doing this work at this level. 00:34:45.150 --> 00:34:51.570 And for you, our listeners, go to dstartworks.net, use code STIW, 00:34:51.710 --> 00:34:56.010 Sierra Tango, India Whiskey, and get 20% off every order. 00:34:57.090 --> 00:35:02.050 Forever even if something else is on sale but seriously don't overthink it go 00:35:02.050 --> 00:35:06.850 to dcartworks.net spend a minute looking and then message Derek and say here's 00:35:06.850 --> 00:35:13.790 my idea that's where the magic starts and thanks to dcartworks.net for sponsoring this episode. 00:35:16.650 --> 00:35:24.290 All right thanks Derek yeah man cool stuff we had him on last week's show in fact 204, 00:35:25.090 --> 00:35:30.010 Another, I don't think we covered it in there, but he is the senior enlisted 00:35:30.010 --> 00:35:33.990 flight engineer in the Air National Guard Bureau in the United States. 00:35:35.910 --> 00:35:39.590 So, he knows his stuff. He's getting some shit done over there. 00:35:40.050 --> 00:35:43.170 Yeah, he is. Helping out good folks. 00:35:44.470 --> 00:35:48.930 So, man, what else? So, you've been given check rides in the simulator, 00:35:49.130 --> 00:35:52.390 man. How many unsats? I know you're a hard ass in there. Yeah. 00:35:54.866 --> 00:35:59.306 You ever give them a chat? Yeah. Yes. And, and, you know, it's, 00:35:59.366 --> 00:36:01.326 it's not because I didn't like them. 00:36:01.546 --> 00:36:05.046 I thought this crew was where they were nice people. They just needed, 00:36:05.286 --> 00:36:08.746 they weren't, they didn't meet the standard, you know, and the standard is the standard. 00:36:08.946 --> 00:36:13.446 So they just need a little extra training and they got through it eventually. 00:36:14.006 --> 00:36:17.266 Not with me, somebody else. And then, you know, every once in a while, 00:36:17.386 --> 00:36:21.526 somebody does something really, really stupid. Boneheaded. 00:36:22.266 --> 00:36:25.946 Yeah. And then that's out of my hands. you know it's completely out of my hands 00:36:25.946 --> 00:36:28.226 when when somebody does something really stupid, 00:36:29.026 --> 00:36:31.746 yeah yeah well i thought that's why there 00:36:31.746 --> 00:36:34.426 were two pilots in one pilot there to keep the other one 00:36:34.426 --> 00:36:37.186 from doing something really stupid well we hope they just talk them 00:36:37.186 --> 00:36:40.206 into it well so the problem is is when 00:36:40.206 --> 00:36:43.346 one pilot does something really stupid and the other pilot 00:36:43.346 --> 00:36:46.286 is unaware that this is 00:36:46.286 --> 00:36:49.306 going to happen there's the problem right yeah 00:36:49.306 --> 00:36:52.126 that's a complete breakdown in what we were already 00:36:52.126 --> 00:36:54.866 talking about shared metal model here's the 00:36:54.866 --> 00:36:57.886 thing though here's the thing though in in 00:36:57.886 --> 00:37:01.626 my humble opinion that that's super rare one even 00:37:01.626 --> 00:37:05.206 more rare out on the line than it is in the simulator because the simulator 00:37:05.206 --> 00:37:10.286 is designed to con guys into doing stupid shit so they learn something right 00:37:10.286 --> 00:37:17.486 right so no that's spot on that's absolutely right and and the events events 00:37:17.486 --> 00:37:21.266 like that that have personally happened to me when I've been. 00:37:22.485 --> 00:37:27.545 Evaluating the crew has been rare, extremely rare the majority of time. 00:37:27.685 --> 00:37:33.825 And I mean, 95% of the time, I'm always impressed at how, how good we really 00:37:33.825 --> 00:37:35.365 are as, as professionals. 