WEBVTT 00:00:43.763 --> 00:00:53.543 So there I was, commemorating an auspicious occasion today that actually took place yesterday. 00:00:54.163 --> 00:00:57.963 Hey, this is Fig. Welcome to So There I Was. Where's my co-host? 00:00:59.003 --> 00:01:04.523 Well, this is Styx. I'm up here in Whitefield, New Hampshire, on the road today. 00:01:05.583 --> 00:01:11.163 Nice. Hey, it's Baggo. Baggo. I'm at Sherry Point, North Carolina, just getting off work. 00:01:12.570 --> 00:01:16.630 Hi, you work a four-letter word ending in K. 00:01:17.070 --> 00:01:20.890 Greetings, everybody. Repeat here and welcome to episode 200. 00:01:21.230 --> 00:01:23.490 Count them. Two, zero, zero. 00:01:24.130 --> 00:01:29.150 Can you believe it? Double centuries. And wow, what a great, 00:01:29.490 --> 00:01:36.030 great occasion to have show 200 because while we're at 200, we are going to 00:01:36.030 --> 00:01:42.390 be talking about a man today who has hit one century over a third of our nation's lifetime. 00:01:42.390 --> 00:01:46.130 This man has been drawing breath and doing heroic acts. 00:01:46.250 --> 00:01:51.390 And after 73 years of delay, Captain Royce Williams, United States Navy, 00:01:51.570 --> 00:01:54.390 retired, finally got his due. 00:01:54.570 --> 00:01:57.170 Last night at the State of Union address, they pinned it on. 00:01:57.550 --> 00:02:04.670 And then today, it was the official ceremony. They read the citation for his Medal of Honor. 00:02:04.790 --> 00:02:07.690 We're going to play that for you here in just a minute. Outstanding. 00:02:08.270 --> 00:02:13.030 Wow, this is cool. So, Sticks, this is kind of your idea. Why don't you kick 00:02:13.030 --> 00:02:15.910 it off with some of where we wanted to go with this, please? 00:02:16.390 --> 00:02:21.950 Right. Well, you know, so we like to start off a lot of our episodes with, so there I was. 00:02:22.110 --> 00:02:29.270 I'm just going to say, so there he was at 19,000 feet in a 7v1 fight in his 00:02:29.270 --> 00:02:34.090 F9F Panther against seven MiG-15s. 00:02:34.450 --> 00:02:38.610 And then yada, yada, yada, he gets the Medal of Honor. How about that? 00:02:38.610 --> 00:02:41.570 Yeah, Yada Yada, 73 years of Yada's. 00:02:42.250 --> 00:02:46.430 Exactly. You can't, and we, of course, Yada Yada'd out the best part, 00:02:46.590 --> 00:02:47.690 which was the actual fight. 00:02:48.250 --> 00:02:52.590 So I think one of the important things for us to recognize is that the Medal 00:02:52.590 --> 00:02:58.390 of Honor is the highest award that can be given to any of our military service members. 00:02:58.930 --> 00:03:07.790 Quick look on that also finds it's only been awarded 107 times for aviation and aviation type. 00:03:08.618 --> 00:03:15.278 Sorties or events. And, you know, this also puts him in the league with Pappy 00:03:15.278 --> 00:03:23.458 Boynton and also puts him in there with Billy Mitchell, who put your hair down the midway. 00:03:24.098 --> 00:03:28.838 Some of the most distinguished, you know, aviators in history, 00:03:29.258 --> 00:03:30.598 you know, and he's earned it. 00:03:30.698 --> 00:03:35.678 You know, I think his story is absolutely fantastic but 00:03:35.678 --> 00:03:40.158 you know he's uh it's you know this was sort of a brainchild of like let's go 00:03:40.158 --> 00:03:44.738 back and revisit a little bit of his episode talk about his story and bring 00:03:44.738 --> 00:03:50.238 that back to the forefront because it's well deserved for sure yes it is yeah 00:03:50.238 --> 00:03:54.638 yes he was about to turn 99 when we interviewed him on episode 45. 00:03:56.672 --> 00:03:59.692 Just a little while ago yeah on april 4th 00:03:59.692 --> 00:04:04.112 of this year 2026 he's going to be 101 so and 00:04:04.112 --> 00:04:06.872 still lucid as as ever i mean it's 00:04:06.872 --> 00:04:10.032 so cool you know when i went back and re-listened to that episode it 00:04:10.032 --> 00:04:12.972 was amazing his uh recall of certain 00:04:12.972 --> 00:04:15.812 events surrounding that and what i also think 00:04:15.812 --> 00:04:19.872 is important to note is that this interaction that 00:04:19.872 --> 00:04:23.252 he had with these seven migs is considered the you 00:04:23.252 --> 00:04:27.372 know perhaps the greatest and most significant uh you 00:04:27.372 --> 00:04:31.152 know naval aviation event you know 00:04:31.152 --> 00:04:34.632 and it's been buried into the history books and uh buried 00:04:34.632 --> 00:04:37.832 literally buried literally buried yeah you 00:04:37.832 --> 00:04:41.092 know so i think it's really cool that we were able to 00:04:41.092 --> 00:04:44.712 you know to bring this to the forefront especially all 00:04:44.712 --> 00:04:47.492 the way back in episode 34 and then we come back around full 00:04:47.492 --> 00:04:50.432 circle now sitting at episode 200 and he 00:04:50.432 --> 00:04:53.332 just gets awarded the medal of honor i just think it's 00:04:53.332 --> 00:04:57.132 absolutely outstanding yeah quickly it 00:04:57.132 --> 00:05:00.152 was episode 45 episode 45 you're correct 00:05:00.152 --> 00:05:03.912 so there i was at us slash episode slash 45 what 00:05:03.912 --> 00:05:07.592 a blessing it is that he got it 00:05:07.592 --> 00:05:11.232 awarded and it wasn't posthumously because 00:05:11.232 --> 00:05:14.312 my fear was when we talked about this way back 00:05:14.312 --> 00:05:17.332 in episode 45 yeah and we knew 00:05:17.332 --> 00:05:21.872 that it was sitting in it was sitting at the senate level right to be approved. 