00:37:35.605 --> 00:37:38.485 You know, you come together, you've never, you've never seen each other before 00:37:38.485 --> 00:37:43.625 you come together, you sit down in a little cockpit or big cockpit, whatever. 00:37:44.045 --> 00:37:49.285 And everybody knows the first time you met is literally an hour before pushback. Yeah. 00:37:49.585 --> 00:37:52.345 You know, your job, you know what they're supposed to do. you know 00:37:52.345 --> 00:37:55.705 what you're supposed to do you know the you know how the checklist goes 00:37:55.705 --> 00:37:58.505 you you procedurally you know what's supposed 00:37:58.505 --> 00:38:01.925 to happen it's it's really it's it's 00:38:01.925 --> 00:38:07.205 impressive it it break when it breaks down that's so when it does break down 00:38:07.205 --> 00:38:11.965 and it will when when you get out of sequence when something goes off script 00:38:11.965 --> 00:38:18.085 that's when it's really important to be good at crm so you can catch those errors 00:38:18.085 --> 00:38:20.825 and get back on script, so to speak. 00:38:21.565 --> 00:38:27.805 Yeah. Well, and even then those errors aren't, I'm just trying to put the public's mind at ease. 00:38:27.965 --> 00:38:31.505 Even then those errors aren't necessarily going to lead to a, 00:38:31.505 --> 00:38:33.585 you know, a fatal accident or something like that. 00:38:33.725 --> 00:38:39.125 I mean, for instance, I remember being in a simulator one time and here's one 00:38:39.125 --> 00:38:43.945 that's terrifying and I'm sure you guys do it too, but it's unreliable airspeed indicator. 00:38:45.025 --> 00:38:48.025 And once you realize that someone's airspeed ain't 00:38:48.025 --> 00:38:53.705 quite right and then you start troubleshooting it and all that stuff and just 00:38:53.705 --> 00:38:57.305 follow the damn checklist but i was smarter than the checklist in the airplane 00:38:57.305 --> 00:39:05.325 and so i you know i wound up like over speeding the flaps it's like okay where 00:39:05.325 --> 00:39:07.465 did you deviate from the checklist here, 00:39:08.802 --> 00:39:15.862 Okay. And do you, you know, now do you see why that probably wasn't a good idea? Uh-huh. 00:39:19.042 --> 00:39:24.542 So now, you know, don't, don't, don't go guessing, follow the checklist and 00:39:24.542 --> 00:39:26.022 you'll be fine. Yeah. Lesson learned. 00:39:26.202 --> 00:39:29.482 I mean, that was, that was pretty stupid, but would that have led to a fatal? 00:39:29.682 --> 00:39:34.422 No, I, it would have in theory led to an, a maintenance inspection on the airplane. 00:39:34.422 --> 00:39:37.422 I mean, fortunately it was in the simulator and, you know, it was like, 00:39:37.502 --> 00:39:38.742 eh, okay, don't do that again. 00:39:39.522 --> 00:39:44.762 But, you know, lesson learned. But, yeah, it's, but was it, was that a mistake? 00:39:44.962 --> 00:39:47.242 Yeah. And I'm sure the instructor's just sitting there going, 00:39:47.422 --> 00:39:50.162 man, this is like the fourth time I've seen that this week. Yeah. 00:39:52.364 --> 00:39:57.724 So, well, tell me how your check rides go, being as you are the instructor that gives them. 00:39:57.904 --> 00:40:02.064 So you have probably have to have a standards check airman to give your check rides. 00:40:02.464 --> 00:40:06.704 And do you, they probably go pretty smoothly because you know all the scenarios 00:40:06.704 --> 00:40:07.744 that are going to throw at you. 00:40:08.204 --> 00:40:19.284 Well, so the way we do it is we conduct our checks on the next year's profile. 00:40:20.024 --> 00:40:24.204 Ah, so you haven't given them yet. We, so we give them to each other, 00:40:24.244 --> 00:40:30.284 but when it's in the development stage, you know, the, uh, so the scenario is a city pair. 00:40:30.484 --> 00:40:33.164 You're going to go from Chicago to Newark. 