00:05:21.872 --> 00:05:28.352 That they you know this was not a high priority item for some reason it was 00:05:28.352 --> 00:05:32.872 going to drag on to lord knows when and then the next thing you know somebody's 00:05:32.872 --> 00:05:36.532 typing and it's really loud and it would have been. 00:05:38.472 --> 00:05:45.092 Not a factor anymore he's actually now the oldest recipient ever of the medal of honor, 00:05:46.320 --> 00:05:50.580 that's even more badass that is 00:05:50.580 --> 00:05:53.820 awesome nice what do 00:05:53.820 --> 00:05:56.660 you remember from show 45 bago anything anything stick 00:05:56.660 --> 00:06:00.140 out oh yeah well six started it he mentioned it was 1v7 however 00:06:00.140 --> 00:06:02.840 if we recall it started out as a 00:06:02.840 --> 00:06:06.560 4v7 and that's right we went 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:09.720 downhill from there yeah but yeah i 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:13.280 think the most amazing thing of it all from the start of it was that 00:06:13.280 --> 00:06:16.720 he told us he had almost 100 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:25.220 hours in the seat during his very first ever dogfight 1v7 and then flying an 00:06:25.220 --> 00:06:31.820 underpowered under gunned he was just a way outmatched more airplane the mig-15 00:06:31.820 --> 00:06:33.720 was much more airplane way out right Right. 00:06:34.320 --> 00:06:37.460 And it's actually, and I've even, go ahead, brother. Go ahead. 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:39.960 No, I've even got a, so let me pull this up real quick. 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:45.180 So I've got a, like a quick slide here that actually pulls up a comparison between 00:06:45.180 --> 00:06:52.220 the two, but the whole idea of the, of the MiG-15 was to take on the straight 00:06:52.220 --> 00:06:54.720 wing fighters and to take advantage of that. 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:57.980 And of course, what is, what does he happen to find himself in? 00:06:58.280 --> 00:07:00.260 You know, a total straight wing fighter. 00:07:00.940 --> 00:07:06.360 And, you know, It certainly is more maneuverable, has a better thrust to weight ratio. 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:11.720 But the one advantage that he had was he had more, there was more firepower. 00:07:11.980 --> 00:07:15.620 He had more guns to work with, more bullets to send down range. 00:07:15.740 --> 00:07:21.180 That was really about his only advantage and sheer determination to see it through. 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:24.940 So to me, that says a lot. 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:31.920 And it looked like through the years that the F9F has had a varied or different thrust ratio. 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:37.580 And on average, it looks like it's been around 0.3 is about the average, 00:07:37.700 --> 00:07:40.720 whereas the MiG-15 was sitting at 0.58. 00:07:42.251 --> 00:07:47.131 Which is a big difference. It's a big difference. And you had to spend every 00:07:47.131 --> 00:07:48.851 single last bullet to make it out of there, too. 00:07:50.571 --> 00:07:55.591 Yeah, I did. Yeah. Yep. And what... Go ahead. 00:07:56.531 --> 00:07:59.811 No, I don't want to interrupt you. No, I was just going to say that in that 00:07:59.811 --> 00:08:04.471 whole conflict, when you go back and you look at it, it lasted 35 minutes. 00:08:05.211 --> 00:08:12.231 Which is... And granted, I have zero dogfight time. 00:08:12.251 --> 00:08:14.551 But from what I understand, that's an eternity. 00:08:14.891 --> 00:08:18.051 It is, in fact, actually the longest dogfight in U.S. naval history. 00:08:19.791 --> 00:08:25.791 Yeah. You know, having never done it for real, but done it in training, 00:08:25.791 --> 00:08:30.171 I don't know, thousands of times, that is a literal eternity. 00:08:31.091 --> 00:08:36.731 You know, if you... 30s last an hour sometimes, you know, in a 35-minute fight. 00:08:37.011 --> 00:08:42.131 I don't know. I think a long engagement for us might have been four or five minutes. 00:08:42.951 --> 00:08:47.731 That was super long. Yeah, that was gone with the win for crying out loud. 00:08:47.871 --> 00:08:51.731 I mean, normally those things are over within a minute and a half or even less. 00:08:51.951 --> 00:08:55.771 In a turning fight, which they were in. He was in a turning fight with these guys. 00:08:58.131 --> 00:09:01.991 That's gone with the win times two, maybe three. It's insane. 00:09:02.471 --> 00:09:07.671 Yeah. Well, why don't we take about a minute and just shy of two minutes here, 00:09:07.671 --> 00:09:11.971 and I will play the citation that they read to honor him. 00:09:12.031 --> 00:09:17.531 And I will send out a thanks to Scotty Southard, go Marine, for sending me the 00:09:17.531 --> 00:09:20.111 link to get a hold of this citation. 00:09:20.431 --> 00:09:25.211 So it's about a minute 45 and the official citation of his Medal of Honor. 00:09:26.047 --> 00:09:28.787 The President of the United States, in the name of Congress, 00:09:29.067 --> 00:09:32.287 takes pleasure in awarding the Medal of Honor to Lieutenant E. 00:09:32.467 --> 00:09:35.527 Royce Williams for service as set forth in the following. 00:09:35.827 --> 00:09:40.627 For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and 00:09:40.627 --> 00:09:43.627 beyond the call of duty on 18 November 1952, 00:09:43.747 --> 00:09:47.547 while leading a division of three jet fighters attached to Fighter Squadron 00:09:47.547 --> 00:09:52.747 781 VF-781 and embarked on USS Ariskany. 00:09:53.447 --> 00:09:57.047 While flying a combat patrol mission over the northeastern coastal waters of 00:09:57.047 --> 00:09:58.167 enemy-held North Korea, 00:09:58.647 --> 00:10:02.807 Lieutenant Williams demonstrated extraordinary heroism by intercepting a superior 00:10:02.807 --> 00:10:09.187 force of attacking enemy MiG-15 fighters in order to protect the ships of Task Force 77. 00:10:09.987 --> 00:10:13.967 After thwarting the enemy's initial attack, he maneuvered his aircraft to make 00:10:13.967 --> 00:10:17.407 two firing passes on one MiG, which then spiraled into the sea. 00:10:17.407 --> 00:10:19.347 He inflicted heavy damage to 00:10:19.347 --> 00:10:23.387 a second MiG-15, which started smoking badly and retired from the fight. 00:10:23.647 --> 00:10:28.007 When his own aircraft was severely damaged by a direct hit from one of the remaining 00:10:28.007 --> 00:10:30.247 enemy MiG-15s, Lieutenant Williams 00:10:30.247 --> 00:10:33.987 evaded further enemy attack while continuing to direct the dogfight. 