00:40:33.884 --> 00:40:37.764 And then the, you know, all these non-normal things, off script things are going 00:40:37.764 --> 00:40:43.824 to happen so that we can, we can assess a crew's ability to navigate through 00:40:43.824 --> 00:40:46.684 all these different distractions. 00:40:46.704 --> 00:40:49.744 You know, it's basically how is their crm we 00:40:49.744 --> 00:40:52.624 we know they can fly an airplane and uh 00:40:52.624 --> 00:40:55.564 so we we test those and then we tweak them 00:40:55.564 --> 00:41:00.784 as we go through our own checks and training so that that's the loft phase the 00:41:00.784 --> 00:41:07.884 line-oriented flight training loft the day before is when we get recertified 00:41:07.884 --> 00:41:12.324 on all the maneuvers right the single engine go around the single engine approach 00:41:12.324 --> 00:41:13.744 all that stuff yeah so that's 00:41:14.064 --> 00:41:18.704 like we we get evaluated on that like every pilot does. 00:41:20.028 --> 00:41:23.228 The only difference is when we do the loft for the loft phase 00:41:23.228 --> 00:41:26.368 the evaluators you know the standards guys 00:41:26.368 --> 00:41:29.288 are the ones that test it and then 00:41:29.288 --> 00:41:35.188 refine it because some some of the scenarios are our subject matter experts 00:41:35.188 --> 00:41:42.088 come up with are completely off the chart and a line crew would come in and 00:41:42.088 --> 00:41:46.548 you know vapor lock and never they say no we're going to divert right now we're like no no, no, no. 00:41:46.668 --> 00:41:48.968 You know, we don't want, we don't, we, we wanted this to come. 00:41:49.368 --> 00:41:53.288 So that's, that's kind of how we, that's kind of how we do it. Right. Yeah. 00:41:53.548 --> 00:41:57.328 You game in the system to find out. Well, and I imagine probably after three 00:41:57.328 --> 00:42:02.168 or four crews do it, they go, okay, that isn't going to work. 00:42:02.188 --> 00:42:06.608 So we need to, yeah, we need to refine the scenario that we, that we give folks here. 00:42:06.768 --> 00:42:09.688 So what are you doing, man? You're trying to rip your microphone off the wall 00:42:09.688 --> 00:42:10.468 there. It looks like that. 00:42:10.808 --> 00:42:15.528 I got, I got a lot of shit going on here all right all right i'm back i'm back 00:42:15.528 --> 00:42:22.968 so it's gone for a while now always something i'm back yeah so all right well 00:42:22.968 --> 00:42:26.108 we got uh we got quantico coming up next month we're going to go down to the 00:42:26.108 --> 00:42:29.488 marine corps heritage foundation i'm looking forward to that dinner, 00:42:30.208 --> 00:42:34.528 yeah i'm that's going to be a lot of fun i'm looking forward to that myself in fact we may. 00:42:35.388 --> 00:42:39.368 Especially if this tsa stuff isn't figured out i'll probably fly down in my 00:42:39.368 --> 00:42:43.648 tiger because I'm done with getting stranded at airports where I'm going to 00:42:43.648 --> 00:42:46.668 have to wait forever just to get on an airplane. 00:42:47.008 --> 00:42:49.108 No, that's no bueno. 00:42:50.888 --> 00:42:54.188 Listen, we're a month out from that or a little less than a month out. 00:42:54.808 --> 00:42:58.768 I have a high level of confidence that this shit's going to be ironed out by then. 00:42:59.809 --> 00:43:02.949 Oh, man, I probably just put the nail in there. 00:43:03.729 --> 00:43:07.809 I put the nail in the coffin, didn't I? Great. 00:43:10.089 --> 00:43:13.289 Nicely done. Yeah. Sorry about that. Yeah. 00:43:13.429 --> 00:43:19.589 And so then the 25th is the Marine Corps Heritage Foundation black tie event. 