00:10:34.307 --> 00:10:37.887 He eventually found cover in a cloud bank, broke off the engagement, 00:10:38.047 --> 00:10:43.047 and miraculously landed his nearly uncontrollable aircraft on the USS Oriskany. 00:10:43.047 --> 00:10:48.727 His exceptional airmanship, coupled with his complete disregard for his own personal safety, 00:10:49.027 --> 00:10:53.607 resulted in the destruction of three enemy MiG-15s and severe damage to a fourth, 00:10:53.807 --> 00:10:58.447 and undoubtedly saved the lives of hundreds of Task Force 77 sailors. 00:10:59.487 --> 00:11:03.427 By his undaunted courage, bold initiative, and total devotion to duty, 00:11:03.767 --> 00:11:07.107 Lieutenant Williams reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest 00:11:07.107 --> 00:11:09.607 traditions of the United States Naval Service. 00:11:11.275 --> 00:11:19.715 Boom. And I got to say, that citation, it is badass, but that citation kind of underplays it. 00:11:19.955 --> 00:11:26.855 He talked about the book, Red Devils over the Yalu, and they confirmed kills. 00:11:27.095 --> 00:11:31.635 This dude didn't retire from the fight. He was forcefully retired. 00:11:31.635 --> 00:11:40.255 So correct me if I'm wrong, but it was the intelligence ship track those seven 00:11:40.255 --> 00:11:42.615 MIGs when they launch from the Russian base. 00:11:44.335 --> 00:11:47.915 And can you guys hear me? Okay. Gotcha. Yes. Yep. Yep. All right. 00:11:48.295 --> 00:11:51.455 And then seven launched, but only six came back. 00:11:52.435 --> 00:11:56.275 Yes. I'm sorry. Seven launched, but only one came back. 00:11:56.675 --> 00:12:04.095 Yeah. So, you know, he might have got, you know, he might have got six. 00:12:05.755 --> 00:12:09.615 If he nicked their fuel tank and they ran out of gas before they got back to 00:12:09.615 --> 00:12:12.475 home plate, you know, that's, in my book, that's a kill. 00:12:12.815 --> 00:12:16.035 Yeah, a kill's a kill. We know those three he downed right then and there. 00:12:16.415 --> 00:12:20.535 One ejected, trying to make it back home, and the other two. 00:12:20.915 --> 00:12:25.375 Yeah, and they gave credit to that kill, to the Dash 2 in the fight, 00:12:25.375 --> 00:12:27.995 who went away and came back, which was kind of bad. Chased him. 00:12:30.180 --> 00:12:35.140 Yeah, interesting, right? And again, they talk about getting back aboard, 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:38.800 but, you know, dude was doing 175 knots over there. 00:12:38.860 --> 00:12:42.600 Well, and they left off the part that when he came out of the bottom of the 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:46.620 clouds in the middle of the task force, they opened up on him because they thought he was the end. 00:12:46.900 --> 00:12:50.820 They were shooting at him. It was a welcome home party. That's all. Some fireworks for him. 00:12:51.760 --> 00:12:53.260 Fireworks. Welcome to your back. 00:12:54.300 --> 00:12:57.920 Congratulations for making it back to the boat. Now we're going to try and shake it out. Right. 00:12:58.300 --> 00:13:03.100 Dear God, make it stop. And just for our listeners that aren't aware of this 00:13:03.100 --> 00:13:08.120 story, it was February in the North China Sea. I don't remember, but just as cold. 00:13:08.620 --> 00:13:14.000 It was November? Yeah, November 52nd. Yeah, it was cold. It was cold. It was sleeting. 00:13:14.800 --> 00:13:22.960 And the water temperature was such that, yeah, he would not have survived in 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:25.100 the water had he decided to jump out. 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:29.480 So he knew the only way forward was to try to get aboard the ship. 00:13:29.660 --> 00:13:31.600 Yeah, you mentioned the intelligence config. 00:13:32.060 --> 00:13:39.580 The team on the USS Helena, which is where they got the intercepted Soviet communications 00:13:39.580 --> 00:13:43.480 from, it was actually the very first unit of the NSA, 00:13:45.997 --> 00:13:49.537 Oh, a little side note there. How about that? Oh, no kidding. 00:13:50.077 --> 00:13:53.397 That looks like a battle ship. They're codenamed, codenamed Canoe was their 00:13:53.397 --> 00:13:54.617 codename while they were there. 00:13:55.337 --> 00:13:57.217 Oh, nice. Just a canoe out in the water. 00:13:59.857 --> 00:14:04.477 Thinking of NSA. I have a little fun. I named my phone NSA surveillance, 00:14:04.497 --> 00:14:07.157 so when people are looking around for Wi-Fi, if I'm near. 00:14:07.897 --> 00:14:14.077 Yep. Look at you. But, yeah, just having some fun at other people's paranoia at expense. 00:14:17.397 --> 00:14:20.437 So, we've got another special treat. 00:14:20.737 --> 00:14:26.057 I managed to have a chat with Captain Williams on Saturday last. 00:14:27.317 --> 00:14:31.757 And he agreed to come on with us, and he's also agreed to come back once he 00:14:31.757 --> 00:14:33.117 got back from Washington, D.C. 00:14:33.177 --> 00:14:36.717 This was the eve of him getting on an airplane and flying to Washington, D.C. 00:14:37.117 --> 00:14:40.397 I did not realize he was going to be a guest at the State of the Union address, 00:14:40.617 --> 00:14:43.457 although the timing worked out. I should have known that. 00:14:43.997 --> 00:14:49.377 Yeah, I had no clue. I'm sure he offered that up in the phone conversation, right? Yeah. 00:14:50.557 --> 00:14:56.997 Exactly. Yeah. So this is just shy of 10 minutes, a quick chat with Captain 00:14:56.997 --> 00:14:58.617 Williams. Let's go ahead and play that. 00:14:59.518 --> 00:15:02.538 First of all, thank you so much for joining us today. 00:15:02.778 --> 00:15:06.258 What I'd like to do first off is say thank you, Captain Williams, 00:15:06.378 --> 00:15:07.838 for giving us a few minutes of your time. 00:15:08.078 --> 00:15:10.918 We're featuring your story this week and our listeners hold you in enormous 00:15:10.918 --> 00:15:14.418 respect from the show you joined us on almost three years ago now. 00:15:14.738 --> 00:15:19.638 Not only for that day in the North Pacific, but for the leader you were across a full career. 