00:43:19.889 --> 00:43:27.709 And hopefully we will get a story or two from that and maybe line up some talent 00:43:27.709 --> 00:43:29.109 to come on and tell stories. 00:43:30.089 --> 00:43:33.489 Absolutely. I'm thinking we will. And then a month after that, 00:43:33.989 --> 00:43:38.289 holy shit, here comes the sundown week. That's going to be a big week. 00:43:38.949 --> 00:43:44.009 Last Harriers to go. So yeah, that's, that's, that's going to be very bittersweet. 00:43:44.189 --> 00:43:48.689 It's going to be fun to get down there and see a bunch of old faces and watch 00:43:48.689 --> 00:43:50.229 the Harrier fly one last time. 00:43:50.389 --> 00:43:53.609 But, oh man, it's hard to believe it's, it's going away. 00:43:54.629 --> 00:43:58.049 You know we we floated this idea and i 00:43:58.049 --> 00:44:01.089 thought it had some traction then it kind of it seems 00:44:01.089 --> 00:44:03.829 like it it might have got it might have 00:44:03.829 --> 00:44:10.789 got dropped in a crack but we at one point said we might have open an open night 00:44:10.789 --> 00:44:16.029 open mic so to speak i'll get back with 223 guys we need to try and do that 00:44:16.029 --> 00:44:21.609 yeah they're going to get the vma 223 pilots to have a have a virtual happy hour on Zoom with us. 00:44:21.889 --> 00:44:26.709 There is a, so I've been in contact with one of them quite a bit lately. 00:44:26.809 --> 00:44:30.169 And I asked them what squadron of life's like right now. 00:44:30.289 --> 00:44:32.989 And they have a debt out. They have a debt down in the Caribbean. 00:44:34.558 --> 00:44:39.658 Right now they won't let them come home because they want them there and so there's literally, 00:44:40.218 --> 00:44:48.398 seven pilots at the squadron oh wow so it's pretty quiet wow yeah so we we might 00:44:48.398 --> 00:44:52.158 be able to get two or three of them on that'd be for a happy hour which would 00:44:52.158 --> 00:44:56.938 be so which would be perfect you know talk about real time talk about life in 00:44:56.938 --> 00:44:59.818 in the last harrier squadron you know as it's winding down, 00:45:00.038 --> 00:45:07.278 what it's like, what your plans are, what's going to look like for the squadron, so on and so forth. 00:45:08.138 --> 00:45:11.278 I was still shocked, though. I got to go back to when we were there. 00:45:11.438 --> 00:45:18.038 Gosh, I guess it was two years ago now when we were there for the 231 demo last year. 00:45:18.723 --> 00:45:23.563 Level three demo. Yes. That I think they call it a heritage room, 00:45:23.583 --> 00:45:27.483 but that there's a bar in the squadrons. What the hell? 00:45:27.983 --> 00:45:31.503 Who, who, who, that was so verboten when we were there. Are you kidding me? 00:45:32.003 --> 00:45:37.863 Now I think they've done it probably because the, because the officer club system is kaput. Yeah. 00:45:38.243 --> 00:45:41.063 With the shit, right? The dirty shames no more. 00:45:41.783 --> 00:45:44.183 And I think the club's an all hands club now. 00:45:45.003 --> 00:45:51.043 Yeah. I'm not, I'm not sure, but I know it's not, it, It's not the quaint little 00:45:51.043 --> 00:45:54.983 dirty shame type bar, which we all knew and loved. 00:45:55.803 --> 00:46:02.043 Right. The worst part of it being all hands is I know the troopers didn't want 00:46:02.043 --> 00:46:04.623 the staff NCOs and the officers watching them. 00:46:04.803 --> 00:46:07.663 And staff NCOs didn't want officers and troopers watching them. 00:46:07.783 --> 00:46:11.563 And I mean, it's just not the best place to socialize. So that makes it tough. 