00:15:19.938 --> 00:15:24.358 So I'd love to keep this tight and brief as you get ready to fly to Washington, D.C. 00:15:24.738 --> 00:15:28.018 Tomorrow and talk about how the day started, what leadership you live by and 00:15:28.018 --> 00:15:29.418 what you'd like to pass along now. 00:15:29.518 --> 00:15:34.758 So can you take me to the moment that day in 1952, November of 52, 00:15:34.798 --> 00:15:38.998 when you realized this wasn't going to be a quick look and a turn back or that 00:15:38.998 --> 00:15:43.938 wasn't just another sighting of enemy planes passing by, that it was going to be a real fight? 00:15:44.098 --> 00:15:47.158 Can you tell me what you saw or heard or felt that when you realized, 00:15:47.318 --> 00:15:49.518 oh, this is going to be a fight, not a flyby? 00:15:50.518 --> 00:15:57.258 Well, things developed. But I knew there were enemy airplanes high above me 00:15:57.258 --> 00:16:01.638 and going back north, and I assumed to land. 00:16:01.998 --> 00:16:06.958 They broke into two groups and dove out of the contrail level, 00:16:07.018 --> 00:16:11.238 and that was my assumption about to land. 00:16:11.498 --> 00:16:19.478 But I was to turn around and establish a barricade between the last lady and the task force. 00:16:19.478 --> 00:16:25.418 And in that turn, here comes the four that dove off to the right, 00:16:25.718 --> 00:16:32.258 heading right at me at my 10 o'clock position, all shooting. 00:16:33.138 --> 00:16:38.078 Of course, this was a most unexpected surprise. 00:16:39.338 --> 00:16:43.678 I don't know, just intuition or something broke in. 00:16:44.578 --> 00:16:49.218 I had already prepared my airplane to fight with the guns ready, 00:16:49.498 --> 00:16:58.938 and I turned immediately and ended up on the tail end airplane and shot him down. 00:17:00.022 --> 00:17:07.162 Nothing planned. All reaction. Nothing getting me terribly excited or anything. 00:17:07.342 --> 00:17:11.462 I was on automatic, I guess, and calm about the whole thing. 00:17:12.622 --> 00:17:15.522 Nice. So you didn't get nervous until after the fight was over then? 00:17:15.662 --> 00:17:16.902 Or did you get nervous at all? 00:17:18.382 --> 00:17:25.062 Not really. I think a little adrenaline kicked in after I was back on the ship 00:17:25.062 --> 00:17:29.562 and out of fire there, back to my room. 00:17:30.302 --> 00:17:34.082 Sure. Oh, I can only begin to imagine. 00:17:34.562 --> 00:17:38.222 Well, I really can't. I've never been even close to what you faced that day. 00:17:38.382 --> 00:17:41.462 So, your wingman followed the first guy down that you shot. 00:17:41.622 --> 00:17:45.082 The question I forgot to ask the first time when we chatted a few years ago 00:17:45.082 --> 00:17:48.622 was, did he go back and land or did he disappear forever? Was he gone? 00:17:49.402 --> 00:17:55.362 My wingman? Yes, sir. I think he remained in the area, in the clear sky, 00:17:55.842 --> 00:17:59.422 someplace down low around 8,000 feet or something. 00:18:00.102 --> 00:18:07.002 Overall, this action was at 26,000 feet. Right, okay. So you never saw him again for that fight? 00:18:08.182 --> 00:18:16.182 I saw him briefly when I notified him that I was hit, proceeding back and he 00:18:16.182 --> 00:18:19.942 came on up and was behind the, 00:18:20.662 --> 00:18:25.422 MiG that was shooting at me but he never fired a shot. 00:18:25.602 --> 00:18:28.762 I don't think he turned his master armament switch on. 00:18:29.910 --> 00:18:35.450 Frustrating. A little help here would be nice. Oh, man. 00:18:35.890 --> 00:18:41.150 Well, more than that. So you're headed off tomorrow to receive the Medal of Honor. 00:18:41.370 --> 00:18:44.590 And we're so humbled to be even in your presence on the phone here. 00:18:45.490 --> 00:18:49.570 So congratulations on that. I'd like to ask more than about that fight. 00:18:49.750 --> 00:18:53.890 Looking back across your career, what would you say is the one experience that 00:18:53.890 --> 00:18:58.050 most shaped how you led other sailors and Marines over the years. 00:18:58.210 --> 00:19:01.530 And what were your two or three non-negotiables that as a leader, 00:19:01.590 --> 00:19:06.130 your people always knew you'd enforce and hold the, what standards would you hold them to every time? 00:19:07.828 --> 00:19:12.168 Oh, my. What a complicated question. Good story. 00:19:14.248 --> 00:19:18.008 Wow. I don't think I can unscramble all that. 00:19:18.888 --> 00:19:26.028 From my youth, I was patriotic. I wanted to be a naval aviator. 00:19:26.868 --> 00:19:32.228 The closest I worked at it, I just was scouting. I was the Eagle Scout. 00:19:33.228 --> 00:19:41.848 I don't know, a leader, a busy in all the athletics presented in our school, but sort of a leader. 00:19:42.408 --> 00:19:47.608 It just came natural. Okay. Well, maybe let me ask it this way then. 00:19:47.728 --> 00:19:50.928 So you didn't just fly, but you shaped other people around you as a leader. 00:19:51.088 --> 00:19:54.408 So what would you think would be the most important lesson that you would, 00:19:54.588 --> 00:19:58.988 or advice you would give to a young lieutenant today about judgment under pressure 00:19:58.988 --> 00:20:02.228 or how to be aggressive and smart and how to take care of the people around them. 00:20:02.508 --> 00:20:07.088 Do you have any advice for a new lieutenant coming into aviation today? 00:20:08.108 --> 00:20:11.528 I think you're shaped a lot as you grow up. 00:20:11.988 --> 00:20:19.548 I had, I think, high principles. When I went into the Navy, I went in with a 00:20:19.548 --> 00:20:22.508 purpose to do my best to perform. 00:20:23.448 --> 00:20:31.488 I didn't mess around. I stuck to duty and I tried to turn out a good performance. 00:20:31.808 --> 00:20:38.768 Nice. And I think that was probably the best was just demonstrations, leadership. 00:20:39.268 --> 00:20:40.528 So lead by example? Yeah. 00:20:41.586 --> 00:20:47.166 Yeah. Yeah. Who would you say was the most formative person in your life then 00:20:47.166 --> 00:20:51.366 that helped grow that sense in you? Was it your parents or a scout leader or somebody? 00:20:52.386 --> 00:21:00.086 All my parents. Okay. Definitely. My dad was a World War I vet, very principal. 00:21:00.526 --> 00:21:05.446 There was no drinking, heavy partying. 00:21:05.866 --> 00:21:09.166 Church was a major aspect. 00:21:09.886 --> 00:21:16.406 Okay. I did a lot in Sunday school. As such, I even had conversations with some 00:21:16.406 --> 00:21:19.586 of my classmates about religion. 00:21:20.806 --> 00:21:25.766 Okay. Nice. So let me ask briefly then, what did your dad do in World War I? 00:21:27.186 --> 00:21:31.886 He was a machine gunner. Okay. So he was in the thick of it. 00:21:32.786 --> 00:21:37.986 Oh, he was in every battle Americans fought, but he was in the thick of it. 00:21:38.966 --> 00:21:42.746 Well, it's wonderful. Wonderful he came back, and thanks for his service as well. 00:21:42.946 --> 00:21:47.486 I mean, the carnage in that war is just breathtaking and overwhelming. 00:21:48.146 --> 00:21:51.446 Well, let me ask this then. You're heading tomorrow to Washington, 00:21:51.586 --> 00:21:53.066 D.C. to receive the Medal of Honor. 00:21:53.226 --> 00:21:57.446 Can you tell me who it is you'd be thinking about as that's pinned on and what 00:21:57.446 --> 00:22:00.846 you hope this moment says about service to the country? 00:22:01.426 --> 00:22:04.806 Service to the country is independent of the Medal of Honor. 00:22:04.806 --> 00:22:08.666 It just happened rarely in circumstances. 00:22:10.466 --> 00:22:16.066 The country, this country, we all, as individuals, citizens, 00:22:16.486 --> 00:22:24.886 a whole lot. It is the provider, education, opportunity, and safety to that. 00:22:25.426 --> 00:22:29.406 It shouldn't become free. Somebody's got to sacrifice for it, 00:22:29.426 --> 00:22:32.286 and we should be happy for that. 00:22:33.385 --> 00:22:37.565 Oh, indeed. I couldn't say it better myself. It's part of the eternal vigilance 00:22:37.565 --> 00:22:39.625 that I think it was Jefferson spoke about. 00:22:40.045 --> 00:22:42.905 Well, sir, I don't want to take any more of your time. We definitely want to 00:22:42.905 --> 00:22:45.245 invite you back after you get back from Washington, D.C. 00:22:45.365 --> 00:22:48.665 And talk more just about aviation, about flying and fighting, 00:22:48.725 --> 00:22:50.925 because we know you fought both in Korea and Vietnam. 00:22:51.305 --> 00:22:55.045 And we'd love to hear more about all of that. So I'd just like to close by saying. 00:22:55.865 --> 00:23:01.605 In World War II, I didn't get in combat, but I was in about as long as anybody. 00:23:01.605 --> 00:23:06.345 But I went in at the very beginning, I think, February of 42. 00:23:07.085 --> 00:23:11.245 Okay. Right. Right. You enlisted in the Army, as I recall, then. 00:23:12.205 --> 00:23:16.365 Yes. Yeah, I started in the Army. Right. Oh, fantastic. 00:23:16.705 --> 00:23:19.445 Indeed, that's true. You're a World War II vet as well. So, wow. 00:23:19.785 --> 00:23:23.305 Humble. And I think, I believe, you're our only World War II vet ever on the 00:23:23.305 --> 00:23:26.445 show. We've had a couple of Korean War vets and several Vietnam War vets. 00:23:26.585 --> 00:23:30.365 So, thank you. Yeah, because, if I may mention, you're a couple months away 00:23:30.365 --> 00:23:31.525 from your 101st birthday. 00:23:32.245 --> 00:23:35.265 That's true. For April. Wow. 00:23:36.865 --> 00:23:42.505 Well, congratulations on that. And, Captain, congratulations on this long, long overdue honor. 00:23:42.985 --> 00:23:46.665 Thank you for what you did and for the example of leadership and character that 00:23:46.665 --> 00:23:52.065 you've set for generations. If people only have the wisdom to look to you for 00:23:52.065 --> 00:23:53.845 the example, this country will continue 00:23:53.845 --> 00:23:57.245 to be a better place and a shining example for the world to follow. 00:23:57.605 --> 00:24:01.685 Thank you. Well, I hope that's true. I appreciate your saying so, 00:24:02.661 --> 00:24:07.061 I cannot convey to you how much we are humbled just by your mere presence over 00:24:07.061 --> 00:24:08.441 the airwaves to chat with us. 00:24:08.781 --> 00:24:14.841 What a privilege it was to chat with that gent. An Eagle Scout, no less. Of course. 00:24:15.401 --> 00:24:19.201 Right? Yeah. How could he not be? Yeah. Wow. 00:24:20.721 --> 00:24:26.401 You know, what's interesting, and I also sort of throw back to Chemo on something 00:24:26.401 --> 00:24:31.721 that he had talked about where he had referenced, you know, Richter von, 00:24:32.001 --> 00:24:33.161 I'm trying to remember his, 00:24:33.781 --> 00:24:39.401 anyways, the, you know, the quote about, it's not the, the quality of the box 00:24:39.401 --> 00:24:40.941 matters little. Von Richthofen. 00:24:41.381 --> 00:24:45.541 Yes, Manfred von Richthofen, there we go. Quality of the box matters little, 00:24:45.761 --> 00:24:48.401 success depends upon the man who sits in it. 00:24:48.401 --> 00:24:54.641 And, you know, I think nothing could be more reflective of that and proving 00:24:54.641 --> 00:24:56.981 of that than than this whole event right here. 00:24:57.181 --> 00:25:01.841 I mean, he was outgunned, outmanned and could have been outmaneuvered. 00:25:01.961 --> 00:25:07.501 But I think through perseverance and diligence, you know, came through on the other side. 00:25:11.541 --> 00:25:16.101 And that was his second sortie of the day, if you recall. Yeah, that was. 00:25:16.421 --> 00:25:20.821 The other day, he went north and bombed bridges on the Yalu River. 00:25:21.381 --> 00:25:26.921 That's why the task force was so far north. That's why the Soviets came to get them. 00:25:29.299 --> 00:25:35.039 I think you're right. Yep. Now, something I noticed about that picture or, 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:39.939 you know, the footage of him actually, you know, when they were putting it on 00:25:39.939 --> 00:25:42.319 him at the ceremony last night. Two sets of wings. 