00:46:11.743 --> 00:46:16.723 But, you know, who am I? They didn't make me commandant, so I couldn't reverse that, you know. 00:46:18.083 --> 00:46:20.883 Well i'll fix that damn it they made 00:46:20.883 --> 00:46:23.663 one of my tbs classmates coming out but i don't think he gives 00:46:23.663 --> 00:46:27.363 two shits about the officers club at cherry point right i'm 00:46:27.363 --> 00:46:31.863 thinking you're right i'm thinking you're right yeah what do i know what do 00:46:31.863 --> 00:46:36.223 i know maybe he does i don't know well he's going to be uh the guest the military 00:46:36.223 --> 00:46:41.683 guest thanks month well i will ask him when i see him there you go what are 00:46:41.683 --> 00:46:46.143 you going to do about this fix it hey what are we doing do your job what the hell, 00:46:46.703 --> 00:46:49.323 Come on, General. Do your damn job. 00:46:50.143 --> 00:46:55.923 It blows my mind that, guys, our seniority are all four stars or retired. I know. It's crazy. 00:46:56.963 --> 00:47:03.863 And, you know, when we were lieutenants and captains, those senior officers 00:47:03.863 --> 00:47:05.963 look like somebody's grandfather. 00:47:06.503 --> 00:47:09.703 Who is this old guy? How can he pass a PT test, right? 00:47:10.443 --> 00:47:12.703 Right. Exactly. And here we are. 00:47:13.682 --> 00:47:17.462 That being said, and now I can't remember the name of the town. 00:47:17.642 --> 00:47:20.742 It was where the Audubon Society was formed over in Louisiana, 00:47:21.062 --> 00:47:22.062 west of the Mississippi. 00:47:22.282 --> 00:47:26.062 Anyway, a friend of mine had a cabin on a lake up there. 00:47:28.102 --> 00:47:32.002 And Shea, my wife, and I were driving up there. 00:47:34.242 --> 00:47:37.942 And guys pulled in a gas station. This guy's running by, and I go, 00:47:38.642 --> 00:47:40.762 it's coming down to the Marine Corps. She's like, that's bullshit. 00:47:41.762 --> 00:47:44.782 I go, General Kelly. px 00:47:44.782 --> 00:47:47.642 kelly yeah it was px kelly he was 00:47:47.642 --> 00:47:50.402 getting gas no he was running by he was 00:47:50.402 --> 00:47:55.022 pting oh no shit yeah it that was his hometown i can't think of the name of 00:47:55.022 --> 00:47:59.322 the hometown oh yeah it's wherever the audubon society was born it wasn't new 00:47:59.322 --> 00:48:04.382 iberia somewhere else there out in louisiana yeah general kelly out home for 00:48:04.382 --> 00:48:08.402 a weekend and out for a run and i'm going general kelly that you how you doing, 00:48:09.422 --> 00:48:14.402 Lieutenant Marine Corps going to TBS next week that's awesome, 00:48:16.014 --> 00:48:19.094 And then I met him two more times. I met him at my first Marine Corps ball, 00:48:19.614 --> 00:48:25.054 uh, eight weeks later and then in Hawk Missiles, I was down at LZ Bluebird for 00:48:25.054 --> 00:48:27.574 a, for a CAC's combined arms demo. 00:48:27.794 --> 00:48:30.914 And he came up when I was a platoon commander in Hawk Missiles. 00:48:31.134 --> 00:48:32.974 Wow. Neat guy. Fun to talk to. 00:48:34.174 --> 00:48:37.994 One of those guys who seemed like he actually gave a damn who you were and what you had to say. 00:48:38.334 --> 00:48:41.414 Now I was the second lieutenant platoon commander. He didn't much care, 00:48:41.534 --> 00:48:44.454 but he acted like he did. Well, that's all right. 00:48:45.254 --> 00:48:47.094 Right on. So that's all right. 00:48:48.814 --> 00:48:51.774 So man, we've been going at this, uh, close to an hour. 00:48:51.954 --> 00:48:54.894 I think we probably ought to land the airplane and let people get out of here 00:48:54.894 --> 00:48:57.134 this week. Yeah, man. Let's land the plane. 