00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:48.599 He had NFO wings at the bottom. Yeah. And I don't know from his history when 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:51.259 that took place. Do you guys recall? 00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:59.059 So clearly he was a pilot first because in the earlier shots you see only the aviator wings, 00:25:59.059 --> 00:26:05.239 but he does have nfo wings i can only assume it was at a later time that he 00:26:05.239 --> 00:26:09.199 picked up that call somehow during you know one of his command tours or something 00:26:09.199 --> 00:26:10.979 because remember he was an instructor at, 00:26:11.539 --> 00:26:17.519 air force fighter weapons yeah yeah among other things so you know i've never 00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:20.979 seen any i've seen it go the other way i've seen someone be an nfo first and 00:26:20.979 --> 00:26:22.939 then go right aviator right. 00:26:24.771 --> 00:26:29.511 Well, you know what sticks out to me the most about that initial interview we had with him? 00:26:29.671 --> 00:26:33.231 I can't believe it was almost three years ago, but yeah, almost three years ago it was. 00:26:34.191 --> 00:26:43.331 How after we talked about the dogfight in Korea, how he just nonchalantly later 00:26:43.331 --> 00:26:46.651 talked about the F-4 on fire story. 00:26:47.591 --> 00:26:50.591 And actually bringing the airplane back with 00:26:50.591 --> 00:26:53.991 both engines on fire after the nfo his 00:26:53.991 --> 00:27:01.631 rio backseater ejected and they had a completely intact f4 now and it figured 00:27:01.631 --> 00:27:07.711 out why they were losing f4s yeah i mean at one point he said he was in burner 00:27:07.711 --> 00:27:10.911 to keep the thing flying and he brought it back, 00:27:11.651 --> 00:27:20.051 what and that was he talked he talked like that like it was a Tuesday he called it interesting exactly, 00:27:20.611 --> 00:27:28.151 yeah it was a little event you know never mind his backseater bailed out and 00:27:28.151 --> 00:27:30.491 he was on fire when he came back yeah. 00:27:32.216 --> 00:27:34.976 And then his favorite airplane, he had two. 00:27:35.936 --> 00:27:43.136 Yeah. Yeah. It was the Phantom for fighting and the A4 for fun. For fun. Wow. 00:27:44.636 --> 00:27:49.776 My rifle's for fighting. My gun is for fun. Oh. What a man. I meant to. And so. 00:27:51.416 --> 00:27:54.456 He's our second. So we've had two World War II. 00:27:54.896 --> 00:28:00.576 That's right. Rosie. Rosie. Rosie, the. Our nose gunner. Our nose gunner. Yeah. 00:28:01.096 --> 00:28:05.456 And I didn't realize this from the first interview, that he was a World War 00:28:05.456 --> 00:28:08.676 II veteran. I did not remember that until today. 00:28:10.596 --> 00:28:14.496 I heard it, and I had forgotten it, because he had enlisted in the Army, 00:28:14.796 --> 00:28:19.056 in the Army Air Corps and all that, but he wanted to go into the NAVCAD program, 00:28:19.136 --> 00:28:21.476 and that's how he got Navy. 00:28:21.896 --> 00:28:26.236 Yeah, I'll tell you what, those World War II vets, they really earned the moniker, 00:28:26.456 --> 00:28:31.996 the Greatest Generation. Do you remember episode 95 with Rosie, 00:28:32.616 --> 00:28:33.976 what the title of that show was? 00:28:38.022 --> 00:28:41.462 I could hear the shrapnel hitting the sides of the plane yeah yep that's right 00:28:41.462 --> 00:28:46.762 that is freaking insane because i think the question was did did you hear the 00:28:46.762 --> 00:28:50.562 flack could you hear the flat no but i could hear the shrapnel hit. 00:28:53.582 --> 00:28:58.742 But he at least had plenty of plexiglass between him and the oh yeah liquid 00:28:58.742 --> 00:29:05.382 hot metal that was in this much in this much aluminum right right Probably an 00:29:05.382 --> 00:29:06.862 eighth of an inch of aluminum. Yeah. 00:29:07.842 --> 00:29:11.502 Oh, man. Crazy stuff. These men. These men. 00:29:11.862 --> 00:29:16.042 Just living American history. That's who those gentlemen are at this point. 00:29:16.702 --> 00:29:23.922 Exactly. 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I think it's so much more poignant, you know, given that he's here to 00:32:33.935 --> 00:32:36.515 be able to speak to it and appreciate it. 00:32:36.775 --> 00:32:42.375 And the fact that, you know, he's so, honestly, he is so humble about it. 00:32:42.895 --> 00:32:47.315 You know, and it's and I think any any time you've ever talked to anybody who's 00:32:47.315 --> 00:32:51.795 been awarded the Medal of Honor, you know, that is a common thread that that 00:32:51.795 --> 00:32:53.075 runs through all of them. 00:32:53.255 --> 00:32:56.775 You know, it's not about them and they don't even want to accept it half the time. 00:32:56.935 --> 00:33:01.055 They, you know, they almost say, well, I'll accept it, but I'm accepting it 00:33:01.055 --> 00:33:05.155 on behalf of everybody who was part of that. And that's spot on. 00:33:05.395 --> 00:33:10.835 And I think he's you know, he embodies that, you know, it's never mind the fact 00:33:10.835 --> 00:33:12.635 that it's just an astounding accomplishment. 00:33:12.735 --> 00:33:17.815 Of a aviation and and granted i've never been in a dog fight but to you know 00:33:17.815 --> 00:33:23.095 do all these as a face shot i think is also mind-boggling you know especially 00:33:23.095 --> 00:33:28.315 since it was lead it wasn't even like like a sparrow missile yeah that's the 00:33:28.315 --> 00:33:29.975 first rule you always shoot head-to-head right, 00:33:31.175 --> 00:33:38.415 no yeah go with that yeah and that yeah that's something that's saying something, 00:33:39.215 --> 00:33:44.235 you know and only 100 hours in the aircraft on top of that i mean how do you 00:33:44.235 --> 00:33:50.755 first you quantify that type of uh caliber of aviator you know first his first dogfight. 