00:48:57.634 --> 00:49:01.574 That was good. Good discussion. We, we, uh, I didn't know where exactly it was 00:49:01.574 --> 00:49:03.374 going to go, but it went, it went somewhere. 00:49:04.194 --> 00:49:07.514 Yeah. You know, because as soon as there's an accident or an incident, 00:49:07.514 --> 00:49:12.234 all my non-aviation friends will call or when I see them, they go, 00:49:12.314 --> 00:49:13.194 Hey, what do you think happened? 00:49:13.294 --> 00:49:17.114 What, you know, cause we're the experts, right? And I, like you, 00:49:17.294 --> 00:49:18.294 don't like to speculate. 00:49:18.434 --> 00:49:25.414 I like to stick with, hey, this is what we know. And I can honestly say watching it is horrific. 00:49:25.514 --> 00:49:29.974 And I can only imagine what those pilots saw coming at the last second. 00:49:29.994 --> 00:49:34.154 And they knew it was over. They knew it was done. Yeah. 00:49:34.374 --> 00:49:38.674 And I got to tell you, you know, so I did aviation safety for the union for 00:49:38.674 --> 00:49:42.434 years and all that. But that third course, there's three courses you go through 00:49:42.434 --> 00:49:45.734 for accident investigation with the Airline Pilots Association. 00:49:46.314 --> 00:49:49.154 And the last one, they're like, you know, yeah, this is more of what we call 00:49:49.154 --> 00:49:51.674 the hair, teeth, and eyeballs, walking through the crash site, 00:49:51.874 --> 00:49:53.654 picking up remains, that kind of stuff. 00:49:53.714 --> 00:49:57.494 And I said, yeah, I've done enough of that in my career. I'm not doing that anymore. 00:49:57.714 --> 00:50:01.954 I've got people here that do that, and I'm not going to even bother going to 00:50:01.954 --> 00:50:05.054 that course. And I've also found that I just don't even watch, 00:50:05.074 --> 00:50:10.334 I had to force myself to go back and watch this LaGuardia one and the evaluation on that. 00:50:12.026 --> 00:50:17.206 That one and, and Louisville, Kentucky with, uh, UPS last fall. Oh yeah. Oh boy. 00:50:18.306 --> 00:50:22.186 It's, it's all I can do to watch those because I just don't even do it anymore. 00:50:22.386 --> 00:50:26.366 It's just not something that I want to see, need to see, you know, it's heartbreaking. 00:50:26.406 --> 00:50:30.526 And I know a little bit about what, what they were going through and, 00:50:30.866 --> 00:50:34.926 and yeah, I just, it's hard to watch. 00:50:35.386 --> 00:50:39.046 So it is. Don't feel bad if you can't go watch it folks. It's, it's hard. 00:50:41.406 --> 00:50:47.966 Yeah it's a fact yeah yeah so hey for everybody out there on the front lines 00:50:47.966 --> 00:50:52.326 and there's a crap ton of them including I've got a nephew out there in the 00:50:52.326 --> 00:50:55.046 Middle East now in the Persian Gulf with the with the Marines, 00:50:55.626 --> 00:50:59.106 thank you for your service thank you for stepping up thanks for what you do 00:50:59.106 --> 00:51:04.606 for signing your name on the on the bottom line there we blank check deeply 00:51:04.606 --> 00:51:10.146 grateful yeah it is a blank check they signed a blank check Right. 00:51:11.046 --> 00:51:18.306 Right. And I think that's something that we as a civilian population lose sight 00:51:18.306 --> 00:51:24.246 of sometimes when people are serving, they are literally writing a blank check to our country, 00:51:24.486 --> 00:51:26.946 payable with up to your life. 00:51:27.466 --> 00:51:29.906 And that's that's no small thing. 00:51:31.286 --> 00:51:37.106 No. And, and the other people involved in that are, are the families who support 00:51:37.106 --> 00:51:40.966 that and may, may wind up greeting a flag draped casket. 00:51:41.346 --> 00:51:45.166 And that's a big sacrifice for them to put up with. 00:51:45.286 --> 00:51:50.446 So we're thankful for all of them who allow them to do it distraction free. Grateful for that. So. 00:51:53.491 --> 00:52:02.071 Go ahead, man. What else? Hey, shout out to BackBeat Media, Dave Hamilton, 00:52:02.271 --> 00:52:03.891 my man Dave at BackBeat Media. 00:52:04.291 --> 00:52:13.051 He gives us the bandwidth, the knowledge, and he also is the coordinator of 00:52:13.051 --> 00:52:17.971 some of our advertisers that we get from time to time, which helps us keep the lights on. 00:52:18.731 --> 00:52:22.891 Absolutely. And it looks like they're in the deal. I'll talk to you about offline. 00:52:22.891 --> 00:52:25.951 It looks like they're in the works for a deal that may come on for a while. 00:52:26.191 --> 00:52:28.331 So that would be cool. Yeah. Yeah. 00:52:30.031 --> 00:52:34.631 And to all the people who've lost all sense of financial responsibility, God bless you. 00:52:36.431 --> 00:52:42.311 So there I was at US slash Patreon where you give us your money for no apparent 00:52:42.311 --> 00:52:45.531 reason, but other than to keep these shows coming to you. 00:52:45.731 --> 00:52:49.391 And we're grateful you do that. 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We question your judgment. 00:53:20.453 --> 00:53:24.973 Seriously your financial judgment but we so much appreciate you yeah what is your nuts. 00:53:27.653 --> 00:53:30.393 Hey we got a merch store i don't know if you're aware 00:53:30.393 --> 00:53:33.373 of this or not repeat but we have a merch store you know 00:53:33.373 --> 00:53:42.193 i heard goodies hats t-shirts koozies shot glasses beer glasses a bikini there 00:53:42.193 --> 00:53:47.893 you go that's right it's beginning it's beginning to begin the beginning of 00:53:47.893 --> 00:53:52.173 bikini season again in North America. Woo-hoo-hoo-hoo! 00:53:52.573 --> 00:53:54.173 Yeah, it is. That's what I'm talking about. 00:53:55.853 --> 00:54:00.713 Make it so. Yeah. Yeah, so there I was, .us slash merch. 00:54:01.393 --> 00:54:05.733 That'll do it. Go get some cool stuff. The graphics on that, 00:54:06.173 --> 00:54:08.713 our show logo, all designed by Styx. 00:54:09.693 --> 00:54:13.893 Fantastic. Who knew that guy was so talented? Great. Exactly. 00:54:14.273 --> 00:54:18.533 I don't think even he knew. Just saying. so could 00:54:18.533 --> 00:54:23.133 you go to solaris.us slash rate and 00:54:23.133 --> 00:54:25.853 give us five stars please helps other people find the 00:54:25.853 --> 00:54:28.713 show believe it or not it really does so any ratings 00:54:28.713 --> 00:54:31.653 you can give us i haven't gone and checked on ratings in a long time 00:54:31.653 --> 00:54:36.293 but i'm i'm assuming we're not getting many or i wouldn't keep asking yeah just 00:54:36.293 --> 00:54:40.393 kidding yeah hey we're trainable if you can't give us five tell us why and if 00:54:40.393 --> 00:54:44.913 you can't give us five give it to somebody else give us some other podcast but 00:54:44.913 --> 00:54:49.473 great to fig So there I was.us and tell him why he's all screwed up and how to fix it. Yeah. 00:54:50.033 --> 00:54:52.153 I need, I need fixing. 00:54:54.573 --> 00:54:59.853 So didn't use any images today, but sometimes we use them from badass. 00:55:01.293 --> 00:55:05.933 BDSaviationphotography.com. Guy's an artist. He is true artist. Thanks, badass. 00:55:06.931 --> 00:55:10.311 Right. I don't know how he comes up with that stuff, but he does. 00:55:10.591 --> 00:55:13.911 He's got an eye. He's got an eye for it. Apparently, he's got some big lenses 00:55:13.911 --> 00:55:16.451 because he gets some photos that are incredible. 