00:33:52.976 --> 00:33:55.796 So and that he's lucid enough 00:33:55.796 --> 00:34:00.236 to appreciate it too that's the other thing not only is he still alive but he's 00:34:00.236 --> 00:34:05.956 lucid he understands what it means oh my gosh you know the dude is sharp he's 00:34:05.956 --> 00:34:10.376 still sharp i'm looking forward to having him back just to chat airplanes yeah 00:34:10.376 --> 00:34:13.816 yeah i mean we got his like essentially his whole career left to go, 00:34:15.544 --> 00:34:21.624 right yeah we just covered the first there might be a story or two that we missed. 00:34:24.364 --> 00:34:27.404 Yeah well how it just just 00:34:27.404 --> 00:34:30.124 the f4 on fire story just kind of came 00:34:30.124 --> 00:34:32.904 out it was like i think that just popped into a said how many 00:34:32.904 --> 00:34:36.124 more are still in there that's what i want right we got to get those out yep 00:34:36.124 --> 00:34:39.264 yep but the other thing that i'll throw out there in 00:34:39.264 --> 00:34:42.384 and this will be just as a as a salute 00:34:42.384 --> 00:34:45.084 to you and to repeat and fig who started this whole 00:34:45.084 --> 00:34:48.424 thing you know but we've managed and 00:34:48.424 --> 00:34:51.544 you guys have managed to to document record and bring 00:34:51.544 --> 00:34:54.464 to the forefront some amazing stories of naval 00:34:54.464 --> 00:34:57.504 aviation and aviation in general and so 00:34:57.504 --> 00:35:01.064 i know you know somebody who's been a listener and now 00:35:01.064 --> 00:35:04.344 part of the team i appreciate it and and the 00:35:04.344 --> 00:35:07.464 fact that we've been able to bring this story feature 00:35:07.464 --> 00:35:13.044 it even had it before you know get recognized as a as a medal of honor story 00:35:13.044 --> 00:35:18.244 or story you know worthy of that i i think says a lot and so my my hat goes 00:35:18.244 --> 00:35:26.444 off to both you you two knuckleheads for for pulling this off 200 200 episodes of fantastic stories. 00:35:27.884 --> 00:35:31.264 Appreciate it yes well and you 00:35:31.264 --> 00:35:34.384 know we're a team gents and bingo you know 00:35:34.384 --> 00:35:37.124 you you guys you guys have made this 00:35:37.124 --> 00:35:40.824 so easy and uh you know repeat you guys 00:35:40.824 --> 00:35:46.484 you are the you know i i show up and just dock yeah but you got the gift of 00:35:46.484 --> 00:35:49.424 gab so we'll we'll give you that you know and there's you're all the king of 00:35:49.424 --> 00:35:55.404 colisans so we'll slide yeah end of that yeah so we got to change that We got 00:35:55.404 --> 00:35:57.144 to get you working behind the scenes, Vic. 00:35:57.624 --> 00:36:02.324 Speaking of behind the scenes, though, I have reached out to one person who 00:36:02.324 --> 00:36:09.584 knows people who know him, but if anybody listening happens to know, CWO5, Eric Slover. 00:36:10.656 --> 00:36:16.696 He was also awarded the Blue Max last night, and we would love to have a chat with that gent. 00:36:16.856 --> 00:36:23.056 If he would be honored to join us, we would be humbly honored to have him join us. 00:36:23.176 --> 00:36:27.476 And one other thing I will throw out, so like I said, I think we're going to 00:36:27.476 --> 00:36:31.776 work on trying to get Captain Williams back on board for one more episode at least. 00:36:31.776 --> 00:36:37.536 But if anybody wanted to then record on their own a brief message for him, 00:36:37.816 --> 00:36:41.376 we'll be more than willing to, if you can make it as good a quality as possible, 00:36:41.376 --> 00:36:45.396 we can record that and include it in that podcast. 00:36:45.676 --> 00:36:48.956 That'd be a great idea, just if nothing else, to send to him. 00:36:49.276 --> 00:36:52.796 So that'd be a lot of fun. Yeah, absolutely. So if anybody wants to pass that 00:36:52.796 --> 00:36:55.216 along to us, we're more than happy to share that with him. 00:36:55.476 --> 00:36:59.316 And it's something that I think is well-earned. I think it'd be great if we 00:36:59.316 --> 00:37:07.676 could get, you know, heater and nasty and maybe even mooch to sort of pass along, you know, a message. 00:37:08.656 --> 00:37:11.856 I know what you're saying. Let's don't try and obligate them. Yeah, no. 00:37:12.096 --> 00:37:16.896 Okay. You know, but something to that effect, you know, I think it'd be great. 00:37:16.896 --> 00:37:19.696 We'll reach out to some folks and see what we can come up with. But, yeah. Yeah. 00:37:20.236 --> 00:37:22.756 I don't know. I think it's probably time we land the airplane unless any of 00:37:22.756 --> 00:37:25.176 you guys got any other things that need to cover before. Yeah. 00:37:25.416 --> 00:37:28.376 I got a couple more fun facts for you guys. oh yeah 00:37:28.376 --> 00:37:32.476 please send him so he's 00:37:32.476 --> 00:37:39.876 the only american to have four kills in a single jet-based dogfight only one 00:37:39.876 --> 00:37:46.936 city war and then that his dogfight was actually somehow surprisingly the only 00:37:46.936 --> 00:37:51.036 naval dogfight over water during the korean war. 00:37:53.633 --> 00:38:01.113 How about that? I don't know how. And then he also had 263 holes were found 00:38:01.113 --> 00:38:07.713 in his aircraft with a one-foot gash, which is that one there. 00:38:09.113 --> 00:38:15.613 Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Well, so the MiG was armed with a cannon as well that was 00:38:15.613 --> 00:38:22.873 on a 33-34 millimeter cannon that I'm sure he unfortunately probably took a round or two from. 00:38:23.633 --> 00:38:27.593 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was flying back with no hydraulics, no electronics. 00:38:28.193 --> 00:38:32.213 And not only that, well, actually, there were two cannons on each aircraft, 00:38:32.213 --> 00:38:35.713 so that's 14 cannons he was up against. Yep. 00:38:36.353 --> 00:38:40.073 When he had it all up. And they were throwing lead. They were throwing a lot of lead at him. 00:38:40.593 --> 00:38:45.373 Yeah. And he came out unscathed, body-wise. 00:38:47.333 --> 00:38:53.193 Yeah, physiologically. Literally, he walked away from it unscathed, unscarred, uncut. 