00:55:16.651 --> 00:55:20.171 It's like he's standing. I mean, I swear to God, you're looking at Pilot's acne 00:55:20.171 --> 00:55:22.431 as he's going by at 300 knots on departure. 00:55:23.311 --> 00:55:29.891 Yeah. Not a blur. Nothing. It's really, really true art. Exactly. 00:55:31.591 --> 00:55:35.251 Then, of course, Sticks and Bago aren't here because we sneaked this one in on him. 00:55:35.411 --> 00:55:38.391 Didn't tell him we were even going to do it. We decided at the last minute we 00:55:38.391 --> 00:55:41.371 had some time. We're going to bang this out and get this show to you this week. 00:55:41.371 --> 00:55:44.811 We don't know what we're doing for next week yet. We'll figure that out eventually, we hope. 00:55:45.971 --> 00:55:48.091 But so that's where we're at on that. 00:55:49.691 --> 00:55:54.031 I don't know. I feel like I'm hearing something in the background. Oh, buddy. 00:55:54.991 --> 00:55:59.411 That's the two Air Force F-16 pilots that make the whole damn service sound 00:55:59.411 --> 00:56:01.511 good. That's the Dos Gringos. 00:56:05.131 --> 00:56:10.251 Yeah, they've been guests on our podcast. They have four amazing albums with 00:56:10.251 --> 00:56:12.571 music that will brighten your day. 00:56:12.791 --> 00:56:17.351 If you're having a bad day, listen to one of their songs because they're quite— You'll howl. 00:56:17.671 --> 00:56:19.591 You'll howl. It's great stuff. 00:56:21.071 --> 00:56:25.431 One last quick thank you again to Derek over at dcartworks.net for sponsoring 00:56:25.431 --> 00:56:27.811 this episode. I'm telling you, his stuff is amazing. 00:56:27.991 --> 00:56:30.891 You're going to get to see it up close and personal if you go to the Harrier 00:56:30.891 --> 00:56:32.431 Sundown the first week of June. 00:56:32.871 --> 00:56:38.731 He's making nine. count them, nine four-foot steel squadron patches so that 00:56:38.731 --> 00:56:43.231 people will be able to go and get their photo taken by their old squadron patch. 00:56:43.391 --> 00:56:46.411 Full color, cut steel, hand finished. That's awesome. 00:56:47.011 --> 00:56:50.671 Yeah. That is really awesome. Yeah, just amazing. 00:56:51.011 --> 00:56:56.571 Just amazing. I'm getting a bulldog patch done for my fighter bar, 00:56:56.711 --> 00:56:59.831 but I'm only getting it done in like two feet instead of four feet. 00:57:00.591 --> 00:57:05.411 And, you know. That's okay. Well, four feet's bitty. That takes up a lot of 00:57:05.411 --> 00:57:06.591 wall space right there, buddy. 00:57:07.131 --> 00:57:09.151 You got to have a lot of wall space for a four-footer. 00:57:09.711 --> 00:57:12.271 Yeah. Two feet, that's doable. You can fit that in. 00:57:13.091 --> 00:57:16.031 Right? Yeah. And it's going to be cool. 00:57:16.091 --> 00:57:18.611 I'm not doing the regular patch, the Bulldog with the, you know, 00:57:18.711 --> 00:57:22.211 the one that Walt Disney designed, the Bulldog with the wings and the boxing gloves. 00:57:22.431 --> 00:57:24.831 I'm doing the one with the Bulldog smoking a cigar. 00:57:26.011 --> 00:57:29.611 Ah, that's right. The great American Bulldogs. 00:58:16.481 --> 00:58:22.961 Oh, hold on. What? He said it's over. Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room. 00:58:24.021 --> 00:58:25.421 We are out. 00:58:26.601 --> 00:58:34.001 That was from Dr. Strangelove. Yeah, man. You can't fight in here. I mean, my president. 00:58:37.141 --> 00:58:44.381 Of course, the whole point of having the doomsday machine is to tell the other side you have it. 00:58:47.621 --> 00:58:51.641 I got to watch that again. Peter Sellers. What a talent. Yep.