00:38:53.953 --> 00:38:58.593 And then to put the plane back on the deck of the carrier with no hydraulics. 00:38:59.253 --> 00:39:02.333 And he called it a three-wire. It wasn't even a three-wire. 00:39:03.253 --> 00:39:05.333 He had an okay underlying three-wire. Yeah. 00:39:06.353 --> 00:39:09.233 Why would he? Yeah, right. 00:39:10.193 --> 00:39:14.353 There you go. I hate to see the LSO who had the stones not to give him an okay 00:39:14.353 --> 00:39:16.313 three-wire for that. All right. 00:39:16.953 --> 00:39:23.213 Wow. Well, we owe a deep debt of gratitude to Captain Williams, 00:39:23.693 --> 00:39:28.553 Eric Slover, and all who have served and sacrificed and put others above self. 00:39:28.773 --> 00:39:36.093 So thank you to all our active duty, our veterans, first responders, and their families. 00:39:36.933 --> 00:39:39.133 We're deeply in debt to them. 00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:47.740 Anyone else? How about a big thanks to Backbeat Media. Right. 00:39:48.820 --> 00:39:52.920 Yeah. Dave Hamilton. Dave Hamilton, right? 00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:58.660 Give us the bandwidth to do this. The bandwidth, the know-how, and the support. 00:39:59.940 --> 00:40:03.380 Big shout-out to Dave Hamilton and Backbeat Media. Absolutely. 00:40:03.900 --> 00:40:09.480 And, of course, our sponsor, Derek, over at DCArtWorks.net. 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I was that us slash Patreon. 00:40:38.160 --> 00:40:42.160 And there's also, if you go to, so there I was that us slash donate. 00:40:43.020 --> 00:40:47.640 You can directly donate to us through DonorBox. 00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:52.020 And if you're giving multiple times over a course of months or years, 00:40:52.200 --> 00:40:54.160 then we are deeply humbled by that. 00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:58.760 And that works well. But there's also Venmo. So Venmo doesn't do a recurring 00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:02.180 donation that we're aware of, but they do give us a larger cut. 00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:06.540 They take much less of your money for themselves when you're trying to support us. 00:41:06.640 --> 00:41:13.220 So if you go to sodarowas.us slash donate, we'll have Venmo also available as an option. for you. 00:41:14.879 --> 00:41:19.679 Any other favors anyone could do for us? We need a five-star rating. 00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:25.259 And if you can't give us a five-star, then let us know. We're trainable. 00:41:26.759 --> 00:41:31.399 We'll make additions, edits, corrections, but we'll get it to five stars. 00:41:31.659 --> 00:41:34.539 Give that less than five-star rating to somebody else's podcast, 00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.639 for crying out loud. And then come tell us what we can do to fix it. 00:41:38.019 --> 00:41:42.419 Yeah. Like Stick says, we're trainable. We're trainable. We also got to give 00:41:42.419 --> 00:41:48.139 Brad Silcott, BDS Aviation Photography, a huge shout-out. Badass. 00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:53.239 Thank you, badass. Is it giving us some killer shots, or in the Soviets' case, 00:41:53.419 --> 00:41:56.439 not-so-killer shots, of some MiG-15s? Yeah. 00:41:58.423 --> 00:42:01.263 It was Royce gave the killer shots this week's show. 00:42:03.063 --> 00:42:05.983 Good dad joke. Yes, sir. 00:42:07.183 --> 00:42:10.843 Hey, and, you know, we'd normally say thanks to Sticks and Bago for being in 00:42:10.843 --> 00:42:13.483 the background, but they're out front today, so thank you, gentlemen. 00:42:14.943 --> 00:42:20.983 Yeah, we're dug ourselves out of the trenches tonight. Anything for Captain Royce Williams. 00:42:22.383 --> 00:42:26.903 Oh, yeah. Yes, sir. Oh, and then we got a merch store. 00:42:27.823 --> 00:42:35.243 Oh, so I'm happen to be down in Florida where it's beginning to be bikini season. 00:42:35.243 --> 00:42:40.263 As you can see, if you're watching live, there's at least six of you out there. 00:42:40.523 --> 00:42:43.703 We do have a so there I was bikini right now. 00:42:44.523 --> 00:42:46.623 So there I was merch. 00:42:47.603 --> 00:42:50.723 Yeah, I think you are code in a very conspicuous location. 00:42:53.603 --> 00:42:56.263 On time, on target. Yeah, right. Yeah. 00:42:57.323 --> 00:43:01.543 And then lastly, I'm hearing some noise in the background. 00:43:02.503 --> 00:43:10.103 Yes, sir. I think that is the wonderful beat of the two Air Force F-16 pilots 00:43:10.103 --> 00:43:14.283 that make the Air Force sound good. The Dos Gringos. 00:43:15.063 --> 00:43:21.623 They do indeed. They let us use their music. They are magnificent artists. 00:43:22.343 --> 00:43:27.603 From what I understand, they weren't half bad F-16 pilots, and they were true patriots. 00:43:27.743 --> 00:43:30.643 We had them on the show twice. They're just awesome. 00:43:30.923 --> 00:43:33.043 And their music is fantastic. If you're having a bad day. 00:43:34.684 --> 00:43:40.184 Oh, yes, and they distill spirits. Winglor spirits, W-I-N-G-L-O-R-E. 00:43:41.304 --> 00:43:47.544 Good stuff. I had it over chemos. I can say it is outstanding. 00:43:48.404 --> 00:43:50.464 Primo stuff. Yes, sir. 00:43:52.104 --> 00:43:55.784 A chemo may or may not be an investor, and I'm not saying it because he's that. 00:43:55.884 --> 00:43:57.444 I said it because it is very fine. 00:43:57.564 --> 00:44:00.384 It is worth a try. Bingo. 00:44:01.104 --> 00:44:04.564 Bingo. All right. Don't get your bottle to bingo. 00:44:05.564 --> 00:44:09.764 Go get some more. Alright, time for us to beat on out of here. 00:44:10.164 --> 00:44:15.004 Until next week everybody, thanks for joining us. Stay safe and check six. 00:44:50.342 --> 00:44:57.222 Hold on. Beggar, what did he say? He said it's over. Now I have to face stupid reality again. 00:44:59.002 --> 00:45:00.662 And we're out.